Evening gents. Longtime lurker, recent official deviant here. I made this account mostly for fun; I'm here to post theories, write stories, and get feedback on what I've written. I'm mostly focused on deconstructions: stories that take apart common stereotypes and paths in stories and examine/show them how they would go in a real-world situation. Be advised, I've got a tendency to ramble a bit; if you ask a question, be prepared for a rather log answer.
With that said, I hope you enjoy!
Hello Warden, I agree with your way of thinking about the Undertale fandom, but in a comment from you, you said that Toriel would have more serious charges than Asgore if they were brought to trial. Could you explain if it were not too much trouble what would be the charges that toriel and the other main monsters would have and how much would be the penance of it? take your time and thank you. (taken from google translator, sorry for any mistake)
Okay; let me break this down for you as much as I can:
First, let's see what the character actually did in game, and their motives:
Papyrus: Attempted to capture the human in a bid for popularity.
Undyne: Attempted to kill Frisk to steal their soul and start a war on the surface, due to her hatred of humanity.
Alphys: Repeatedly risked Frisk's life multiple times for the sake of a role-play in a rather selfish attempt to make herself feel better. She also lied to Asgore concerning her job qualifications so she could make Mettaton a new body, despite the importance of finding was to avoid the slaughter of humans. She also let Frisk wander through the True Lab, which was filled with hostile monsters, alone, as well as held a collection of monsters against their will and neglected to tell their families.
Sans: Repeatedly pretended to be Frisk's friend, only to both take advantage of their trust and often mistreat them during the game; including openly sending a death threat during the Grillby's scene, throwing Frisk's deaths in their face for a laugh, and generally treated them as the butt of his jokes. He also neglected his own duties; including sentry work, and took advantage of Toriel's trust in him, all as a result of his own laziness.
Asgore: Restarted the war and made the declaration for all humans in the underground to die; initially started the slaughter for revenge for Asriel's death, but attempted to back out of it. However, he was unable to call of the war due to the fact that the hope the declaration caused was the only thing keeping his people alive; nonetheless, he attempted to delay the killings as much as possible, and commissioned Alphys to try and find another way out that did not involve slaughter.
Toriel: Fled the kingdom when the war was declared, most likely due to disgust for Asgore's decision. However, she made the decision to stay away when it became clear that the kingdom would fall and everyone would die without her, and she repeatedly both let the first six children go out the door AND neglected to give them the knowledge they needed to escape despite knowing full well what would happen, basically attempted to kidnap Frisk when they tried to leave, assaulted them with fire when they continued to resist, did nothing to help try and find a new way out of the Underground, and then blamed all of the issues on the Underground on Asgore, all out her refusal to admit that she messed up.
Now, let's break down what everyone would be charged with, and what their sentences would possibly be. Keep in mind; these aren't exact, more along the lines of general ideas of what they would likely be facing.
- Charges: Assault of a Minor
- Sentence: Minimum of 5 years in prison.
- Charges: Attempted Murder of a Minor
- Sentence: Minimum is unconfirmed, but Life In Prison is a very real possibility; that being said, parole is still possible.
- Charges: Psychological Abuse of a Minor, Manipulation of a Minor, Criminal Negligence, Fraud, Child Endagerment, Kidnapping
- Sentence: Life In Prison is a VERY real possibility for Alphys; even if she were to get out, she would never be allowed to hold a job, meaning her future is looking very bleak.
- Charges: Psychological Abuse of a Minor, Manipulation of a Minor, Criminal Negligence, Fraud, Child Endangerment
- Sentence: Same as Alphys; Life In Prison is very likely. The amount of shit Sans pulled, coupled with his general personality, means that he's facing a rough future.
- Charges: Capital Murder of 6 Minors, Attempted Murder of a 7th.
- Sentence: Here's where it gets interesting; it's entirely possible for Asgore to not face charges, or at least face significantly reduced charges, for what happened to the children. Given the circumstances surrounding the whole ordeal (Asriel was killed, the war call was in the heat of the moment, monsterkind would die without hope, the barrier having a rather noticeable design flaw, etc.), then it's very likely, assuming the entire case isn't thrown out (which is admittedly unlikely), that Asgore would get a reduced sentence - 15-30 years being a likely possibility. Granted, steeper punishments are possible, including both Life In Prison and the Death Penalty, but that's rather steep given the circumstances. In fact, given that humanity never actually declared peace with monsterkind, instead sealing them behind a barrier, it's possible for the deaths of the children to be put under wartime casualties, which is an area I have little expertise in, sadly.
- Charges: Treason, Second Degree Murder of 6 Minors, Assault of a Minor, Child Abuse, Child Neglect
- Sentence: Life In Prison is the most likely charge; it's very likely that Toriel would never be allowed to see the outside of a prison again, and even if she did eventually get out, she wouldn't be able to get a job, wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a child, and would be facing a poor future at best. Seriously, Toriel is screwed; the frankly insane neglect of the children, her abandonment of her entire race, and her refusal to do anything abut either problem despite it being both her job and well within her power means that she is easily facing the stiffest charges out of the entire cast.
Now, please keep in mind that I'm a bit rusty with my legal expertise; these charges might not be exact, so don't go around claiming that this is a flawless case. Still, I hope it helps!
And to think that there are people who still believe that the monsters did nothing wrong, unless you talk about Asgore, since they even ask to be taken to the chair or to the lethal injection. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply, I really like your answers! I hope to have more of you here and have a nice day!
Thanks, I'm glad to be helpful! And yeah; it is pretty disturbing how the fandom is willing to turn a blind eye to literal child murder and soul-stealing - I've seen similar behaviors in fictional cults, so seeing an IRL fandom act like that's okay is... a bit alarming. Yeah, Undertale is (thankfully) fictional, but there's something genuinely disturbing about how the fandom regards the abuse and murder of six children by a collection of soul-hungry monsters with indifference at best; especially since some members of the fandom have openly stated that child murder is perfectly acceptable if you're "desperate" enough, and that the kids "deserved" to die because all humans are evil, citing the Nazis as proof.
Concerning Asgore; it's pretty obvious that he was meant to be this punching bag character that everyone could attack: he's this bitter old man who caused the death of six kids, and yet is simultaneously is so much of a coward that literally everyone can walk all over him while using his actions in-game as justification. Ironically, he's the only one of the cast members that ends up being likable; a tired old man who desperately wants this nightmare to end, but can't due to the actions of everyone else.
I wish you well in your writing endeavors. Beta Readers are working on the second draft of my book and I have a lot of the same worries you do (and more). Even though Humans only figure in a small part of the story!