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Scipia's avatar
I don't really like the idea of an european state, but your map is interesting :) but why England stay nearly united, when France is divided into many small regions ^^ ? There is also regional identities in England, and "central north France" (Ile de France, Champagne, Vallée de la Loire) didn't really have strong regional identity, I don't even think that Champagne could be considered as a "viable" independant state, even if I love this region ^^'
LoreC10's avatar
Dunque vediamo, l'unica regione dell'Europa continentale che non segue i confini linguistici (ovviamente a suo pieno favore) è....ah si ecco...il Piemonte *LOL* :XD:
Uslengh's avatar
Non esattamente, certo la mia volontà risalta gagliarda, ma a ben vedere la Lunigiana gallitalica resta alla Toscana, la Pomerania è mezza slava e mezza germanica, la Frisia non è staccata dall'Olanda, la Bretagna è mezza celtica e mezza oïl. Il Piemonte da solo non può stare, sarebbe insulso, invece con Val d'Aosta e Savoia (franco-provenzali) e Nizza (che parla un occitano misto con piemontese e alcuni tratti italici) sarebbe lo storico e magnifico trio a cavallo delle Alpi. Inoltre è molto europeista fare stati a cavallo delle attuali suddivisioni, personalmente malsopporto il confine italo-francese perchè so bene che sui due fronti abita la stessa gente, con 700 e rotti anni di storia in comune.
LoreC10's avatar
le regioni interessate ringraziano...forse...
Ma onde evitare critiche sulle ripartizioni create sarebbe meglio probabilmente attenersi ad un singolo criterio.
Poi magari se sono gli stessi popoli a cavallo fra confini linguistici a chiedere di essere uniti uno può anche fare delle eccezioni, tuttavia temo che quella che è percepita come identità Sabauda comune in Italia, in Francia si limiti a un fatto storico (nemmeno tanto ben ricordato), al limite si può dire che ci sia una comunanza tra Savoia e Nizza da sole, ma giusto perché si trovano nello stesso paese :P
Uslengh's avatar
Su questo hai ragione, ed è proprio su questo punto che c'è un lavoro da fare se uno volesse prendere seriamente questa idea di euroregione a cavallo delle Alpi.
LoreC10's avatar
mmh la vedo dura sai, i francesi, sopratutto le istituzioni francesi, non sono molto attente ai temi identitari, dunque penso sia difficile convincerli a fare un lavoro del genere 
nanwe01's avatar
Now now, putting Valencians in the same state as Catalans is a sure way to get trolled on the Internet :p Seriously, back in the 1980s, the identity fights between pan-Catalanists and anti-Catalan Valencianists resulted in bombings and stuff.

So is putting the Navarrese with Basques.
Uslengh's avatar
I didn't know there was so much hatred. I may change the asset of Spanish regionalization, maybe leaving independent the Balearic Islands and the Valencian Community. Btw Navarra can't stand alone, would you suggest to put it as a canton of Aragon or a canton of Castille?
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Honestly? It's hard to say. The Balearic Islands don't have an identity built on 'not being Catalans' like the Valencians do, but then again due to isolation and the fact that the islands were populated with people from the Rosellon as opposed to a more central part of Catalonia also separates them from Catalonia. 

As for Navarra... ufff. You could do with splitting it between the Basque-speaking north (which is very vasquista anyway) and the rest of the territory. But the issue is that neither Aragon not Navarra any longer speak Navarro-Aragonese, except for some villages in northern Huesca, so they just speak Spanish with a few odd-sounding things (mispronunciation of certain words, diminutive in -ico instead of -ito/-illo). But I think culturally *maybe* Aragon makes more sense. But regional identities in Spain are a mess anyway.
Uslengh's avatar
I can split the Paisos Catalans into three countries, and then put Navarra with Aragon. This regionalization doesn't involve very much the actual vitality of the languages. It's just a regionalization with some historical meaning in order to avoid any kind of hegemony of a European member state. Actually I was observing that a unified Paisos Catalans, with even some pretensions towards southern France would be very hegemonic, at least towards the rest of Iberia.
nanwe01's avatar
Yes. Although I don't think those who add Occitania to the Països Catalans seek to make them a part of the Països, but rather a weird federation, but that's radical even for the sometimes really radical positions of pan-Catalanists who also seek to annex the city of Algher in Sardinia.
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