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Do you use black to paint? If you don't, can you tell us what colours do you use to replace it? 

69%
303 deviants said Yes
31%
138 deviants said No

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:icondutch0927:
dutch0927 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I have several ways to make black:

Black:

Soft/Delicate – Aureolin, Rose Madder, Cobalt Blue

Medium – New. Gamboge, Permanent Rose, French Ultramarine Blue

Strong/Bold – Windsor Yellow, Permanent Alizarine Crimson, Windsor Blue

I rarely use black from a tube.  Nearly any combination of red, blue, and yellow will make some type of black.  I'll use the colors in my painting to make black to limit my palette.

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:iconcmac13:
Cmac13 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015   General Artist
thanks for the great insights - and I agree - black is best
when it's made with colors you're already using in the work  :nod:
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:iconmyshrinkingviolet:
myshrinkingviolet Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
Black paint is a widely misunderstood paint. Lately it's been one of my favorite colors to mix with as I can get velvety blues and greens and reds.
Black can have a powerful vibrancy, so while I don't use it for shading, I certainly use it for emphasis to create stark contrast in my pieces.

I use black in pastel work in much the same ways. It's a lovely pigment, really.
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phantsythat Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I had a look at some of your work and can see you really do know how to use black.

I tend to use whatever seems good at the time. I do have a fine 'lunar black' from
Daniel Smith that breaks in very interesting ways.
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:iconmyshrinkingviolet:
myshrinkingviolet Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
Ah goodness, and this is all OLD art...

I need to post my recent stuff, especially my traditional work (as soon as I get better lighting.) But goodness, black... what a beautiful color, it really is. I've heard some people acutally use the bluer blacks and do a very light wash for skies. I want to try it sometime.

And wow, I haven't heard of Daniel Smith watercolors before! What do you think of them?
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:iconphantsythat:
phantsythat Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
According to Christie's, Bonhams', and Sotheby's the Old art is the best - or at least the most valuable.

I've done blue-black washes for night-time skies myself. That way you can avoid the problem of overwhelming the piece.

Daniel Smith watercolors are excellent - some very unique shades and great color intensity.
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:iconmyshrinkingviolet:
myshrinkingviolet Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
Not even for night-time skies, though, apparently. I guess they were using the lightest wash to get a subtle blueish overcast tone. I wish I could link you to it, but they don't post their work online, ahha XD
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:iconphantsythat:
phantsythat Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's too bad. Sometimes it seems everything is floating around online, doesn't it?
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:icontaintedsilence:
taintedsilence Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2013  Professional Artist
I use black sometimes, but more often paynes grey or vandyke brown.
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LucieOn Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I never use black in watercolor. I used to use Payne's grey instead, but I've stopped too... nowadays I use either indigo or some mix of dioxazine purple and sepia. (Depends on how "warm" or "cold" I want the black colour to be.)
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MagdalenaWolff Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I never use black in watercolour. It depends on the painting, but I often make dark colours from blue and brown mixed together, or from red and green (less often). Sometimes I use indigo and payne's gray, or some sepia... It really depends :D
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kios18 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I do not use black, instead of that I use a mixture of crimson and viridian green or pthalo green, it makes cooler shade, mixture of ultramarine blue and burnt sienna is also good but little muddy, only suitable for little patches & strokes, sometimes I use paynes gray but to mix with other colours, not as a substitute of black.
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Fenny2009 Featured By Owner Mar 17, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
If it's a large block of black that doesn't blend into anything with color - I might use black watercolor paint. Most of the time I prefer to use Thalo Blue mixed with Alizarine Crimson. If that's too much of a blue/black, I'll add in Viridian green. (Grumbacher)
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CrisisHalfPrincess Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
always take blue instead. if it doesn't fit (what doesn't happen often) i take dark brown or red
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:iconithilloth:
Ithilloth Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013   General Artist
so you use pure colors and don't mix them with any other? have you tried mixing them and didn't like the effect or another purpose? <curious> :)
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CrisisHalfPrincess Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i always mix colors, no matter what I'm painting. it sometimes is very exhausting and even stressing because i need so much paper to try out my new mix before painting on the real drawing and i need to hurry because if not i may forget how i made the color mix :D
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CatBatArt Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I never use black in my watercolor. Instead, I mix alizarin crimson and pthalo green, which makes a very rich substitute black.
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GalaCasell Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Student General Artist
i use black
i think black is cool
idk why people say not to use it?? its there for a reason, i mean lol
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:iconithilloth:
Ithilloth Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013   General Artist
In fact if you look carefully at the things around you, you'll discover that there's no perfect black wherever there is some light. Even black things reflect the light in some parts. Sure there are night scenes where it's impossible to avoid using black if you want to be realistic, and it's not always the only right way to avoid it, but most of times replacing black with various dark hues makes the painting more interesting and deeper. Try some experimenting, I bet that you won't regret it :)
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GalaCasell Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Student General Artist
oh yeah, i use others
sometimes
i know there is no perfect black lol but imho it looks gooddddd
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wietrzny Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013   Traditional Artist
i avoid black unles it's black only wash ... though even in wash i experiment with other colours like brown, ultramarine etc.
In "normal" watercolor i substitute black by mixing observation and tricks from color theory: 1)Get any two complementary colors (red + green, blue + orange etc.) 2) any color that appears "black" in nature is either mix of very intensive colours or one very dark tone -> i add this tone to first mix of complementary colours. Usually it will be ultramarine or prussian blue, sometimes burnt sienna, red... This "dark addition" is defined by what i see in nature.

Easier way to get this done is to start "thinking" in CMY color model.
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:iconithilloth:
Ithilloth Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013   General Artist
That's a very good way to limit use of black, I follow it myself :) Anyway, sometimes you can achieve amazing effects also by using more of only one of the two complimentary colours, if you want to make your painting look more vivid and lively. It can work out awesome especially if you want to keep the whole painting in some specific colour scheme.
I also heard that thinking in CMY is good for better understanding colours, there's even such a theory that whole RBY colour theory is wrong because historical painters couldn't achieve magenta colour with the pigments they had - we just follow them although we can invent new ways. Interesting topic to look into.
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:iconwietrzny:
wietrzny Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013   Traditional Artist
You're right about using 2 colors only ... but this is little tricky at the beginning point. And maybe even harder to explain in foreign language.

You can afford 2 complimentary colors while using leningrads :P I looked at Your watercolours ... You use all 3 aspects at once - phisically complimentary colours, psychologically complimentary colours, and relations between neighbouring colours. That's professional way to substitute "black". In such technique 2 colours is enough but either You have studied medieval aesthetics and confronted it with impressionists theories or You spended many hours to achieve it "by accident" :)

Anyway this "color of the world vs colour of paint issue" might be an interesting topic because "NoBlack - technique" is just a peak of an iceberg
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Riana-art Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Professional Artist
I use the complimentary colors, depending on whether I want some cool or warm "black" and a big blopp of either Indigo or dark Purple. Indigo always helps :)
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earth-gurl Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Payne's Grey and Burnt Umber
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:iconmelwilyn:
Melwilyn Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Payne grey, or a mixt of sepia and grey
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:iconsaferdi:
Saferdi Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mostly I use Sepia
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:iconzzen:
zzen Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Replacing with Payne´s Grey
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:iconyasmin88:
Yasmin88 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013   General Artist
A mix of colors that end end not so pure black, it might be more like mud or something gray and blue. But if I was painting something cartoon like I usually use black for the outlines :)
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:iconithilloth:
Ithilloth Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013   General Artist
Have you tried different colours for outlines? I sometimes play with them and use brown for outlining skin and other colours for outlining clothes and hair. There's some hard work with doing it with brush but it softens the image very nicely and gives other interesting effects, not only in watercolour :)
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:iconyasmin88:
Yasmin88 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013   General Artist
I didn't try it yet but it seems interesting now that you mentioned it :meow:
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:icongreensprite:
GreenSprite Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
I most definitely do. I never got why you're "not supposed" to use it. That shit don't make sense :p Sometimes you need to desaturate some colours...and sometimes you really need pure black. It works for me :shrug:
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abasss Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
It's kinda silly to "ban" black. To each its own. At the moment, I'm in a not black phase, but I used black all my life, it worked for me.
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:iconiviemoon:
IvieMoon Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013   Traditional Artist
I always use a mix of Burnt Sienna and French Ultramarine for my blacks.
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Inakunaru-Yagi Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
for cold color:
Prussian Blue
Indigo
Ultramarine Blue

for warm color:
Burnt Umber
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Rssfim Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ultramarine Blue (PB29) + Burnt Umber (PBr7) is the base of the shade. I mix then in order to obtain a nice neutral black. If I want to warm it, I add a bit of Quinacridone Violet (PV19). If I want a cool black, then I add Phthalo Green (PG7).

It works pretty fine! [link]
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clpritchard Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Payne's Grey, Indigo, Burnt Umber, Sepia, something dark, but not black. Unless.

Unless I'm doing a really bold, graphic piece, where I want the starkness of the black. In which case I'll use ink or gouache. Black watercolor is so insipid compared to them.
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Roseprincess1 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
It honestly depends on whats going on in the painting..
if i do its in very small ammounts.. sometimes you need completely black for something in a space painting or something else..
Usually i use it to darken up other colors..
Typically I prefer sepia
and then you add it to what ever color your working with at the time.
it adds a lil more life..
but sometimes you do need solid black.
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:iconpilarouro:
pilarouro Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
dark brown+ purple/bluemarine
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:iconithilloth:
Ithilloth Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013   General Artist
I do use black, but usually I try to limit it as possible. Most of times I use mixes of various blues, browns, sepia and violet, even if I need it very dilluted. Actually, I learned not so long ago that I can replace black with different colours and the painting still can look as I wish :)
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:icontsirel:
tsirel Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
a darker shade of the color i want to darken
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:iconladyrsanti:
LadyRSanti Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
Cobalt and burnt sienna usually.
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:iconkassu91:
Kassu91 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
dark brown or dar blue. depends on the mood i want to set
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:iconlizzardhunter:
lizzardhunter Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Black Indian ink... my personal favorite for simply anything dark, mixes well and isn't as transparent.

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k8lag Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I mix a dark. I either use Permanent Alizarin and Pthalo green (makes an amazing dark) or indigo and burnt sienna works well.
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yakkingyetis Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
any complimentart colors
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:iconjunipersweet:
Junipersweet Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
Mixing dark blue and dark brown
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:iconsturby:
Sturby Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Payne's Gray
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:iconannewipf:
annewipf Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Prussian + Sienna.
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:iconbellagbear:
BellaGBear Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Student Artisan Crafter
yes, but mainly when I use very pronounced line-work in my artworks
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