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Ok so this frans shipper told me her reasons for shipping frans and while reading this I couldn't help but groan.
Ok so here

Reason 1:
A lot of frans shippers view frisk as themself, which people really need to stop doing. Frisk is there own character no matter what you say, even though Toby Fox did say that you can interpret Frisk how you want, it still doesnt make them you, you are not a video game character, you are a person. Frisk is their own person, with their own pronouns, gender, age, and etc.
Frisk is non-binary, meaning they are both male and female, meaning they use pronouns like they/them, Toby also stated in the game (through monster kid) that every character in the game that wears a striped shirt, yes that was a hint. Monster kid himself says "Your a kid too right? I can tell because youre wearing a striped shirt!" yea, that wasnt a joke or anything, thats a statement telling you that all monsters with striped shirts are children, Frisk, Chara, Asriel, Monster Kid, The bunny kid in snowdin, and probably more. I even gave my own oc a striped shirt originally, but now that im a teenager, i changed it to something else. Anyways as you can see, Sans is NOT wearing a striped shirt, or a striped jacket, Sans is not a kid, besides he has two jobs, and (I think this is canon) he use to work in a lab, considering the backstory and proof we have including the lab under his house, meaning hes atleast 18-21, and i dont know about you but I think its weird to see a 12 year old (or whatever age) dating an 18 year old, or a 19 year old, or anything above that, its gross, its illegal, its pedophilia meaning frisk is most likely under the age of consent.

Reason 2:
This isnt canon but I see much proof to it, yes, I am one of those people who believe that Chara is not the reason behind the genocide, yes, technically you are, but sans (I think) doesnt know a player is controlling Frisk, so he thinks Frisk is doing this genocide.
Why do I believe this? As Chara said "When I woke up, i was so confused, but then you showed me what to do" or something along the lines of that, meaning YOU showed chara how to kill, Chara didnt start that genocide, you did, and as i said before, you are not frisk, but you are controlling them, which none of the game characters know. (except maybe chara) Anyways, you (controlling frisk) started the genocide, chara just helped, and considering the game, sans knows that frisk did genocide, and do you really think sans would date anyone who murdered his friends, murdered the king, murdered him. Sans probably doesnt even want to be friends with you after that.

Reason 3:
As Toby Fox stated here - Thank You Toby by xskiball Sans is too lazy to even do anything with anyone, relationship wise. He doesnt want to kiss frisk, or fuck frisk, or do anything like that with Frisk, besides sans would seem more like a brother or an uncle to Frisk dont you think, they most likely wouldnt want to date him, and trust me ok I do ship sans with toriel but im not crazy about it, I respect people if they dont like it, i dont even ship it that much anymore, but i dont mind that its there, its not bad, and it actually makes some sort of fucking sense?? I honestly dont ship it too much anymore its more of just a side ship? anyways you get what im saying here, please stop shipping frans, it makes no sense, its pedophilia, and its really, really gross

Reason 4?:
This isnt really a reason but its more of a reason i hate frans shippers in general, despite their ship choice. If I see frans art, I get grossed out, its legit disgusting to me, and then its stuck in my head forever, and then i comment telling them why the picture is wrong, and they usually say something like (depending on maturity levels) some of them say shit like "your so mean :'(" and yes, ive seen that before, no joke, or they are actually in some levels, "mature" and they say shit like "why dont you just click away" oh i dont know why dont i just click away from an illegal picture of pedophilia right infront of my fucking eyes, yeah if i see some girl getting raped in an alley way, is the guy gonna tell me to just walk away and let it happen and do you think im just gonna fucking walk away? no you fucking dumbass, naturally I would call the police but no you just want me to fucking cLICK AWAY RIGHT?? WRONG.
Frans shippers are doing illegal shit, and if i could, I would get you arrested and to the police, too bad I cant, but oh god i wish i could, because you fuckers really dont deserve to be on deviantart drawing your disgusting pedo art. PLEASE FUCKING STOP.

*breathes* Thank you for your time.
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downrawr Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Also in the kickstarter it says you play as a fallen child.
xskiball Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Was-Catkatdog Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
*read comments*
No one is gonna mention the 
"you'd be ded where u stand kiddo ololololol."
xskiball Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah that too, Sans was going to kill frisk if it wasnt for Toriel, which is another reason i hate this shipping, but i just forgot to add it in
CottonCandyCookies Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry but there are maaaajjjjorrrr flaws in your reasoning
first of all? what is your proof of their gender
or them being nonbianary
its left up to peoples interpretation
second of allll
temmie wears a stripped shirt
its a KID, monster kid who says all kids wear stripped shirts
and frisk is, if you havent noticeeedd~
Second of all, toriel is very motherly and her calling frisk my child is just because of that
same with sans calling frisk kid
it does not define FRISKS AGE
FRISK is literally just left up to interpretation so people can imagine them how they want and them as frisk
similar with sans
depending where you live, you can be 14-16 to get a job!
heck all the lab stuff doesn't say anything solid its up to your interpretation
it is not pedophillia
for the last darn time
and that's just what is wrong with reason ONE
reason two~
Chara is not the reason behind genocide yes that is true.
Chara was influenced by the player, it is a video game and sans is not aware of frisk being controlled by a player (only as far as resets)
he thinks frisk is doing genocide
you choose to do genocide, but that changes from player to player
not everyone does genocide man
what about people who just do pure pacifist route
frans art usually takes place in a route with no genocide or neutral otherwise it wouldn't make sense
reason three
yeah yeah ok
but romance doesnt go purely off of that kind of stuff
most good frans art i've seen is the non extremely intimate kind of romance
sans seems more like a brother or an uncle to frisk? that really is your interpretation of the relationship as we don't see enough of it - or have statements from charachter
if you have such respect for people who don't ship it
why cant you open your eyes and hear peoples reasoning
instead of screaming PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE
do the same and listen
the ship makes sense to you yeah and so does frans to some people
it is not pedophillia
yeah and whisperseas
they were very mature
along with their friends
about it
they tried to explain why it was not pedophillia
but you are so sure it is
and most frans includes frisk looking the age they should!
Depending on gender frisk will look like an adult male or female or genderfluid nonbianary whaTEVER!
it is not illegal, shut up
and i know you probably won't read this entire thing
so let me sum it up
we have kindly tried to explain it to you
*drops mic*
Star-D Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Frisk is 8-12 years old confirmed by Toby Fox
CottonCandyCookies Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
1 wow this is an old comment and you replied lol
2 I'll peacefully respect that's true if you provide me with solid proof
I mean links
Screenshots can be faked
Otherwise 🤷‍♀️
Star-D Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I guess I do reply to old comments xD

I forgot where he confirmed it (this does not mean he didn't)

So Frisk is confirmed to be 8 - 12 years old

In timelines your basically trying to change their personalities to ship them like in Echotale, Toby did say once that he doesn't really like the thought of AUS, if AUs where never a thing then Frans wouldn't either, honestly in most AUs they're ruining the characters personalities, Sans is not meant to be romantic and Frisk is meant to be silent. 
CottonCandyCookies Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
hmmm i'll be calm and not argue back or give opposing reasonings, mostly because i dont really like undertale anymore or care
but know i mean no offense when i say im not gonna completely beleive you unless you got solid proof on age
Star-D Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Evidence by StarDancer23         Toby Fox by StarDancer23       More by StarDancer23  here it means that he still confirmed their ages he deleted the tweets    Some by StarDancer23  there is that enough?    
CottonCandyCookies Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
i said i was done talking about this and i don't care abt this,,, not to be rude
Star-D Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh sorry ;-; didn't read the comment
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SketchyGarden Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Reason One:
If Toby Fox stated Frisk was meant to be so basic that people could place themselves in the character- then it's true.
If you disregard his words here, then your Reason Three is obsolete.
May I point out that Temmie wears a striped shirt? She's old enough to go to college. She could be over 19 years old- is that old enough for you to date someone? Correct. It is. She could love anyone she should so choose.
Also, you're trusting Monster Kid? Monster Kid. He's so delusional and he barely understands that you're evil in Genocide. I'd take his words with a grain of salt. 
Sans has 2 jobs? You can get a job at the age of 16- even 15, but 16 mostly because you can actually drive.
AND- not to mention, if people are fretting over the age of a completely blank character, people will age up Frisk.
A 'child' does not have breasts or curves(that takes much more maturity). 
They're also not too tall unless they've got above average jeans- and even then, they still have this weird looking baby-face.

Reason Two: 
I agree with you on this. I really do not think Chara's the evil one! 
We showed them what to do- we started all of this. The ending is them telling us we are not without consequence.
In canon though, Sans doesn't remember old RESETs or anything like that. He and his lab buddies just found a timeline of starts and stops. That's all they know.
Besides, not everyone does Genocide.

Reason Three: 
Someone getting raped in an alleyway, and someone consenting to a good, laidback relationship are two different things.
Please do not call the cops because a girl and her boyfriend are nuzzling over a milkshake.
I hate PDA, but hey, that's just me, and I'd look away.

And why can't you call the cops and get us arrested?
Cuz they'd look at their rules.
Look at you.
Don't waste your time on things you hate.
Stop hurting others.
THank you <3
HaruNyan101 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just quickly saying nonbinary doesn't mean your both it means your gender just isn't anything, it's outside of the gender binary. I'm nb so just yeah. 

Not trying to start anything but I would just let people ship whatever they want honestly. They're a ton of ships out there that I don't agree with but do I care? No. Do I deliberately be rude to innocent people who express themselves through fictional characters and are having fun doing it? No. Just let them be p, you're not gonna agree with everything in this world so just block who you have to, ignore it, and live in with your life just as they then can too.

Also they probably see the bad things to the ship as well. I remember when my otp was a very problematic ship that got a lot of hate but I knew full well if it was real then I'd know to be worried but this is the fictional world and people know where the line is so I wouldn't be worried. 

I personally don't ship this and tbh I don't even like undertale but just let kids be kids please
xskiball Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh yes i know about how theres so many ships and that i should just leave it alone but do you really think that I would look at a kid and an adult dating eachother in real life and just fucking walk away from it? no, the answer is no, im not gonna "let the kids be kids" because I have met a 23 year old woman who ships frans ok, and she is an adult, she should know better than me, by default i am technically still a kid myself, im only 13 and the fact that I have to be telling adults not to ship pedophilia is sO WRONG.

As I said, I am a kid myself and seeing drawings of a child and an adult is really disgusting to me, maybe its just my age, maybe its my knowledge of how fucked the world is. Its disgusting to me to the point I actually want to start crying because of how disgusting people can be, drawing porn and children with adults and im just so fucking tired of it ok??
HaruNyan101 Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But it's not effecting anyone, just block it 

People know full well it's not okay in real life but have you every stopped and think that maybe it's a coping thing. The ship that I used to love was slammed on for being pedophilic even when it was aged up and you're just like those people. You want to save all those victims who will get triggered when seeing the ship well then mate you're looking at one, the ships have never ever reminded me of those horrible days but you know what makes me shake and vomit from remembering? It's people like you who think they're doing good when really you're the ones who are reminding people like me of the shit days that we'd rather forget so no, you're not doing any good by this. You're literally doing the opposite of what you wanted are you happy now? 

Seeing things about a traumatic experience is calming to others, idk how it works but it does but as soon as someone comes along and tells that person that it's wrong that's when they get scared again so just keep that in mind next time you comment something because I will not let others go through the same fucking shitstorm I did when people slammed and hated me me in the name of protecting people like me okay it fucking sucks and it makes it worse
SketchyGarden Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry you had to go through something like that...
Thank you for sharing, though. ;w;
I hope they'll get the hint...
Flashlighte Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wait it isn't illegal to draw porn right

i mean i only read one paragraph but--
xskiball Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
its not but, in a lot of countries and states its illegal to draw child pornagraphy, or anything having to do with lust between a child and an adult/young adult.
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