Re: The Witcher Series -- Civil Courage

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Does
 "modify the TW3 character models for free (non-commercial)"
mean the same as the
 "freedom to modify TW3 character for money"?

I don't think so, though some claim this.

I feel sick.
Imagine there is war and nobody shows up. Then the war comes to you.

Carl Sandburg: "Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come."
Charlotte Keyes: "Suppose They Gave a War and No One Came"
Bertolt Brecht: "Imagine it is war and nobody goes there, ..."
Internet slang: "Keep calm and don't feed the troll"
Bertolt Brecht: "Imagine it is war and nobody goes there, then the war comes to you!"

It is common to read only half of an information.
It is often overlooked that when gathering all the information,
the other half of piece gets a very different meaning.

The correct Poem (of Bertolt Brecht)

Imagine it is war and nobody goes there 
Then the war comes to you!

Whosoever stays at home when the struggle begins
And lets others fight on his behalf
Must look out; for
He who does not share in the struggle
Will nonetheless share in the defeat.
He who seeks to evade the struggle
Cannot evade this struggle; for
He who has not fought for his own cause
Will fight for the cause of his enemy.

The march reached the mountain meadows
This was the final fray
A small brigade surrounded
By military array.

And when they launched the assault
They played a dirty game
For they drove our captive comrades
Before them as they came.
And our men groaned and shouldered
Rifles and took aim.

Time and again they set our own kind
Against us, and even to do the driving
Time and again they use our own kind.

We are the hangmen and the victims
Forge the block and lay our head on it.
That's the XPS community in a nutshell.


Marcelievsky had written a journal One Last Words Before I go to my Absence, with the content:
"Just in case my profile goes down by strike. And my facerig, meshmods, comic and fanart services gone here once for all. I wish you thank both of these splendid guys personally: X--N--A"
He saying that the "Full story" would be:
www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…
www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…
But already the first link points only to comments, hidden by Marcelievsky himself!

To complete the story, I add one of the missing parts.


Three and a half year ago, the XPS developer asked CDPR for permission:
- to write a tool to extract the assets from TW3 for XPS and share it with the XPS community
- to port the TW3 assets to XPS and share it with the XPS community
- to modify the TW3 character and share it with the XPS community
- to grant the same rights to the whole XPS community

Three year ago, CD PROJEKT RED given their approval to do it, as long as this use is limited to non-commercial (free) purpose only.
This is one of the most generous permission documents which the community has ever get. Please read it.

Since that time, some porter like MoogleOutFitters thePWA and XNAaraL had port the characters to XPS, according the rule, for free.

But some like Marcelievsky think the rules do not apply to them.
He has not even portet the TW3 character himself. He has used the port of others who have provided the port of the model for free. He used the work of other porters to make money with it.
That's not fair.
- Not fair to the person who pay for this "service".
- Not fair to the porters. 
- Not fair (and not allowed) to CDPR: "You have (had) the approval to modify these character models and release the modified models to non-commercial (free) purpose only."
- Not fair to the person who had asked for permission for all to release these models for free.
- Not fair to the whole XPS community

How did it end, if porters breaks the rules?
- XPS got a strike.
- CDPR revoked her approval to use there assets for XPS
- the latest TW3 patch broke the extract and it's impossible to uncook the files correctly
- It is no longer allowed to spread a corrected tool
- porters like MoogleOutFitters, thePWA, XNAaraL, Verahnika, X-N-A and many others has stopped to port models for XPS
- Many previous porters has removed their ports and do not allow to re-upload it www.deviantart.com/verahnika/j…
- Many deviations are in storage www.deviantart.com/x-n-a
- No more new XPS versions
- ...

Just in case you want to know WHY all the ports, meshmods, comic, fanart and updates gone here once for all. I wish you thank all these splendid, selfish and money addicted guys like Marcelievsky for there purely egoistic reactionary behavior against the whole community.
These rule breakers do nothing good for the XPS community. This rule breakers destroy everything!


And the community stay inactive as some destroy everything.

Two and a half years ago, here was a status called "Civil Courage". A call that the community should fight for what the community likes, otherwise we would lose what we wants.

Remarkably, except for a few answers like
"It's just the internet"
"Oh kids these days"
"Keep calm and don't feed the troll"
the last comment was made by Marcelievsky (Oct 8, 2016 Student Interface Designer)
"Hey man! Don't leave us! You're culture here!"
www.deviantart.com/comments/62…

to be honest, there was also
www.deviantart.com/comments/62… refer to www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfpSO…
www.deviantart.com/comments/62…
So MVegeta now you know "what triggered this decision". "They played a dirty game" (by Bertolt Brecht)

Whosoever stays at home when the struggle begins and who has not fought for his own cause, will fight for the cause of his enemy.

To quote the poem of Bertolt Brecht again:
"We are the hangmen and the victims. Forge the block and lay our head on it."
"When the last bullet was fired, they pulled on their skits to flee.
A peasant in the fields Gave him bread and meat. But he made him pay the price Before he took a bite to eat."
"It was a bus driver called Krobart To whom he was betrayed When in his distress Wallisch called the man “comrade”. That man it was who sold him Instead of helping and so Wallisch grew steadily colder as if up to his neck in snow."

Amen to that sta.sh/01mrtz2sgkby
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nicotine-caffeine's avatar

Well, if you're teen or around 20' and you have some hope of decency in mankind, you have an heart, but if you're around 30' and you still have faith in mankind, then you have no brains. So either the CDK are fools, or i guess they should have expected some such. Seriously, what there's to be so amazed i don't get it.

X--N--A's avatar

thanks for saying I would have no brain :(

But hey, suit yourself.

nicotine-caffeine's avatar

Meaning that you're over '30 and you still put your hopes on mankind?

If that's the case, i'm not the one who will be sitting and waiting endlessly, i'm afraid.

X--N--A's avatar

I fear the same. You are of no help here.


So I'll let XPS die. No new version 11.9 on February 20, 2021 ... nothing more than a Happy 12th Anniversary XNALara


Anyway ... thanks for the comments.

nicotine-caffeine's avatar

Here? Do you mean on the XPS or the cdk matter? I don't think someone of us could do something. Do not misunderstand, i definitely do not approve those behaviors, and i've always disliked people who would lower themselves to do anything for just those few coins more. I'm just saying that there's nothing we can do, other than aknowledge the fact that that's mankind. Of course, if i could handle the matter on my personal way, you could bet i would solve the problem. Alas, it's not considered actually legal too.

X--N--A's avatar

Wht means "cdk" ?

The CDPR matter is the same like the XNALara/XPS matter. -->

Permission Document By Cd Projekt Red

Everyone of us could do something.

- The wrong way: "Whosoever stays at home when the struggle begins and who has not fought for his own cause, will fight for the cause of his enemy."

+ The right way: "Fight for our own cause." ... Post your opinion if you not approve those behaviors ... flame / ignore the evils ... Show us how you disliked people who would lower themselves to do anything for just those few coins more.


Of course, if i could handle the matter on my personal way, you could bet i would solve the problem.

Many of my opponents use my programs. They don't know that my programs are allowed to do the same on their computers as they can do.

... Change passwords; send mails; upload and download applications; Determine location; turn on the camera and micro; publish information on the internet ...

Alas, not everything is considered actually legal too. whistel

nicotine-caffeine's avatar

Well.... You're right of course. But what can i say, after you see pricks like these folks doing things like that almost every day you lose the will of express your disgust each time. But yeah, at least state it maybe would do something good, i don't know. Honestly i really don't think they would give the slightest damn until someone pursue them legally.... Or worse.

In the end who lose out is people like us, which is not petty and doesn't see the symbol fo dollar in EVERY thing that pass in front of us.

RositaGata's avatar
I read everything, including the content of all the links.

It is clear that the constraint of CDPR to use its assets for XNALara was concatenate to the condition "as long as this use is limited to non-commercial purpose only".
In the permission document, there is no "freedom to modify TW3 character for money", neither as Commission nor as any payment service or to sell it. It is clearly strictly forbidden.


The introductory words equate "for free" with "non-commercial".
This is in my opinion misleading.
CDPR requires non-commercial.

The term "Free" suggests something else.
The term "free" is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of "free" as in "free speech", not as in "free beer".

Being free to do things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission, and even have the freedom to sell it.
Please bear in mind, that CDPR, the copyright owner of TW3, do not granted this right.
The use of there assets is for "non-commercial" use and not for "free" use.
We have not the freedom or liberty to use the models from "TW3" for more than what is included in there permission document.

If something would has really  a "Royalty-free licence" you should also have the freedom to publish your changes for any purposes. You should not be required to notify anyone in particular, or in any particular way. You should not be required to communicate about it with any other specific entity.

Free does not mean non-commercial. A free asset must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. A non-commercial intellectual property is what it is: A property asset  with a  non-commercial licence and not intended for or directed towards commercial advantage, or monetary compensation. (The definition is intent-based and intentionally flexible in recognition of the many possible factual situations and business models, like *Commission*, that may exist now or develop later.)

To gain money with copyrighted assets is in fact affecting not only the copyright holder, but also anyone else who truly wants to enjoy XPS, to make renders, to use the ports for study it, or to adapt it to his needs.
Gain money with copyrighted assets is in fact affecting the freedom to redistribute copies for free, so you can help your neighbor.
To gain money with copyrighted assets is in fact affecting the freedom to edit the models, and release your modifications to the public for free, so that the whole community benefits.
To gain money with copyrighted assets is in fact affecting the freedom to use the models, for any purpose.

It's a shame.

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Marcelievsky's avatar
Hahaha there's a lot of dumb people in this world for sure.  And the internet gave voice to all of them and now they are grouped in flocks to achieve representativeness.
But unlike these groups, you're not representing nothing here. You're a microscopic troll here, you know that right? If you wish to stop porting, why this is my problem? Have you see Garry's Mod or Source Filmmaker community by change? Anyone can find and convert anything from there WITHOUT YOU EXISTENCE. Capiche? But are you inferring that other people stopped because of me??? Hahaha Laugh LOL 

Cmon guy, get yourself a job, a girlfriend, stop with this bullshit poetry, like:

I feel sick.
Imagine there is war and nobody shows up. Then the war comes to you.
Oh it's like a queen asking for help :D
XnaFreak's avatar
Are you inferring that other people stopped because of you??? Hahaha, overestimation of one's own self-esteem -- But people stopped because guys aLIKE you.

Long story short: It's the last straw that breaks the camel's back.
Verahnika's avatar
Okay, I honestly didn't know XPS got a strike... nor that CDPR revoked permission and basically locked all content because of the way people were using their assets. If that's the case, then the situation is even worse than I thought, because this proves what people do to gain money with copyrighted assets is in fact affecting not only us, but also anyone else who truly wants to enjoy XPS and use the in-game ports for study (may it be for modeling purposes or just cosplay references). I am not specifically talking about Marcel here though, so many people are profiting from in-game assets with commissions and on Patreon. This won't stop unless other companies start striking them as CDPR did.


Verahnika's avatar
Yeah, the majority of porters who were once active in the porting community are now either gone or just done with the sharing habit.
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