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Anti-Aircraft Cruiser-Battleship USS Kentucky by Tzoli Anti-Aircraft Cruiser-Battleship USS Kentucky by Tzoli
This is a drawing for a friend of mine who is very knowledgable and very likes the USN warships.

Soon after the war a multitude of programs, ideas and plans were drawn up to how to finish the last two battleships of the Iowa class: the USS Illinois and the USS Kentucky of out of which Kentucky was in a more advanced state of construction. In 1945/46 Admiral King and Admiral Chester Nimitz proposed a modification for the Illinois improving it's AA capabilities by redesigning the placements of her 5"/38, 40mm and 20mm AA guns:
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Later in 1948 plans were drawn up to convert the Kentucky into an Anti-Aircraft Battleship with large amounts of 5"/54 and 3"/70 AA guns with the replacement of the 16" gun turrets with 2, 3 or 4 quadruple 8" RF gun turrets the same guns used on the Des Moines class heavy cruisers, essentially turning the ship into a battleship sized and armoured but cruiser armed vessel: Not heavy cruiser, not battleship and nether battlecruiser! Because of this I choose to name cruiser-Battleship the early designation of the Battlecruiser and similar armed designs of battleship size but armoured cruiser weaponry.
The design became lighter than the original Iowa class battleships but that much lighter because part of the saved tonnage used for thickening the deck armour and the large number of gun turrets and their barbettes too were added quite the extra weight.
By the documents system at least 8 projects (Schemes A through H) were proposed but drawings and data are only available about the last 3 with two, three and four quad turrets and a varying amount of 5"/54 and 3"/70 AA guns.
I've chosen the 3 turreted Scheme G.

The design had the following characteristics:
Dimensions: 262,1 (wl) 270,4 (oa) x 33 x 10,6m 
Displacement: 45.000tons (standard), 52.000tons (full load)
Armour: 208mm Deck, 310mm Belt
Engines: 212.000shp, 4 shafts
Speed: 60km/h (32,5knots)
Range: 27.800km at 28km/h (15.000nm at 15knots)
Armaments: 
3x4 203mm/55 RF Mark 16 Guns,
16x2 127mm/54
Mark 16 DP-AA Guns,
6x2 76mm/70 Mark 23 AA Guns

Original documents showing information on the design:
Scheme F:
imgur.com/y8O7M37
imgur.com/Ip70mAp
Scheme G:
imgur.com/RKAKvLp
Scheme H:
imgur.com/gAPTWQJ
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Edited 3 days ago
I'm curious: are rangefinders those above the aft pair of 5in guns, abaft the tower on top of which is the aft radar and fire control sistem? I just wanted to know since I0m making a model out of it. Your drawings are perfect for this kind of things Wink/Razz :D (Big Grin) 
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes they are very similar to the British MRS-3 system which were based heavily on the USN Mk 56 GFCS
www.shapeways.com/product/265C…
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
Thank you very much! I didn't know you knew shapeways. I have a shop there.
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I just stumble upon that site when I search for equipment drawings but as they don't provide top and side views I don't find them useful
but sometimes I can check the little details.
I only draw not build these ships.
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner 2 days ago
Oh well I do that with your drawings ;) if you don't mind. I really love your works and I find them very useful to build paper ships.
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TutTutTut Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2018
Very nicely done.  In many ways this reminds me of all the Navy concept drawings for modernizing the Iowa-class ships in the 80-90s; VLS missle systems, Harrier jump jet ramps, nuclear power, etc.
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The jump jet ramps and amphibious assault ship proposals were from the 1970's mostly, the VLS conversion was from the mid 1990's after the Gulf War:
But there were no Nuclear powered conversion proposal! It would had been way too expensive!
They did carry 16" Nuclear shells and the Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles too could be fitted with such warheads but no Nuclear propulsion considered accordign to my and my friend's knowledge!
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2018
I was doing some research on this ship and I wondered: how did you classify it in your Excel file? I can't find it 
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
BBAA - Anti Aircraft Battleship
It might not in it yet.
When did you saved the excel file?
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
I think quite a while ago. Some months at least.
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Try download now
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2018
Now's good ^^
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Deodand2014 Featured By Owner Edited May 27, 2018
Quite an elegant recycling of an existing unfinished hull. I'm guessing that a similar reworking would have been carried out on the USS Illinois (BB-65) had the Kentucky been converted in this way. It would have been interesting to see how they would have worked out in practice, especially during the Korean War.


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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner May 27, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Illinois was less advanced in construction only finished partly to some decks, not even the hull was finished so it could not be launched without considerable costs.
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner May 25, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Not a bad design.
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:iconheart-und-seoul:
Heart-und-Seoul Featured By Owner May 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
A lovely design, I must say; compact and balanced
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner May 22, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The USN Engineers and designers know what they were doing even thought this was only a sketch design!
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Dilandu Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018
Hm! Very interesting!

P.S. Coinsidentaly, the "Zeus" anti-aircraft fin-stabilized beam-riding shell was under development in roughly the same time period... late 1940s. Maybe this design were supposed to make use of those shells?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
According to the wikipedia, most likely
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2018
"However the drawings style and the hand written text in the lower right corner indicates this is an official “Spring Style”. Scheme “F” is the two quad turret varian, “G” is with three and “H” with four such mounts".  

What does "spring style" mean?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a set of documents. They show the various design studies the General Board ordered, most of the works can be found here, but there are missing books and missing documents:
www.shipscribe.com/styles/inde…
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Armory18 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018
Also this was ment to shot the SAM-N-8 Zeus gun launch missile.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM-N-8_…
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
More like guided munitions but seems correct
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:iconalfredo555:
Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2018
Looking forward to seeing your next job.
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TSofian Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
I could see this having Talos or Terrier launchers aft. 
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oboy220 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2018
Cool, but chances are this desing would have probably be decommisioned along side most heavy cruisers in the beggining of the sixties.
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1956 proposal: 2x1 Polaris Launchers (16 missiles altogether horizontally stored)
4x2 Talos Launchers (80 missiles each, 320 altogether)
12x1 Tartar Launchers (42 missiles each 504 altogether)

Considered unrealistic because the 20x director radars would interfere with each other so launchers reduced to 2 Talos and 4 Tartar
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Besides the eight projects you are talking about to take advantage of the two helmets of the last battleships of the Iowa class (Designs A - H), there were more projects to use the quadruple towers of 203 mm 8 inches?  Thanks.
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Not that I've know of
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Thanks
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Now I wonder, what use would it have? Escort of aircraft carrier? Coastal bombing? I can not imagine the price of that ship, but I suppose that two or three antiaircraft cruisers could be built with the price of this ship ... It's an incredible design. A kind of "missing link" between a battleship and a cruiser ...
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Experience of the Kamikaze attacks in the late stages of WW2 the advent of fast jet aircraft and cruise missiles, where the smaller calibre 40mm and 20mm and the older 5"/38 could barely or not cope with these targets, saturation of an area with this much modern guns guarantee the destruction of hostile enemy targets.

Your missing link is the Armoured Cruiser and the Battlecruiser.
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Thanks.
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018

Magnificent. Really impressive. I had never seen anything like it. The displacement is of battleship, the hull is of battleship, but the appearance is that of a gigantic cruiser. The armament is that of a huge cruise, but a cruise. I can think of a hundred comments, but I will reflect on them. Thanks for your contributions and for your illustrations. It is a magnificent work.
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Midway2009 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome design. :D
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eltf177 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
If the 8-inch battery has sufficient elevation for AA use it would be deadly, otherwise might these carry the twin 6-inch DP gun installed on CLAA Worcester?
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Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The penetration power and range of the 8inch guns are much superior
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eltf177 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Agreed, especially being fully-automatic with a high ROF...
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Very unique design, but I haven't understand if the quadruple 8in is a dual purpose or a standard cruiser gun. By the way, these are the same developed for Des Moines?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The same gun
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:iconyamato74:
yamato74 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
Wow that sure would have been a hard-hitting ship
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Affeks Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018
Well the US wanted shore bombardement alright. Im guessing that and AA escort duties were intended. 

I still think just running 16" or even 12/14" would have been far better for most roles the US wanted such ships to fill. Slapping this many CA guns on Iowa hull seems interesting, but only screams naval architects wet dream haha. 

Despite that though, looking forward to seeing this finished ;)
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uglygosling Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018
Are those 5" 54s as secondary armament?
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
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Alfredo555 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018

Wishing to know length and displacement...
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Soon
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TSofian Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018
With all that AAA she will need a few more AA directors
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:icontzoli:
Tzoli Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is all the AA directors. The 3" guns had their own integrated into the turret aka GUNAR
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115USMValor Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Student Writer
Very nice, Keep up the great work.
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