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EDIT: Oh! I just noticed! This is my 100th Deviation! xD Wow!

I was going to pick up my copy of Days 358/2 to play some, but then I remembered why I don't like that game. xD

This comic expresses my thoughts about the whole thing. Namine was okay, and it all seemed to fit, but then they had to go back and mess up things further. They also ruined Roxas, and failed to deliver the epic background story I had been expecting for Roxas's abandonment of Org. XIII. But well.

I prefer Birth by Sleep. Vanitas and Ventus are way better than Sora and Roxas.


Just so you know, I don't dislike people that like Xion. I dislike Xion, period.

And I already know Organization XIII didn't change its name.

And I still think Xion is a pretty useless character and a lot more of a Mary Sue than Kairi or Namine ever were.

And I'm still annoyed at that one mission when she was emo-blocked and I had to prance around waving a stick around like an idiot, getting killed while Xion was stuck with a wall three feet away with MY Keyblade.


But I still like Kingdom Hearts <3




Kingdom Hearts belongs to Square Enix & Disney
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Otaku-Senpai-artist Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
About my comment earlier , i thought a little and i disagree with it. I love xion! She does something! Kairi is a damsel in distress! I love her, but she NEEDS to start doing SOMETHING in kh3! Don't get me started on how much i HATE Namine! She wasted what could've been a good game! But my fav kh girl is Aqua! I love her! Nothing much to complain about her in my opinion!

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM YOURS. TRY NOT TO GET BUTTHURT PLEASE!!
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StellarMage99 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2017
I'm glad someone has common sense ^^
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Otaku-Senpai-artist Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is allll true but Xion is still one of my fav kh characters
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StellarMage99 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2016
I think Kairi and Nami are more of Mary Sues' than Xion. Xion doesnt have anything go well with her! Unlike Namine and Kairi. Xion actually does more than Kairi and Namine. Kairi was asleep during most of KH1. In KH2 she is kidnapped and trapped. But no matter how many times that happens she's always saved in the end. Namine can fix her problem and noone is mad at her. Noone even cares about what Nami did. Yet people critsize Xion who did more than these two characters. Im just stating my opinion.
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Otaku-Senpai-artist Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are absolutely right. Namine is one of my most did liked kh characters because she mostly just caused conflict and wasted what could've been a good game lol. I love kairi, but she is a damsel in destress!! She BETTER start fighting and start HELPING for once KH3! She supposed to get a keyblade, so no excuses, kairi lol! At least xion did something! Sorry for rambling.. I just wanted to get my opinion out! 😅😝
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AlphaXXI Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2015  Student General Artist
I dont really get the "solely created by Square Enix" part. I mean, isn't every single KH-exclusive character created solely by SE ? It's not like Disney has had any implication in the games' developments before KH3, other than agreeing to let Square use their intellectual property.
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stevemacqwark Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have HD 1.5 Remix. What should I drink and how much endure Xion?
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FullmetalHeart20 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014
I'm sure it's been said many times, but Xion is supposed to be a deconstruction of a Mary Sue. Almost everyone hates her or treats her indifferently, anyone who knows her true nature thinks she's literally less than a person than Nobodies are, she ends up being erases from everyone's lives in the end (way to ruin that one, DDD), and she learns that to actually fix the story's real hero, she needs to essentially get her best friend to kill her. It's basically what it'd be like if the universe didn't treat a Mary Sue like a Mary Sue.
Of course, I still thought this comic was hilarious. XD
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SamStatic13 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2015  Student Artist
Thank you.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've actually seen the "Xion is supposed to be a deconstruction" argument twice before, and both times I asked, but got no reply on that point -- is there an interview or some other sort of real source claiming that? I'm curious if that was the intent of the authors (though even if it was, I'd say it was poorly executed, mainly because of the lack of focus on story / character development) or just mere speculation / opinion (which doesn't weight much, such as my own she's-a-sue opinion, as they're both subjective).

I'd disagree wholeheartedly on your point of "universe that doesn't treat a Mary Sue like a Mary Sue", because if that was the case, she wouldn't gt such unexplained affection from both Axel and Roxas. Well, at least I didn't think it was properly explored -- I'm still upset they thought they could replace actual character development with a scene of them having ice cream over and over wordlessly! xD Most of my points on Xion's Sue-ness hinge on worldbuilding and how it gets twisted around for her to exist as a messy plot-plaster -- I just don't like it when canon gets ignored THAT much for convenience sake, which is also why I didn't like DDD, or where the series is headed in general. xD It's good for a guilty pleasure, but I think they dropped the ball with Days and could never quite pick it up. Alas, like I said before, it's all opinion. =P

Glad you liked the comic, sorry for the mini walls of text!
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FullmetalHeart20 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014
Believe me, if there's one thing everyone should agree on it's that introducing new characters halfway through a series usually ends badly. I definitely think she could've been the character fans think she is, given enough time. But as for unexplained affection, you kinda run into that everywhere in this series. The main character runs on this. 
But yah, I see your point. I don't think it was so much a bad character as poor planning.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
See, before BBS and 3D, I thought that was a Sora-exclusive thing. He was a friendship junkie, plus he happens to run into all the goodie-two-shoes main characters every time he steps into a new world, so unexplained affection for random strangers fit into his character (there really were few exceptions through the first games). Roxas mistrusted strangers in KHII, Riku was the lonely cool-guy in the background who trusted nobody, even Kairi knew to keep out of trouble when they went out to get her.

So that's why it seemed so jarring to see it in Days with Roxas-Xion-Axel. I sort of wanted some hardcore conflict and friendship-building between Axel and Roxas, understand the drive behind Axel and his desperate quest to get his one true friend back. It was touching without context, and when they tried to use the badly-introduced, not-properly-developed Xion to help explain, it just was... meh? Ok, so Axel just immediately latched on to underage Roxas the moment he steps in, then latches on to Xion when Roxas brings her along, no questions asked, let's all be super best friends. Not only is it kind of disturbing, it made me lose all sympathy for Axel's quest and cheapened his scenes in KHII for me. There was literally nothing of value between him and Roxas -- it was just an obsession that he carried on to Sora for no reason.

Another user I chatted with here exposed the possibility that Axel's obsession wasn't with Roxas, but simply with "having a friend", because his Somebody, Lea, was best friends with Isa (Saix's Somebody). So maybe Axel could remember that on some level, and sought the sort of friendship his Somebody had, but which he couldn't emulate with Saix (so he latches to Roxas because he's someone new and unbiased). I need to desperately cling to this explanation unless otherwise debunked, because then it makes Axel a tragic character instead of a run-of-the-mill psycho who happened to do some good things through his obsessive quest.

But yeah. After a while, I realized KH was never really any good at human interaction or friendship evolution. I could never get over how Donald and Goofy go from Sora's friends to hypocritical soldiers who leave him for Riku at a moment's notice, then back to being his best friends in 0 flat. I also realized they never had to explain how Riku, Sora, and Kairi became friends, they were just the default friends and thus not very questionable (save for flashbacks). Aqua, Terra, and Ventus were the same: they're friends by default, but we get to see very little of their relationship development, they just sort of... are. And that's what KH's biggest fault is, I feel. You look a bit too closely at the character motivation and interaction, and you realize it barely holds by thin strings.

Because move on to 3D, we get to see Riku's interactions more closely than we could in his playthrough of Castle Oblivion, and find out he goes about it the exact same way Sora does: find people, befriend them right away, fix their problems, and done. He speaks less, he shows a bit less of emotion (though loads more than in other games, simply because of screen-time), but his beliefs mimic Sora's quite a bit, and he lacks the intense insecurity and suspicion of others he seemed to possess in other games (because he's good now, and good guys always befriend everyone, specially good guys from other series?). I wanted to see a bit of conflict with his character (which was promised for Terra if you played Ventus and Aqua's storylines first, but fell flat when you went through Terra's), and there was none of it.

The gameplay in all the games is awesome as can be, but yeah. Character interaction isn't their forte, and poor Xion got the brunt of it because she was limited to one game. Maybe it was for the best, though, seeing how things worked out for Axel and Riku.

Also sorry for the huge box of text. I also got a bit out of topic.o _o
Oops.
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FairyDragoon Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love Xion so much, but I wish she was planned before Days. That way, they could have weaved her more into Kingdom Hearts II and stuff and skip the whole everyone forgot her stuff.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think that's her major flaw: she wasn't planned, she was merely created because they felt the characters they had weren't strong enough to hold a story on their own. Which is a huge mistake, because all of Organization XIII still had so much to explore about them, you didn't NEED a new character to take the limelight away from them.

So in the end, she wasn't developed enough to stand as a character, because she was only going to be there for one game, and the rest of the characters were left under-developed (or got their "assumed" development from previous games taken away).

So yeah. I feel Xion wasn't made to be a character, she was made to be a plot device, so that's why she feels so incomplete and "sueish" to me. If they had planned her before and put more thought into her character and her story, they wouldn't have needed the rushed "oh, everyone forgets her because magic" plot-plaster.
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FairyDragoon Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, I agree with some points there. I really hope, Xion, well all the girls, get even larger roles in KHIII. There's no rush or anything so the creators can do a lot for everyone's characters. 
The thing I like about Xion, though, is she's a strong and selfless character, to me. I guess some people find that sueish, since probably she could have shared her plot movingness. :XD:
Manga Xion is better than Game Xion though, lol.
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StellarMage99 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2016
Someone understands.(And yep manga Xion is adorable!>_<)
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FairyDragoon Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm a person who likes to defend under appreciated female characters c:
But ofc i respect the opinions and the points others make as most of them are justified
Ahh yea! This brings back memories! i loved manga Xion so much!
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They should just flat-out take their time with writing and following their own canon. xD Enough with making up new rules every time a game comes out! We went from "being a Keyblade Master is super-special and unique!" in game 1, to "actually, anyone can be a Keyblade Master! Here, let me make everyone and their cousin a Keyblade Master" in Dream Drop Distance.

From the Days game alone, I honestly can't say I saw Xion as selfless or strong. xD She struck me as a very insecure and overpowered girl who was either hated or loved for no particular well-explored reason. But that's where viewer subjectiveness comes in! I can't comment on the manga Xion, though, since I haven't read the KH manga. xD It's WAY likely that she's better developed in the manga, though, since there it's pure character interaction and a few battles, vs. the game's little character interaction in exchange for constant gameplay. So I don't doubt she's better than Game Xion. =P
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FairyDragoon Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is like really late, but I love having discussions about fandoms, haha. It's really fun. And I really want to talk about Manga Xion, because she is so adorable and childish. The way the Days Manga is drawn give so everyone expressions and personality (which is sort of ironic, haha, I'll take it).
One part in the Days manga is that Pluto comes and Xion is so infatuated with him, and wants to keep him. 
I haven't read the Days Manga is a while, so I don't remember other instances, haha.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, wee, having Xion be infatuated with a doggy SHOWS her character, in a way that having her constantly mope around about her existence doesn't. Roxas had some heavy angsting in the intro of Kingdom Hearts two, but 'angsting' doesn't make a character, and Roxas felt like a real person because we could see his interactions with others, we saw him upset, and we saw him happy, and we saw him scared and even resigned to his end. We saw a bit of him through Sora when we saw the real Twilight Town kids, too! Those emotional moments, big or small, are what make you sympathize with a character.

But I feel like they didn't do that well at all with Xion in the game. She had SOME happy moments, she had SOME non-angsty interaction with Roxas and Axel, but for the most part? Angst, angst, angst, tiring angst and being hated by everyone but the 'good' main characters (which is a glaring Sue trait), and the token "sitting at the clock tower eating ice cream" cut-scene which adds NOTHING to the character development, despite what the developers seemed to think. Honestly, I didn't like ANY character in Days: I was a big fan of Roxas, but even his character came off flat and uninteresting in Days, at least to me, so I feel the game just failed overall with character interaction, and it was just a hastily-developed plot-plaster.

I understand there were some personality traits they wanted her to have to be endearing, and I do recall a few 'touching' scenes in the game, but they were just so overwhelmingly overpowered by every other 'tragic' and 'dramatic' moment in her story, it was hard to focus on anything past those over-dramatic moments. Which is why I say I can 100% believe her manga persona would've been more likeable and relatable, seeing as you get the chance to see more interaction, and see her fleshed out.

Sorry if I come off a bit incensed, but I also love discussing fandoms, and since it's obviously something you like, you sort of rant on, not out of hate, but out of appreciation. xD It's also why I can get intense about bad character development or inconsistent stories.
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lunerblade427 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014
i find this funny because when you see the timeline, naime replaced xion instead of the other-way around.,
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Game-story timeline, yes. Game-making timeline, no, which is the one I care about. xD Namine, at the very least, was planned as early as Kingdom Hearts I, where Xion was made up for a single game and that's it, no previos or further planning for her. It's kind of sad, but it explains why they didn't put much effort in building her character, if they're not going to use it again.
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Private-Funny-Man Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2014
I think Xion was a deconstruction of a Sue, and all of her "Sue" parts were intentional. I think the creator of KH decided this: "Oh, go ahead and make your Mary Sues. But I'll make a character that's Sueish, and she still won't be one." Or something like that.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't subscribe to the idea that a deconstruction of a Sue can BE a Sue. A deconstruction of a Sue should stand as a well-developed character who works despite having Sue charactertistics, and Xion, sadly, doesn't stand as a well-developed character in my eyes. There are too many things wrong about her to work as a deconstruction of Sue: she's just a Sue to me. Actually, I've heard "deconstruction of Sue" used to defend a lot of Sue-ish characters (Bella Swan and Xion, mainly), but they always seem to fall flat because that's all that's used to defend them: the concept. I'd love to hear about WHY her Sue-ish traits "work" and "aren't Sueish", but I never found a detailed post that described it (IN the same post that claimed it was a deconstruction: I've heard plenty of people's arguments about why they like her that are valid, they just never get mentioned by the person pulling the 'deconstruction'. But then, this was in Tumblr, and they just toss a lot of buzzwords about, so I don't mean to say you don't have your own points!)

I've seen Sue Deconstructions in webcomics and fanfiction. They're SOO good in fanfiction! Though they're usually tagged as comedy, to showcase the faults of a canon character compared to an exaggerated Sue. It's a very good way to battle some "that chartacter's a Sue" accusations that bank on a single complaint of the character, while getting a laugh out of it.

I'd like to have more faith in the creator, like you do, but reading the 'making of' interviews for Days AND Dream Drop Distance, they obviously have no clue what a Sue or a far-fetched plot point is. xD They just make stuff up as they go, and with Xion they just couldn't balance it out. Actually, AFTER Dream Drop Distance, I think both Sora and Riku are huge Sues, too. ><; Though Sora is a more of a Plot Tool than a Sue, but it still doesn't bode well for his character.
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Private-Funny-Man Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
•_• Wow. That's uh, well, shoot. I would agree with you there, but there are some evidence on that last part. Especially on Sora. But like you, I like to have faith in the creator. Unless the arguments about whose a Sue in KH is what he wanted. Probably not. So, who else is a Sue in KH to you?
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, to be completely fair, I see Sue-ish charactertistics in all characters. xD It's hard not to, given the premise of the games was "adorkable kids go out on a magic journey to save the multiverse by saving canon characters from their woes." But at first it wasn't too bad: the premise sounded a bit like a fanfic, but the characters were more-or-less coherent, the first game set some interesting limitations and so on.

Sora, Riku, and Kairi were all nice characters, I never considered any of them Sueish in the first games (KH1 through KH2). I know people scream "Kairi is a Sue", but I never saw her that way. She was 'special', sure, but within the universe rules (again, those set from KH1 through KH2), it made sense. Her character wasn't over-powered, and yeah, she was 'damsel in distress' in the first one, but it's not something she could've helped, and she did a great job of staying out of trouble and providing storng moral support for her friends through the second and third games.

Namine is another character that gets called a Sue a lot, but I also don't see that: she's a good character, one that has strong limitations. She has strong powers, but little physical strength to truly exploit them without being caught, and she also needs a long period of time to truly work her power (e.g. deleting Sora's memories over time, restoring them carefully over a longer period of time). She tries to help in small ways, she's sincere and tries hard. Not a Sue for me: a female character doesn't need to participate in physical fights to be 'strong'.

Roxas, he was my favorite character before Days, at which point his mysterious backstory was ruined by turning it from what it should have been (a story od Roxas's interactions with Org. XIII and his discovery of himself) to Xion's birth. By making a new character at this point and making the story revolve around her , they take depth away from the rest of the characters, and they limit her potential (Xion is a one-game-only character, by her own story, and comes off like a patch more than a true character we should care about). With Xion as Roxas's sole motivator, his friendship with Axel is turned into a joke, and Axel's actions through 1.5 and 2 now feel ridiculous (they weren't THAT close: Roxas was closer to Xion than Axel, as Days shows us, so why the obsession?).

I'll mention Xion again in regards to Namine: so far, Namine was one of the few characters who had memory-altering powers, and the games left it abundantly clear it's a power that needs time to work. So Xion's mega-power of erasing herself from everyone's memory in a flash is way overpowered by canon standards, though this would be the first time the games start to say 'eff you' to the canon and lore they had weaved.

Cut to Birth By Sleep: the protagonist trio aren't Sues, though Terra's potential was wasted. I played Aqua and Ventus's stories first, and they gave the idea that Terra was struggling hard with morality, making some questionable decisions and eventually succumbing to Darkness. You play as Terra, and you see he never really went through any moral hardships: when he did something 'questionable', it was le evil mastermind mind-controlling him into it, so his ultimate loss to darkness falls flat and 'just because'.

Past this, is where Sora and Riku start coming into 'Sue' territory. Riku was always the too-cool-for-you character who danced between light and darkness, showing us that sometimes, not everything is black and white. At least, that's what he seemed like to me in the first three games. But come 3D, and everything is black-and-white again. Also, playing as Riku shows him with some overly-sappy dialogues that I thought only Sora was capable of, even within Kingdom Hearts, and it's just so out-of-character, the character seems like a mockery of his old self.

Sora is more or less the same, and the hero subversion (Riku is [one of] the chosen one[s], not you!) would work neatly, if Sora wasn't so pivotal to every plot point ever, even when he shouldn't be. That's why I say he's more of a plot tool than a Sue, but if he ends up being the be-one-end-all, then that's Sue-ish in itself.

Also, everyone ever can be a Keyblade Master yadda yadda, so no one is really special anymore and the rules set in the first games don't matter no mo'.

Whew! Sorry for the huge-ass post. O _O But yeah, that's how I see it. KH has become my guilty pleasure, given all I typed (it's not 'great' anymore, but it's entertaining and not 'bad').
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Private-Funny-Man Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014
I see. I think I can answer some of that. On the Terra thing, I think maybe it's like that because it's from his view point, and he was being corrupted and his mindset was altering. To him he wasn't in a situation that challenged his morals.

On that Axel part, I think his obsession came from a desire to have a friend. He wanted a friend that was similar to what Saïx was when he was Isa. And Saïx no longer reminded him of the person he used to be, so in Axel's mind, Isa was gone. He wanted to keep his friend that he had in Roxas, and was afraid that something could happen to him. Does that sound good?

On those Kari and Naminè parts, I completely agree. Most of the hate they get is from yaoi fangirls who hate them for "ruining their hawt yaoi ships". To bring up another point, the hate on Kari comes from having a connection with the main character. If Kari was the main hero, people would be shouting "She's too overpowered! And she ruins my ships!" or something like that. On Naminè, I think maybe she's a parody of fangirls who do self-insert fanfics.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not wholy sure about Terra: I just think they had the right concept, but didn't want to commit to it. They wanted him to look like he was being corrupted and changing his way of thinking, but didn't want him to do something really bad 'willingly'. So we end up with him mind-controlled whenever he might've faced a challenging situation. I think they did a much better job with Riku through the first game: he was the picture of a twisted ideology, but then, he was affected by the shadows from early on.

And I think I dig the Axel explanation, if we extrapolate it even more. I don't think he could remember himself as Lea (much like no Nobody seems able to remember their Somebody right away), but he could've had that desire for a friend like Isa on a subconscious level, moreso since Saix was right there, but couldn't quite connect that way. So he latched on to the first person who was more 'vulnerable' and likely to be a friend, Roxas. Then, with Roxas gone, he did the exact same thing with Sora, never really understanding that he wasn't rooting for Roxas, but Isa.

That all said, while it's an interesting concept, it still leaves Roxas's character ruined to a whiny little bitch. xD I had been hoping he had been a good friend to Axel, but he wasn't. Also, the previous theory sort of stomps and takes all meaning away from Axel's few touching words to Sora when he saved him at the end of KH2.

I don't subscribe to the "yaoi fans hate girls cuz shipping" idea. xD It's a strawman, though I've seen it happen, it hasn't been more than once or twice (SOURCE: I'm into yaoi, so I've talked to other yaoi-likers who dislike Kairi, and only the most rabid fans are that way). I think generally people just adhere to the idea that a female character needs to be a fighter to be strong, like with tumblr's pseudo-feminism, so when the character isn't a tomboy fighter, she's a damsel in distress, and thus she's whiny and annoying and totally a Sue.

Bring in the same pseudo-feminism, and I can see why so many people want to see Xion as a strong character: she's a tomboy, she's the martyr, she's a fighter, though not a very proficient one. It's Katniss Everdeen all over again, taking the most bare characteristics of a character and painting them as good, with no regard to whether or not those characteristics work as a whole in the character's setting / universe, or for the character's emotional consistency. And while Xion can pass for a 'strong' female character (if you consider self-sacrificing fighters that), she's not a well-written character, gender aside (she'd be just as bad as a male character, no matter what pseudo-faminist tell you about the term 'Mary Sue'), so that's what tags her as a Sue to me.
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Private-Funny-Man Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
I see.
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KeeferTEarl Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
I saw her as a deconstruction of a Sue. Her very existence is inconvenient and threatening to pretty much everyone involved. And the Replica Program itself hinted at Xemnas's more... secretive goals.

Here's a little somethin' I found a while ago:
  • Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories deals with a Canon Relationship Sue, while 358/2 Days deconstructs the Copycat Sue. The characters involved are canonically clones of some sort and are considered abominations in-universe. Their Sueish traits are actually plot-relevant and tend to be the reason the villains can make use of them, with the latter even dying as a result of it.
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen the argument about Xion being a deconstruction of a Sue before, and I coulde never bring myself to agree with it. xD Her existence was inconvenient only in the sense that it was entirely unneded for the story to make sense (actually it detracts from any logic the storyline had managed to cling to so far). She wasn't particularly threatening to anyone, either, at least that I could see (which might not be saying much, since we all interpret in-game stuff different ways!). And in the end, any inconvenience or threat she presented was pretty much useless, because she ceased to exist and then magically erased herself from everyone's memories.

And that's one of the biggest grips I have with Xion: she's a bad retcon. I have nothing against non-lineart storytelling, but you need to have a very special talent for it and the ability to keep track of absolutely everything you want to implement in the story.Because if your newest game is a prequel to the others and all it does is raise more questions than answers, and on top of that you push in characters who were never hinted at or acknowledged in passing, you're doing a bad job at storytelling.

Xion was a character made up for Days, not a character that had been developed prior to KHII and was just waiting to be sprung into the world. Roxas was hinted at as early as the credits of KHI, I think (might've been Chain of Memories, my memory's a bit iffy on that), as well as Namine, and other relevant characters are mentioned at least in passing or in Reports.  Xion was made with little to no regard to the rules of the universe she was being made for or how the games further down the timeline SHOULD be affected by her: the whole dramatic death and massive mind-wiping just reeked of bad writing. Had Days come out before KHII, I would have liked Xion a lot more, and would've looked forward with what they were going to do with her. They didn't give us the chance to really know the character, though, simply using her as a cheap way to keep the 'trio' dynamic and because, for some reason, they didn't think their Organization XIII canon members were interesting enough to carry the game on their shoulders (big mistake, in my opinion: each member had a large fanbase before the game came out).

The retconning is also a bit bothersome in Birth By sleep, now that I think about it. I liked the little cameos by the Org.XIII Somebodies, but the bits where they had to push interactions with Sora, Riku and Kairi were too much. But then, that game was just an introduction to how much they were going to mess with their own keyblade-wielding universe rules. xD So I guess I've given up on coherent storytelling: the developers obviously care about publishing more games on the franchise because it's a big seller, so I wouldn't doubt further games will just be more and more strange and rule-breaking within their own realm, just so they can stretch the story into another game.
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KeeferTEarl Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014
She was literally sucking the life essence from Roxas just by BEING there. The circumstances involving her, and how the Organization went about these things (Let's lie and have them fight to the death!), are what sparked the rift between Roxas, Axel, and the Organization at large. She was even keeping Sora from ever waking if she continued existing like that.

What rules contradict Xion's existence? She's a Replica just like the fake Riku that Vexen made, given a more proper shape by power and memories drawn from Roxas.

And she didn't erase herself from everyone's memory. Her entire individual being was composed of the memories that slipped into her from Sora through Roxas. There wasn't really any "her" to remember when those memories were returned. The only way some piece could remain is if she evolved beyond a mere Replica of a Nobody and grew an actual heart. But we know that Nobodies don't have hearts... or do they?

Also, what Keyblade retcon? What rules are they messing up? Before that game, there WERE no rules. We knew NOTHING of the Keyblade's past. What is there to retcon? Truth is, that story had been hinted at repeatedly already; the differing legends of the Keyblade, the reason Riku was chosen in the first place, Sora's second Keyblade, Kairi's Keyblade, Xehanort opening that door in his reports, and Xigbar's own trolling hints.
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XIIIXV Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay so, I love Xion to death, but I have to admit she did sort of confuse the whole game plot, and now what they're doing is just try to stick her into random places in 3D and the other games like, "okay we got Ven...Roxas...who are we missing? Oh yeah! Let's give Xion a random part!" Which is completely unneeded. 

Though, I feel like everyone in Kingdom Hearts is sort of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu...everyone has to have a keyblade and has to be super powerful once and a while and weak at other times. :/ I still love them all, I just see Sueish qualities with them all. 

Oh, and I was also caught with the stick and Xion had my keyblade back there getting the shit beat of of her because she was fighting the wall and not the Heartless. XD 
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, no joke, most characters in KH are very much Sues. I mean, Sora goes around fixing every Disney character's lifestory problems, that's pretty much a Sue's dream. But it's the dynamic the game introduced, so as long as they stick to their own rules, I'm good -- which is why the latest games feel so wonky, with all the stuff they make up to try to make the story more interesting, but which don't fit in with the first games and their implied lore.

I guess I have a special gripe with Xion because she was an unneeded character that came out of nowhere and didn't seem to have a place to fit. It felt like they just wanted to keep the "three main characters" dynamic they had going on in the rest of the games, when the game could've been Roxas's solo, or even better, a rotation between Organization XIII members that fleshed out their characters. There was literally no need to introduce and poorly develop a new character, instead of fleshing out the ones they already had. I really wanted to learn more about the bad guys, but well, no luck. xD

The stick. Gosh, the stick. Corners are not THAT hard, Xion. ; n; Do you not remember your jump button!? Smash that thing!
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XIIIXV Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, honestly, she is uneeded. They could have made up a different reason for Roxas wanting to leave the Organization, instead of just adding Xion so he would start questioning who he was and somehow getting two keyblades. In fact, I thought that he had two keyblades because they represented Kairi and Riku, but apparently he inherited it from Xion. 

Okay, that's new. O-o 

You have a good point, it would have been interesting to see the game from all the Organization's point of views. 

I'd love to know why the stick was there anyway. I couldn't even use half my magic because Xion had my keyblade. -.-
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, apparently, he didn't get it from Xion, either. o _o I think it's related to Ventus rather than her, but there goes another "when did the story and keyblade-holding mechanics get so complicated?" moment. I couldn't explain it to you myself, as someone else mentioned it to me. But yeah, apparently Roxas got more from Ventus than just his appearance. (Also, I too thought the keyblades represented Kairi and Riku! It seemed such an obvious, emotional reasoning when KHII came out)
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KrytenKoro Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2016
The promotional material for him literally state "The Keyblades the boy who knows Sora is holding are the Oathkeeper and Oblivion from the first game. The precious "Oathkeeper", which Sora received from Kairi. The jet-black Keyblade, symbolic of Riku. / The Oblivion, at first, was called Riku's Keyblade. The boy who has the Keyblades from Riku (darkness) and Kairi (light)......Who is he!?"
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XIIIXV Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, well that sort of makes sense too. XD I guess Roxas gets his keyblades from different sources. O_o 

Before I even played Days I thought that that's what his keyblades symbolized. Apparently, I was wrong. 
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thesoniczone11 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Roxas' Keyblades (Oathkeeper and Oblivion) represent Riku and Kairi but the fact he can wield a second Keyblade at all is because of Ventus' heart within him. 
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xcrushx17 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely agree with this. I mean, I don't hate Xion, but she is, in my opinion, a Sue. It bugged me that she just popped up out of nowhere and with all that has come into play since KH2, everything is all jumbled up, and as you have said, she only adds to the mass confusion. Ugh. That's my problem with her. 

Do you know yet why Ventus is a factor? If not. Then don't read this part. 

SPOILER: Another reason this bugs me is the whole possibility of Sora releasing everyone that's in his heart (Roxas, Ventus, and Xion). I think Roxas and Xion should stay put where they are - inside Sora. I like the angst of their stories (rejoining Sora and all that junk). Also, don't you think it would be weird if Roxas and Ventus were both roaming around? I hate the thought of two lookalikes running around. Dx
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XoverLover Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, unneeded confusion. )= Something KH doesn't need MORE of.

I wasn't aware there was even the possibility for Sora to release everyone in his heart. o _o But I agree: Roxas should stay inside Sora, as he's part of the guy, and Xion, well, Xion shouldn't come back at all. Her fans claim she has an epic and tragic end by wiping herself out, well, let her stay wiped out. Bringing her back makes little to no sense, and honestly, it'd just be more unneeded drama and confusion trying to explain to everyone who she is and why she exists.

It just... well, I just think it would magnify her Sue traits, as I can only see her as taking the 'honorable' road and heroically pushing everyone away from her "damaged" and "artificial" being, becoming some wanna-be-badass character in the background who's mysterious and pops in to help in "epic" moments.

With Roxas, I appreciate his tragic story, of him trying to be a person of his own but ultimately being just a part of Sora (aka the original one they rehashed with Xion, yet lots of fans claim is completely original to her). Him crying through Sora when the guy meets the children at Twilight Town is always a real tear jerker for me. But that's part of what makes his story so good, as well as they way they found to give him some personality of his own aside from Sora's. And while bringing him out of Sora to make him a character of his own might seem like a good idea, it just seems like an attempt at crowd-pleasing (which is kind of scary, because Squenix likes crowd-pleasing over story consistency), and he'd easily become lost in the sea of side characters with Sue and Deus Ex Machina traits for easy conflict resolutions.

Ventus, Ventus I wouldn't mind coming back to "life", because he actually has some beef to his character that could make him work along Sora. It could be interesting (though very confusing) to see him interact with Xemnas/everyothernameforhim, too.
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KrytenKoro Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2016
"Bringing her back makes little to no sense, and honestly, it'd just be more unneeded drama and confusion trying to explain to everyone who she is and why she exists."

It also would make her "sacrifice" completely meaningless, and, just like Days and 3D did to KH2, retroactively turn Days into a farce where everyone is upset over nothing.

The only good use I can see from Xion's character is that the mechanics explained in KH3D and the Ultimania mean that a version of Sora *WILL* become a version of Xehanort, because Xehanort should logically be able to check who he is able to use as an anchor in time traveling, and the Ultimania explicitly says that the new Org was able to use Sora as their anchor to get into the Sleeping Worlds. If Sora himself isn't becoming a vessel, Nomura's "out" is that a --piece-- of Sora will count, and Xion is a piece of Sora.
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xcrushx17 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Definitely not. My head nearly explodes when it tries to piece everything together! xD

Well, that's how I took the ending of Dream Drop Distance. That Sora is going to find some Keyblade or something. I might be wrong. But it seems that way. And I completely agree! Sora couldn't wake up without Roxas (which makes no sense in a way considering Kairi and Namine could co-exist and both be conscious). As for Xion, the whole concept of her is odd to me still - a doll that is a manifestation of Sora's memories of Kairi. Not bashing, just trying to take it in.

I also appreciate Roxas' part of the story. The moment in Twilight Town also tugged at my heart strings, as did near the end when Namine and Roxas talked about how they got to be together again and that they didn't fade back into darkness. So beautifully angst-y and it all should stay that way!

Ventus should definitely come back! His part of the story doesn't feel over to me yet. There's a lot he could bring to the story. I'd say he'd greet Xehanort/Xemnas/everyothernameforhim with a round house kick to the face. xD
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KeybladeMagicDan Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
i wishes namie as main character not xion
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