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Air War 1969 July by WS-Clave Air War 1969 July by WS-Clave
In the early part of the 20th century the oppressive government of El Salvador led to many people migrating to nearby Honduras.

The situation for the settlers deteriorated in he late 60s as Honduran nationalism increased.  Events came to a head in 1969 when both countries played each other in the FIFA World Cup.

The rioting and nationalism led to the end of diplomatic relations and skirmishes with both sides using WW2 era aircraft.  The ‘Football War’ lasted from July to August.

The aircraft shown are a Douglas Dakota - used as a bomber - and F4U Corsairs from El Salvador and F4U Corsairs from Honduras.
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Wingnut55 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2018
there is a book (or maybe it was a long magazine article) by a British pilot, whose name i have forgotten, a Royal Marine who flew Spitfires in the RAF, and ended up flying Corsairs in the BFP, in which there are some very interesting comments comparing those aircraft. i have been googling for it, but have not found it so far :-(
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bear48 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2018  Professional
sweet
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2018
Thank you!
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artlovr59 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018   Photographer
Very interesting!! Info on these "small wars" is always educational!
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2018
Thanks!  I like the obscure... :D
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artlovr59 Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2018   Photographer
You're welcome!
I like them too. BTW, have you read Michael Burleigh's _Small Wars, Faraway Places_? Very good, some conflicts I'd never heard of!
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drivernjax Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2018
Oh?  No P-51s?  I thought they met in air battles in this war.
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DaemonAngel Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
They did. Corsair often came out on top.
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drivernjax Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
Which begs the question, how can the P-51 be listed as the greatest fighter ever when a fighter that isn't even mentioned in the top 10 could best it in a dogfight, regularly?
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DaemonAngel Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
You could argue that the Corsair pilots were just better than their Mustang counterparts on the other side in the so-called Soccer War. Also, there are different "models" of said planes with some differences (example: P-51D vs P-51H, the last Mustang model). Most Corsair and Mustang models are fairly even and it would likely come down to the pilots and chance/luck.

Also depends on the people putting together said "Top Ten" list.
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drivernjax Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
Oh, yeah.  I know about the different sub-models of the different a/c.  I've often said the only advantage the P-51 had over other a/c during WW2 was its range.  Oh!  And its good looks.  I know that the USAAC/F didn't like the P-51 originally and relegated it to be an attack a/c designated the A-36 Apache, although some people say the A-36 was a completely different a/c with just the general design of the P-51.
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DaemonAngel Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
During the Battle of Britain, while the Spitfires took on the 109 escorts, it was the Hawker Hurricanes that took out the critical bombers. Yet the "Spit" gets credit for doing it all. Same with the B-17 Flying Fortress. Were as far more B-24 Liberators were produced and formed the backbone of the USAAF bomber squadrons in Europe. Yet we think of the Fortress much more.

The reason: The Media and the Press praised the Spitfire and Fortress to the audience and public so much that to this day people think of them as the best ever (In other words, the Hurricane and Liberator did most of the work while the Spitfire and Fortress took all the glory). It certainly helps to have had a lot of Press attention even before the war started too. They did their part and did it very well, but didn't earn the level of credit we give them.  

Britain commissioned NA for a fighter (the 51), which was good, as satisfying the RAF was more important at first than the USAAC/F. Then on the British-end, they put in the same engine that powered the Spitfire and Hurricane and called it the Mustang (becoming the first successful "international" fighter). There was more to the Mustang than just its range, there's getting there and then there's the combat when you get there. It's still one of the best piston-engined fighters of its time. Just not in every category (except for the A-36, it's not good for close ground support. In fact, inlined-engined planes don't take as much punishment as radials. Punishment is another reason you see mostly radials operated from aircraft carriers.)
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WS-Clave Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2018
I think the Corsair was fast and rugged, and it also looks like the Honduran pilots were better generally, so durability and skill was important. 

I think in a head-on contest I would take a Corsair with 4 x 20mm cannon against a Mustang with 6 x 0.5 inch machine guns any day - with both air-frames being good, you have to think about firepower vs vulnerability more than anything....
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DaemonAngel Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
Honestly, I'm biased in fav of radials like the Thunderbolt, Corsair, Fury, Grumman "Cat" etc..
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jlvfr Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
P-51 had better PR and fought in Europe. It's also prettier. :)
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drivernjax Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
You got that right.  The P-47 was, to me, a significantly better fighter.
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jlvfr Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018
I wouldn't go that far. The P-47D was a lot tougher, yes, but the P-51D was slightly faster, had better climb rate, was more manouverable and had much longer range. Note that it not only took over the escort job in the EU, it was also brought into the Pacific specifically for that.
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drivernjax Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018
Actually, the P-47 was either the first or second, depending on where you read it, fighter to reach 400 MPH in level flight.  Even when the P-51 was passing 450, the P-47 was matching it.  In fact, if I recall correctly, the last model of the P-47 was just shy of 500 MPH.  But, what I was referring to was the fact that two of the top American aces of WW2 flew P-47s and, once again I could be wrong, I seem to recall reading that the P-47 shot down more German fighters than any other American fighter of the war, even after being relegated to ground support.
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jlvfr Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2018
Not even close. I can't find the proper sources, but the P-47 (in relation to US fighters) came in 4th or 3rd, some 2000 kills bellow the P-51 (in first) and the Hellcat (2nd).
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