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USA ~ 'Betsy Ross' Grunge Flag (1777 - 1795) by Undevicesimus USA ~ 'Betsy Ross' Grunge Flag (1777 - 1795) by Undevicesimus
The USA, formally known as the United States of America, emerged from the original Thirteen Colonies established by the British between 1603 and 1733. Its disputes over increased independence and representation within the British Empire (‘no taxation without representation’) led to the formation of a Continental Congress and the Declaration of Independence in 1776. The new USA staged the world’s first successful independence war against a colonial empire. Throughout the nineteenth century, the USA embarked on a massive campaign of expansion, conquering ever more lands, displacing or liquidating native tribes and establishing new member states. By 1900 and despite a devastating civil war (1861 – 1865), the USA extended from the Atlantic to the Pacific, boasted the largest economy in the world and was confirmed as a military power in the Spanish-American War and First World War. It became a super power (along with the USSR) following the Second World War and, despite the resurging power of China and post-Soviet Russia, has retained much of its power and global influence at the dawn of the twenty-first century.

The original flag of the USA, known as ‘Betsy Ross’, was first flown in 1777. It consisted of thirteen horizontal stripes of alternating red and white, with a blue canton displaying a circle of thirteen stars to represent the country’s founding states. The design was similar to that of the British East India Company and was in use until 1795.

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SickleClaw1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2016
There was no 'liquidation' of the native tribes. The Indians were nomadic in nature and did more than their own share of displacement.
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RoseThornThicket Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2015  Student General Artist
*Ac 3 memories*
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RoseThornThicket Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2015  Student General Artist
*Ac 3 memories*
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SquallLion1 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
interesting : stars around a circle...
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HeliosMegistos Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
I've always found the early history of the United States and the Revolution itself interesting, especially when you do some digging and discover that the Revolution wasn't a black and white conflict for freedom and justice like the average American would have you believe.

Lots of hypocrisy and ulterior motives were involved with the conflict and the lead up to it. A very clear case of the victory writing history at anyrate.
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SickleClaw1 Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2016
False. The American Revolution was indeed a black and white conflict between freedom and tyranny. If you study the real history of the American Republic, you will find that it paints a fairer and far more positive, and honorable picture of the nation than the anti-American, historical revisionist dreck that is popular these days. If history was written by the victors, then myths like the Lost Cause and revisionism about the American Revolution and WWII wouldn't persist to this day.
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HeliosMegistos Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2016
History is "Largely" written by the victors although not the an absolute degree, sometimes the victors can't white wash everything (WWII and beyound) or due to technology the losers and revisionist can still challenge the narrative and of course their are always enduring myths like holocaust denial and Lost Causers etc.

The American Revolution however WAS NOT a black and white affair and that is fact, and American pride and arrogance won't change that. Those you call revisionist in this case are not always wrong, not all revision is bad as we have learnt when new evidence forces us to rethink what we know (cases like Roman and Ancient Egypt for example) and so on and that's what's happened with the American Revolution, was it justified? yes but was it as simple as a war against Tyranny? no it wasn't especially when you consider not everything the Brits did was tyrannical and indeed some of if was actually fairly reasonable given things at the time and of course George III was no tyrant he wasn't even an absolute monarch it was Parliament that had most of the power.
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Student Digital Artist
True, yes.
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Navijunior Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
This is cool, like everything you post! I love learning about these cool things in history!
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well then, I love that you love learning history ^^
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Navijunior Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
Yay!
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Haegun Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
To my mind, the Grand Union flag was the best looking we've ever had. I fly it every Independence Day, and on Washington's Birthday.
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Haegun Featured By Owner Edited Mar 8, 2015
Oops, put it in wrong place
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I sincerely believe this should've been kept as the US flag. It looks so much better than any of the successive versions, right down to the present-day flag.
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Haegun Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
There were some interesting flags where the stars were arranged in interesting shapes, before a more rigid conformity was imposed.
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Yea, but no design defeats the circle of 13 stars... They should've kept it no matter how many states joined. ^^
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aftertheotheruse Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Like the EU? Just because of tradition, right?
I agree completely with both. (Personally I'd prefer Grand Union as Navy Jack if we couldn't as National Flag.)
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Yea exactly :) 
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RevealedFromtheVoy Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
What did happen after 1795 for them to remove the flag ?
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
More states were added to the union, so they changed the design to signify that.
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RevealedFromtheVoy Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, okay. Seems legit.
Will you do some Civil War flags, ou l'as-tu déjà fait ? Stp.
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Well I did the Confederacy's "Blood-stained Banner", which was the last of the 3 Confederate flags (they adopted it in March 1865, when the war was nearly lost). I didn't find any version on the internet that was completely correct (mathematically) according to the Confederacy's Flag Act, so I made a 100% correct version myself :XD: Here it is: CSA ~ Grunge Flag (1865)

I don't know many other Civil War flags... Like regimental flags and stuff... The USA used the standard Union-flag (just with a different number of stars), and the CSA used 3 successive flags, as I mentioned. Maybe I can do the other two, we'll see :)
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RevealedFromtheVoy Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, okay. Very cool !
Do as you want, I'll always enjoy your works and explanations :D
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Good to know ^^
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Haegun Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015
This just in, Betsy Ross designed EU flag.

;^)
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
:D
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TRunna Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014

Although she may have made a flag or two in her day, it is likely Betsy Ross never designed or make the first US flag.  The most likely designer was a guy named Francis Hopkinson...he also gave us the Great Seal.  The "Betsy Ross Myth" was made up by her grandson about 90 years after the fact.  

The 13 stars and 13 stripes represent the first 13 states.  The plan was to add a star and a stripe to the flag for each new state.  By the time they got to 17 stripes they finally figured out that would not work.  So they went back to 13 stripes for the 13 colonies that became the first states and added a star to the canton for each state...fifty to date. 

But I do agree with you...this is a much better composition than our current flag.  

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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yes I know the Betsy Ross story is more of a legend than an actual event, but the flag is very famous under that name (at least here) ^^
Every revolution, movement or new country immediately needs heroic stories and myths to bolster their cause.

The original symbolism of flags is always fascinating. I didn't know about that idea of adding a star and a stripe for each new state... A cool anecdote :)
I actually almost want to open Photoshop now and make a flag like that just to see how it looks XD
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TRunna Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2014

The flags of most nations have a standard ratio of width to height.  Ours is 1:1.09 but the Star Spangled Banner that flew during the War of 1812 and is the source of out national anthem had 15 stripes and they just added the last two stripes to change that ratio.  A flag with 50 stripes would look silly, so 13 stripes is what we have.  The last 2 stars were added in 1959 when Alaska and Hawaii became states.  Not likely there will be any more stars added unless one of the territories become states...and the only one likely to is Puerto Rico.    

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Haegun Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015
There was a flag designed with 17 stars and 17 stripes, but it never went anywhere.  That may have been the straw that broke that camel's back. 
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TRunna Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2015
I think that prototype was what changed the formula to 13 stripes and a new star for every state.  
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Haegun Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2015
At one point I tried to find some contemporary discussion on this point, but came up empty.
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Didn't know that either about the flag of the War of 1812 but I did know about the last two states and stars ^^
If Puerto Rico ever becomes a state, I wonder how they will (re)arrange the stars.

What do you think of the CSA's 'Blood-Stained Banner', design-wise?
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TRunna Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2014

The ‘Star Spangled Banner’ that flew over Fort McHenry in 1812, was 30 feet by 42 feet and in now (or what is left of it) in the Smithsonian. 

Adding a star is always a problem in geometry.  It is easier if there is an even number.  When the 14th state (Vermont) became a state they added a star in the middle of the circle of stars.  At one point the stars were in the shape of a star.  Another time there were even numbered star rows except for the middle row which was one less.  For about 3 months (before Hawaii) there was a 49 star flag and that is quite rare and valuable now. 

CSA’s Blood Stained Banner is, I think, a poor design.  It seems more about symbolism than anything else.  Few people here would even know about it as it was the 3rd version of the CSA flag.  Mostly here it is the “Confederate Flag” that is remembered and recognized.  But now that has more of a racial or segregation symbolism than a Civil War flag.  

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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Oh, that flag's in the Smithsonian? Had I known, I would've visited it when I was in DC. Damnit ^^

Yes, yesterday I looked through all the different US flags, but none really beats the Betsy Ross design. Don't know why, but it looks great. There's a nice-looking 51-star US flag proposed by some political party in Puerto Rico if it becomes a state: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_…

And on reddit, there was a US flag with 1 big star and "x51" written next to it, as solution if a 51st state is added to the Union ^^
i.imgur.com/9RY7g.png

About the CSA flags... I don't know... Design-wise, I like the Blood Stained Banner, but I don't think it would be good as a national flag. It looks more like a naval flag to me. And the (in)famous Confederate battle flag is so 'stained', but in a very weird way. Not like the Nazi German flag. Most people here in Europe are 'afraid' of that flag, it's nothing to joke about because it's mostly seen as a horrible symbol of racial, genocidal tyranny. But it seems many people in Europe consider the CSA battle flag some kind of "idiotic-villain"-flag, the symbol of a backward idea/society which is embodied today by the stereotype rednecks & hillbillies of Alabama and such places: a kind of people that are so supremely stupid, you can only laugh at and ignore them. Whereas the historical CSA-leaders were anything but supremely stupid, I think. People don't really know about the CSA and the American Civil War here... I would like to know more about how that is all viewed in the USA today.
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TRunna Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014

I think the Star Spangled Banner will only be on display for a few more years and then go back into storage.  It is so huge and can no longer be hung so it is hard to display.  It was conserved and cleaned a few years ago in preparation for the centennial.  And I do agree, the best design we have ever had over the years was the Betsy Ross flag. 

Where you live pretty much determines how you view the Civil War.  Most still think it was all about freeing the slaves, but it really was about preserving the Union.  Emancipation came late in the war, sometime in the 3rd year and was an attempt to force an end to conflict.  There are places in the south where it is called “The War of Northern Aggression”.  They still honor the Confederate Flag.   There are still some areas where racial conflicts can be found...and even some in the northern states.  

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TheBrassGlass Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional General Artist
Very nice! :D
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yea :la:
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DAK-Rommel Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013
It certainly looks better than the modern flag.
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Undevicesimus Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Kind of yes, the circle of stars gives it more style than the "box of stars" (:
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DAK-Rommel Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013
Exactly! :D
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