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EDIT: Oh! I just noticed! This is my 100th Deviation! xD Wow!

I was going to pick up my copy of Days 358/2 to play some, but then I remembered why I don't like that game. xD

This comic expresses my thoughts about the whole thing. Namine was okay, and it all seemed to fit, but then they had to go back and mess up things further. They also ruined Roxas, and failed to deliver the epic background story I had been expecting for Roxas's abandonment of Org. XIII. But well.

I prefer Birth by Sleep. Vanitas and Ventus are way better than Sora and Roxas.


Just so you know, I don't dislike people that like Xion. I dislike Xion, period.

And I already know Organization XIII didn't change its name.

And I still think Xion is a pretty useless character and a lot more of a Mary Sue than Kairi or Namine ever were.

And I'm still annoyed at that one mission when she was emo-blocked and I had to prance around waving a stick around like an idiot, getting killed while Xion was stuck with a wall three feet away with MY Keyblade.


But I still like Kingdom Hearts <3




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MissMoonified's avatar
Hello! I am a voice actress, and would love to dub your comic if you consent to such. You would be credited, of course. Thank you so much for your time <3
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Otaku-Senpai-artist|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
About my comment earlier , i thought a little and i disagree with it. I love xion! She does something! Kairi is a damsel in distress! I love her, but she NEEDS to start doing SOMETHING in kh3! Don't get me started on how much i HATE Namine! She wasted what could've been a good game! But my fav kh girl is Aqua! I love her! Nothing much to complain about her in my opinion!

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT FROM YOURS. TRY NOT TO GET BUTTHURT PLEASE!!
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I'm glad someone has common sense ^^
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Otaku-Senpai-artist|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is allll true but Xion is still one of my fav kh characters
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I think Kairi and Nami are more of Mary Sues' than Xion. Xion doesnt have anything go well with her! Unlike Namine and Kairi. Xion actually does more than Kairi and Namine. Kairi was asleep during most of KH1. In KH2 she is kidnapped and trapped. But no matter how many times that happens she's always saved in the end. Namine can fix her problem and noone is mad at her. Noone even cares about what Nami did. Yet people critsize Xion who did more than these two characters. Im just stating my opinion.
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Otaku-Senpai-artist|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You are absolutely right. Namine is one of my most did liked kh characters because she mostly just caused conflict and wasted what could've been a good game lol. I love kairi, but she is a damsel in destress!! She BETTER start fighting and start HELPING for once KH3! She supposed to get a keyblade, so no excuses, kairi lol! At least xion did something! Sorry for rambling.. I just wanted to get my opinion out! 😅😝
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AlphaXXI|Student General Artist
I dont really get the "solely created by Square Enix" part. I mean, isn't every single KH-exclusive character created solely by SE ? It's not like Disney has had any implication in the games' developments before KH3, other than agreeing to let Square use their intellectual property.
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stevemacqwark|Hobbyist General Artist
I have HD 1.5 Remix. What should I drink and how much endure Xion?
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I'm sure it's been said many times, but Xion is supposed to be a deconstruction of a Mary Sue. Almost everyone hates her or treats her indifferently, anyone who knows her true nature thinks she's literally less than a person than Nobodies are, she ends up being erases from everyone's lives in the end (way to ruin that one, DDD), and she learns that to actually fix the story's real hero, she needs to essentially get her best friend to kill her. It's basically what it'd be like if the universe didn't treat a Mary Sue like a Mary Sue.
Of course, I still thought this comic was hilarious. XD
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Thank you.
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XoverLover|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've actually seen the "Xion is supposed to be a deconstruction" argument twice before, and both times I asked, but got no reply on that point -- is there an interview or some other sort of real source claiming that? I'm curious if that was the intent of the authors (though even if it was, I'd say it was poorly executed, mainly because of the lack of focus on story / character development) or just mere speculation / opinion (which doesn't weight much, such as my own she's-a-sue opinion, as they're both subjective).

I'd disagree wholeheartedly on your point of "universe that doesn't treat a Mary Sue like a Mary Sue", because if that was the case, she wouldn't gt such unexplained affection from both Axel and Roxas. Well, at least I didn't think it was properly explored -- I'm still upset they thought they could replace actual character development with a scene of them having ice cream over and over wordlessly! xD Most of my points on Xion's Sue-ness hinge on worldbuilding and how it gets twisted around for her to exist as a messy plot-plaster -- I just don't like it when canon gets ignored THAT much for convenience sake, which is also why I didn't like DDD, or where the series is headed in general. xD It's good for a guilty pleasure, but I think they dropped the ball with Days and could never quite pick it up. Alas, like I said before, it's all opinion. =P

Glad you liked the comic, sorry for the mini walls of text!
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Believe me, if there's one thing everyone should agree on it's that introducing new characters halfway through a series usually ends badly. I definitely think she could've been the character fans think she is, given enough time. But as for unexplained affection, you kinda run into that everywhere in this series. The main character runs on this. 
But yah, I see your point. I don't think it was so much a bad character as poor planning.
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See, before BBS and 3D, I thought that was a Sora-exclusive thing. He was a friendship junkie, plus he happens to run into all the goodie-two-shoes main characters every time he steps into a new world, so unexplained affection for random strangers fit into his character (there really were few exceptions through the first games). Roxas mistrusted strangers in KHII, Riku was the lonely cool-guy in the background who trusted nobody, even Kairi knew to keep out of trouble when they went out to get her.

So that's why it seemed so jarring to see it in Days with Roxas-Xion-Axel. I sort of wanted some hardcore conflict and friendship-building between Axel and Roxas, understand the drive behind Axel and his desperate quest to get his one true friend back. It was touching without context, and when they tried to use the badly-introduced, not-properly-developed Xion to help explain, it just was... meh? Ok, so Axel just immediately latched on to underage Roxas the moment he steps in, then latches on to Xion when Roxas brings her along, no questions asked, let's all be super best friends. Not only is it kind of disturbing, it made me lose all sympathy for Axel's quest and cheapened his scenes in KHII for me. There was literally nothing of value between him and Roxas -- it was just an obsession that he carried on to Sora for no reason.

Another user I chatted with here exposed the possibility that Axel's obsession wasn't with Roxas, but simply with "having a friend", because his Somebody, Lea, was best friends with Isa (Saix's Somebody). So maybe Axel could remember that on some level, and sought the sort of friendship his Somebody had, but which he couldn't emulate with Saix (so he latches to Roxas because he's someone new and unbiased). I need to desperately cling to this explanation unless otherwise debunked, because then it makes Axel a tragic character instead of a run-of-the-mill psycho who happened to do some good things through his obsessive quest.

But yeah. After a while, I realized KH was never really any good at human interaction or friendship evolution. I could never get over how Donald and Goofy go from Sora's friends to hypocritical soldiers who leave him for Riku at a moment's notice, then back to being his best friends in 0 flat. I also realized they never had to explain how Riku, Sora, and Kairi became friends, they were just the default friends and thus not very questionable (save for flashbacks). Aqua, Terra, and Ventus were the same: they're friends by default, but we get to see very little of their relationship development, they just sort of... are. And that's what KH's biggest fault is, I feel. You look a bit too closely at the character motivation and interaction, and you realize it barely holds by thin strings.

Because move on to 3D, we get to see Riku's interactions more closely than we could in his playthrough of Castle Oblivion, and find out he goes about it the exact same way Sora does: find people, befriend them right away, fix their problems, and done. He speaks less, he shows a bit less of emotion (though loads more than in other games, simply because of screen-time), but his beliefs mimic Sora's quite a bit, and he lacks the intense insecurity and suspicion of others he seemed to possess in other games (because he's good now, and good guys always befriend everyone, specially good guys from other series?). I wanted to see a bit of conflict with his character (which was promised for Terra if you played Ventus and Aqua's storylines first, but fell flat when you went through Terra's), and there was none of it.

The gameplay in all the games is awesome as can be, but yeah. Character interaction isn't their forte, and poor Xion got the brunt of it because she was limited to one game. Maybe it was for the best, though, seeing how things worked out for Axel and Riku.

Also sorry for the huge box of text. I also got a bit out of topic.o _o
Oops.
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I love Xion so much, but I wish she was planned before Days. That way, they could have weaved her more into Kingdom Hearts II and stuff and skip the whole everyone forgot her stuff.
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I think that's her major flaw: she wasn't planned, she was merely created because they felt the characters they had weren't strong enough to hold a story on their own. Which is a huge mistake, because all of Organization XIII still had so much to explore about them, you didn't NEED a new character to take the limelight away from them.

So in the end, she wasn't developed enough to stand as a character, because she was only going to be there for one game, and the rest of the characters were left under-developed (or got their "assumed" development from previous games taken away).

So yeah. I feel Xion wasn't made to be a character, she was made to be a plot device, so that's why she feels so incomplete and "sueish" to me. If they had planned her before and put more thought into her character and her story, they wouldn't have needed the rushed "oh, everyone forgets her because magic" plot-plaster.
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FairyDragoon|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, I agree with some points there. I really hope, Xion, well all the girls, get even larger roles in KHIII. There's no rush or anything so the creators can do a lot for everyone's characters. 
The thing I like about Xion, though, is she's a strong and selfless character, to me. I guess some people find that sueish, since probably she could have shared her plot movingness. :XD:
Manga Xion is better than Game Xion though, lol.
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Someone understands.(And yep manga Xion is adorable!>_<)
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They should just flat-out take their time with writing and following their own canon. xD Enough with making up new rules every time a game comes out! We went from "being a Keyblade Master is super-special and unique!" in game 1, to "actually, anyone can be a Keyblade Master! Here, let me make everyone and their cousin a Keyblade Master" in Dream Drop Distance.

From the Days game alone, I honestly can't say I saw Xion as selfless or strong. xD She struck me as a very insecure and overpowered girl who was either hated or loved for no particular well-explored reason. But that's where viewer subjectiveness comes in! I can't comment on the manga Xion, though, since I haven't read the KH manga. xD It's WAY likely that she's better developed in the manga, though, since there it's pure character interaction and a few battles, vs. the game's little character interaction in exchange for constant gameplay. So I don't doubt she's better than Game Xion. =P
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i find this funny because when you see the timeline, naime replaced xion instead of the other-way around.,
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Game-story timeline, yes. Game-making timeline, no, which is the one I care about. xD Namine, at the very least, was planned as early as Kingdom Hearts I, where Xion was made up for a single game and that's it, no previos or further planning for her. It's kind of sad, but it explains why they didn't put much effort in building her character, if they're not going to use it again.
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I think Xion was a deconstruction of a Sue, and all of her "Sue" parts were intentional. I think the creator of KH decided this: "Oh, go ahead and make your Mary Sues. But I'll make a character that's Sueish, and she still won't be one." Or something like that.
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I don't subscribe to the idea that a deconstruction of a Sue can BE a Sue. A deconstruction of a Sue should stand as a well-developed character who works despite having Sue charactertistics, and Xion, sadly, doesn't stand as a well-developed character in my eyes. There are too many things wrong about her to work as a deconstruction of Sue: she's just a Sue to me. Actually, I've heard "deconstruction of Sue" used to defend a lot of Sue-ish characters (Bella Swan and Xion, mainly), but they always seem to fall flat because that's all that's used to defend them: the concept. I'd love to hear about WHY her Sue-ish traits "work" and "aren't Sueish", but I never found a detailed post that described it (IN the same post that claimed it was a deconstruction: I've heard plenty of people's arguments about why they like her that are valid, they just never get mentioned by the person pulling the 'deconstruction'. But then, this was in Tumblr, and they just toss a lot of buzzwords about, so I don't mean to say you don't have your own points!)

I've seen Sue Deconstructions in webcomics and fanfiction. They're SOO good in fanfiction! Though they're usually tagged as comedy, to showcase the faults of a canon character compared to an exaggerated Sue. It's a very good way to battle some "that chartacter's a Sue" accusations that bank on a single complaint of the character, while getting a laugh out of it.

I'd like to have more faith in the creator, like you do, but reading the 'making of' interviews for Days AND Dream Drop Distance, they obviously have no clue what a Sue or a far-fetched plot point is. xD They just make stuff up as they go, and with Xion they just couldn't balance it out. Actually, AFTER Dream Drop Distance, I think both Sora and Riku are huge Sues, too. ><; Though Sora is a more of a Plot Tool than a Sue, but it still doesn't bode well for his character.
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•_• Wow. That's uh, well, shoot. I would agree with you there, but there are some evidence on that last part. Especially on Sora. But like you, I like to have faith in the creator. Unless the arguments about whose a Sue in KH is what he wanted. Probably not. So, who else is a Sue in KH to you?
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Well, to be completely fair, I see Sue-ish charactertistics in all characters. xD It's hard not to, given the premise of the games was "adorkable kids go out on a magic journey to save the multiverse by saving canon characters from their woes." But at first it wasn't too bad: the premise sounded a bit like a fanfic, but the characters were more-or-less coherent, the first game set some interesting limitations and so on.

Sora, Riku, and Kairi were all nice characters, I never considered any of them Sueish in the first games (KH1 through KH2). I know people scream "Kairi is a Sue", but I never saw her that way. She was 'special', sure, but within the universe rules (again, those set from KH1 through KH2), it made sense. Her character wasn't over-powered, and yeah, she was 'damsel in distress' in the first one, but it's not something she could've helped, and she did a great job of staying out of trouble and providing storng moral support for her friends through the second and third games.

Namine is another character that gets called a Sue a lot, but I also don't see that: she's a good character, one that has strong limitations. She has strong powers, but little physical strength to truly exploit them without being caught, and she also needs a long period of time to truly work her power (e.g. deleting Sora's memories over time, restoring them carefully over a longer period of time). She tries to help in small ways, she's sincere and tries hard. Not a Sue for me: a female character doesn't need to participate in physical fights to be 'strong'.

Roxas, he was my favorite character before Days, at which point his mysterious backstory was ruined by turning it from what it should have been (a story od Roxas's interactions with Org. XIII and his discovery of himself) to Xion's birth. By making a new character at this point and making the story revolve around her , they take depth away from the rest of the characters, and they limit her potential (Xion is a one-game-only character, by her own story, and comes off like a patch more than a true character we should care about). With Xion as Roxas's sole motivator, his friendship with Axel is turned into a joke, and Axel's actions through 1.5 and 2 now feel ridiculous (they weren't THAT close: Roxas was closer to Xion than Axel, as Days shows us, so why the obsession?).

I'll mention Xion again in regards to Namine: so far, Namine was one of the few characters who had memory-altering powers, and the games left it abundantly clear it's a power that needs time to work. So Xion's mega-power of erasing herself from everyone's memory in a flash is way overpowered by canon standards, though this would be the first time the games start to say 'eff you' to the canon and lore they had weaved.

Cut to Birth By Sleep: the protagonist trio aren't Sues, though Terra's potential was wasted. I played Aqua and Ventus's stories first, and they gave the idea that Terra was struggling hard with morality, making some questionable decisions and eventually succumbing to Darkness. You play as Terra, and you see he never really went through any moral hardships: when he did something 'questionable', it was le evil mastermind mind-controlling him into it, so his ultimate loss to darkness falls flat and 'just because'.

Past this, is where Sora and Riku start coming into 'Sue' territory. Riku was always the too-cool-for-you character who danced between light and darkness, showing us that sometimes, not everything is black and white. At least, that's what he seemed like to me in the first three games. But come 3D, and everything is black-and-white again. Also, playing as Riku shows him with some overly-sappy dialogues that I thought only Sora was capable of, even within Kingdom Hearts, and it's just so out-of-character, the character seems like a mockery of his old self.

Sora is more or less the same, and the hero subversion (Riku is [one of] the chosen one[s], not you!) would work neatly, if Sora wasn't so pivotal to every plot point ever, even when he shouldn't be. That's why I say he's more of a plot tool than a Sue, but if he ends up being the be-one-end-all, then that's Sue-ish in itself.

Also, everyone ever can be a Keyblade Master yadda yadda, so no one is really special anymore and the rules set in the first games don't matter no mo'.

Whew! Sorry for the huge-ass post. O _O But yeah, that's how I see it. KH has become my guilty pleasure, given all I typed (it's not 'great' anymore, but it's entertaining and not 'bad').
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