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Honest feedback is always appreciated on my stories and flash fiction. I will always, always remind you guys of this. Otherwise I will assume it's horrible and I'll take it down to revise it. Support writers by leaving feedback on their work. Don't just fav and run. Always, always, always.

Give me your honest opinion. You don't have to like it to give me feedback, I enjoy having my writing ripped apart if the critique is well written and proves a point.

And if you faved it... Tell me WHY you liked it instead of just running away.

Because the worst thing is to get nothing. I hate it when writers or artists don't get any feedback when they ask for it, but they get tons of favs. It always wrecks a person's spirit and it's not okay. The whole point of dA is community. So if you feel the same, then please give me at least SOMETHING. Support me. Support writers. Support us. I will give back because I care.

Genuine, real feedback is why I'm here. I like to communicate honestly. If I can't have that anymore, I'm not going to be here on dA.

I might be a "gifted artist" but I'm human too. And I'm a writer first and foremost, and I strongly believe in sharing great art. It's more supportive to give feedback via a comment than a measly fav. I don't care about favs. I care about comments. I care about honest feedback.

So if you do too, support us writers. Don't fall into one worded comments or nothing at all. Because we notice, and for some it can ruin our desire to completely write at all!

And if we go wrong in our writing or go in an unwanted direction, TELL US. We need to know so we can improve.

Ever had this happen to you? Link me your story. Let me give you a real critique. Let me give you real honest feedback. Let's help each other out.

And please, critique my work and do the same. Even if you feel your writing is not on par, or you don't write. Good readers become good writers. Good critiques can change lives.

Viv out.

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Arasteia Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm very guilty of this. I used to always leave comments on things I faved but I've slowly slipped out of the habit. The main two reasons for me are because I now associate critiques (especially literature critiques, since those are what I've been doing in classes for three years) with university, so I become very stressed out trying to write one. The second reason is that I barely read literature at all anymore, in any capacity whatsoever, because somewhere along the line, my concentration absolutely went to heck. I can't really even focus enough to read even a paragraph anymore. Even this status took me a couple of sessions to get through XD But yeah, it's really bad on my part. 
It sucks that you're not getting much good feedback but I do agree with Summer-Peaches - dA is great for art, but it's no good for literature. Honestly, even with art, it's rare to get a critique. dA is a community but it's not a critiquing community :(
Hopefully you do start to get a bit more feedback, maybe here or maybe elsewhere ^^ 
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wow... Ari D: I am so sorry. I had no idea that university could have that sort of effect on someone. Why do you think you lost that ability to concentrate and write critiques, if you don't mind me asking? Is it because of the work load? The people? The curriculum? Because I'm  going into a  Creative Writing degree, and I want to know why that happened so I can prevent it  for myself. D:

I've always done so well here for lit, so to  suddenly have that taken away makes me mad XD But I also have a feeling, it's because I haven't posted enough on here, and I need to associate more with the literature community on here. If I were to find a way to make this account mainly writing, and then incorporate art to support that, is it possible I could support a larger audience and connect more with writers?

Hopefully! I think it will take work, though.
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Arasteia Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's totally okay! :) 

As for losing concentration, I have no idea. I think it's mainly a side-effect of my mental health issues as I've noticed it's gotten worse as they have. It's just kind of me being always tired and brain-fogged. 
The writing critiques anxiety is mostly due to having to write several-hundred-word critiques for three or four different stories (that I never really want to read) every week for four semesters. It just kind of kicks a person's passion for that kind of thing :'D Especially since we have to repeat them out loud to the person who wrote the story, and more recently, have been marked on our critiques. I started really hating doing them and would put them off until the night before and it made it even worse, since I never brought my notes to class and had to remember them off the top of my head. So it's kind of a combination of the repetitive workload and a pressure from having to say them from memory out loud to the person and be marked on them.

Ah that's really awful, I'm sorry to hear that :( But yeah I guess activity has a big impact on that too. And yes I think that's definitely possible! 
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
:tighthug: Take care of yourself if you can! I'm sure you can get over this new-found phobia and enjoy critiques again! T_T

I'm so sorry you're going through all this ;n; :tighthug: Seriously, your professor sounds like he didn't treat you well. I hope they won't force the same thing on me, but then again, US curriculum is probably different than Australian - and I'll have my own things to worry about. I think from what I understand, they will make me write an entire novel in 3 or 6 months in my Master's program - editing and  everything. Which sounds fun, but extremely taxing. XD

Yeah :( It honestly sucks. You're one of the few writers I know who have wrote wonderful critiques for my story. Everyone else either left dA, or became inactive. 

I will see  what I can do! :)
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Arasteia Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hopefully so! :tighthug:
Ah well it's not really the professor's choice, it's the set-out of the unit. And since it's the capstone class I guess they expect a lot of us.
And yeah that's true, you'll probably get different workloads.
Ah yes, Master's is similar here too! I'm not sure I'll do my Masters in arts though, I've been thinking about doing it in science. Yes haha fun but taxing sounds like a pretty much spot on description of what that would be!

Oh that's really awful :( I'm sorry for that! There must be better critique sites out there :ohnoes: 
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh I see. There's been certain studies to show just how counter-intuitive that is for our minds. They say that most people can only handle a maximum of 2-4 hours of focused study time per day, although I say a lot of first world countries break that rule all the time XD

I'll avoid capstone for myself then :O It sounds dreadful. I need a lot of practice writing critiques, but to say them outloud without notes makes no sense anyhow XD

Hopefully! Hey, you were the one who recommended The Critique Circle a while back, am I right? I was thinking of applying for that site. XD Seems like it has good rep.
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Arasteia Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah it would be. I'd be surprised if I did that much study a day actually. I've been at the point lately where I can't focus for more than an hour or so. 
You might not have the capstone units in America. I'm not even sure they have them in other Australian universities XD They're basically just the last class you do in your degree, we just call them 'capstones' XD
Uh I'm not sure? I might've been, but I don't think so since I can't remember knowing anything about it XD It was probably someone else XD
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Understandable :( I've reached the same during very hard points in my life. There was a time where I was so stressed, I struggled just to open a textbook. Eventually I confronted and got the help I needed to survive. But I would definitely recommend trying to find some sort of way to reduce your stress levels. If you need any ideas, just let me know.

I think we do if I recall correctly O: Or maybe we called it cornerstone. I'm not sure XD 

It's possible. I just remember you talking about a group quite similar a while back. Maybe it wasn't  that particular group, but a different  critiquing group. ^^; Either way, I hope you can get through everything okay, and I wish the best of luck for you :hug:
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Summer-Peaches Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I understand the feeling, and so I will give some honest feedback at this exact moment :XD:

I don't think dA is the best place for literature and I don't think it ever will be, not with the flood of visual arts that crowd the front page and the majority of the site. I know personally that usually when I go to dA, it is to read comics or look at drawings rather than read an entire story. I will, at times, read poetry through ^^ However, I don't really know any alternative sites for literature either, so I'm not really good at suggesting ^^;

But yeah, I think dA is definitely visually-focused and that it always will be, so that original literary works are always going to go relatively unnoticed in comparison :( So as for my advice, if you think dA is not the place - search for another site where you can share your literary works and use dA solely for visual works! 

But that's just my two cents :XD:
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Edited Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm glad you can relate. I was worried no one  would comment XD 

Here's my honesty coming back at you. XD For the longest time, I have never had a problem with putting literature up on here. It always gets some kind of feedback. Heck, I receive WAY more favorites and comments than the average literature writer does. Sometimes I get as much as almost 20, or 50 - sometimes my poems can even get close to 100 favorites over a span of time. So I guess in a sense, it's not that I'm not receiving publicity for my work. It's that I'm receiving less than average, and I think some of it has to do with my lack of interaction in the literature community / connecting with people who like to write.

 I've received quite a bit of critiques over time as well. So to see my work so completely ignored all of the sudden, tells me that 1) My writing quality is dropping 2) My audience has a different taste than what I'm providing them. 3) Over time, I have gained the interest of more artists than writers, and most people want to see a comic from me instead of a novel.

There are a few problems with this. 

1) My degree is in creative writing, and I am already signed up to a local writing community.  So therefore, a drop of interest in me writing content means forming a literary audience elsewhere and potentially leaving dA, and I have always believed that bringing the two together, has been beneficial to my work, hence why I have been on dA all these years.

2) I love reading and creating comics, but I do not want to create them for a living. My true passion is writing novels. If I become famous for my comics, then I will never be acknowledged for my true form - and comics are a way for me to showcase my novels. 

3) A divided audience is never a good one. People should know that I create art as well as writing, because that's how I see myself, and I can't play for two different teams, if you get what  I mean XD 

4) If my quality is slipping, I will need to revise for longer periods of time, and double check with a trusted beta-reader. 

Another thing that irritates me, is that I really want somebody to write and revise with, and I don't find that here on dA, so I constantly feel like I waste my time on here when I could be in a writer's forum or something. 

I did have the idea of doing more art with my stories and incorporating  comics and poetry in there... and then a little bit of graphic design as well to make it look fancy XD. That way, everyone's happy and I'm happy. XD What do you think about that? Any thoughts?

Anyway, this is way too long now, so please bear with me. I'm not upset or anything, I'm just thinking XD Your reply definitely doesn't have to be as long as mine XD
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Summer-Peaches Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I getcha, I getcha - but how do you feel about making a dA account solely for writing and one for visual art?? Or if you're not interested in making visual art so much, just dedicate your dA to writing? I know you don't want to be divided, but you're bound to attract one over the other if you put them into a single account :') The people who read your literature are most likely going to be mostly interested in literature, whereas the people who are interested in comics will tend to read just those. It's hard to find someone who is interested in it ALL and wants to dedicate themselves to too many big projects at a time. Also - how active in the community are you?  Maybe stepping out a bit more might be beneficial??

A drop in comments might be more related to dA than a drop in your quality. Although I would argue the site is still very much alive, perhaps certain aspects of it aren't! I'm not really familiar with writer's sites, I admit :') 
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Managing two accounts at once becomes super messy really fast. Although it's not a bad idea to forego visual art for solely writing on dA (especially since these days I mainly a writer) I have to keep in mind that my good work is going to literary magazines anyway and my art has always been good publicity with writing. 

Ah! I had another idea. How about this. I use this account as mainly a writing one... with the focus heavy on poetry, flash fiction, and short story - but  since I plan on graphic designing book covers for others, to also incorporate book cover designs for every story that I write. Then, for every story - there will be one comic that is created for it, and one painting that is created for the story itself. To also practice my graphic design skills, I will graphic design every single poem that I make from scratch, and compile poetry themes together into a PDF document. That way, I can still draw and design because I love it - but I will mainly be seen as a writer - and then the rest of my pictures that don't pertain to comics can go on my Instagram. That way, I can point this account towards a more writing-based without having to completely do a 100 paged comic. And there are a lot of people out there, who like visuals and graphics, who I try to reach out to, as well. Do you think that'll draw the right attention?

I am actually (surprisingly) not terribly active on dA atm. I still gain quite a bit of attention because a lot of my friends are really well known on here. I just don't gain a lot of follows - just like one or two, here or there XD
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R-Doll Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I know that feeling to an extent. 

Most of the time with pics, I usually leave a few words down bc it's honestly convenient and fast. It gives me time to look at the other works of art, too. When I'm serious and more engaged, I tend to leave a paragraph or so of creative analysis/thought bc there's so much to be seen and loved.

This is especially true when I review/had reviewed fanfics. I want to give writers praise for what they did brilliantly and converse on what they could do better. It also helps to ask questions imo about why or how certain story elements worked.

I appreciate the favs. too but I'm open to people questioning my OCs. on appearances, backstories, motives, etc. It would be nice to get my OCs some attention as well as critiques.

We're all artists. Our art is out there to be enjoyed and constructively criticized, too. This community is too much at times, but it would good to hear from the people who take time to commit to one's art. Aren't watchers suppose to, to a degree, comment on art?
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly, despite what I've said up there - I really don't mind one worded replies when it comes to art or anything to do with drawing. But when it comes to writing, I want to hear how the reader is invoked or whether or not the story is gripping. I guess as a writer, I love honest feedback - and even if a person hates a story, I want to hear it because at least it made  somebody feel something. 

True. I always try to my two sides of how I feel, but sometimes I find that honesty is the best tool for writing. I love critiques that takes a work and just completely tears it apart with no mercy - people could think me a sadist for feeling that way, but the more intricate the critique, the better. 

I do appreciate favs too, I won't doubt that. I just get a little frustrated when I get like 10 favorites, and then no comments. It makes me  feel like everyone is trying to purposely avoid offending me, and it's very hard to.

Constructive critiquing is important, haha! You know, if you ever want a constructive critique on any of your writing, just let me know and I'll whip up something. I promise I'll state the good too ;P
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R-Doll Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm glad to have mostly encountered open-minded writers/artists like you so far. I have yet to find a writer/an artist who retaliates against my criticism. Probably because I tend to be mostly a nice guy who does not want to unintentionally offend anyone. I know, when I read a story, that it is good when certain feelings are stirred. When it's bad, I tend to cringe and try to make my own sense of it.

I once read this fanfic once that went by so quickly without much explanation. Pretty much a rush piece imo where the plot jumps too quickly into the interesting parts without actual interest built up in the beginning. I'm sorry if that explanation was ranty. 

Me. I just want take time if I can to give meaningful comments. Purposefully avoid offending? Yeah, that's me, too bc everyone develops differently. I keep that consideration in mind unless someone I see has awful art or personality. I'm not great myself but I do what I can to improve. Plus with friends, I'm a little weird with sometimes because I like to keep them. 

Writing? I assume you mean my poetry and potential short stories, right? I wouldn't mind you checking out some of my OC bios if you're up for it.
Also, thank you for the list of LGBT+ books. I've started reading "Annie on My Mind". I'm enjoying the smooth motion of the plot so far. 
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Vivyi Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
That's very understandable. I don't like to offend people either - but I also don't want to crush their spirits unintentionally with what I'm writing, which is why I try to be as gentle yet assuring as possible. Although I'm not a fan of sugar coating the things that people need to work on either, just because it  distracts from the honesty of the feedback - but there is a way to write a critique that isn't offensive, and yet gives great depth to what they do.

Nah, you're good. Rushed work is never a good thing - while it is good to jump straight into the middle of an conflict and then solve it - constant conflict with no resolution gives no people a sign of breath. It's also not good to make the conflicts of your beginning bigger than the conflicts of your end unless you're working a mystery novel or a crime novel. Stories gradual structure to survive.

I feel meaningful comments are better than none :nod: Ah, no worries XD I'm weird with my friends too. Sorry if I haven't been able to Skype all day either, I'm doing homework as I type these comments, and I have 50 billion things to read tonight XD

Sure :) Have any in regards that you struggle with? Let me know what I need to look at :D

You're welcome <3 I'm glad you're enjoying Annie on My Mind! That's one of my favorites! :love:
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