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Tapered Fingers for Feminine Hands

Wed Nov 8, 2017, 2:05 AM

Tapered fingers: Pygmalean ideal?

Or, just some fetish of mine?

My memory insists that, in the course of my life,
at least four times have I met a girl
—whom I found extremely attractive!—
with fingers more tapered than any that I find
by searching photographs with keywords like
Thai or Balinese, hands or fingers or dancers,
but, here is a nice example:

Thai hands of Kun Fatpenquin
Exhibit A:   Dancing hands of Kun Fatpenquin photographed by Kae Burke.
[Thank you; thank you.]

Idealized hands with pointy fingers, you can find on palmistry sites,
where they are referred to as “psychic”: e.g.
  the Psychic Hand [is an] extreme version of the conic hand.

To quantify taper: how?

There are two ways I can think of for measuring the degree of taper.
  • One, is a ratio of widths: e.g. 2nd and 3rd joints,
    on index or on middle finger, across.
  • Another, is to measure the tapering angle.
After hours of searching among online photographs, what I find is that
  • width ratios of knuckle 2 over knuckle 3 do not go beyond 1.3;
  • angles seem to cluster around 7º, or, exceptionally, as high as 9º.
For example, from Wikimedia Commons, I get this here Mid2/Mid3 ratio of 1.29, and a tapering angle of 9º :     Tapered fingers, from Wikipedia. Remarkably, you are more likely to find long and tapered fingers amongst the most branch-swinging of monkeys:     Young spider monkey, showing long tapered fingers and almond-shaped nails. Which suits me just fine, since the humanoids I’m thinking of, grab rope. A lot. Take a look at this one-diagram summary of hands, across all primates. Hand of Victoria 4.2 Here is the default hand of Victoria 4.2 by DAZ:     Surprisingly ugly for a wannabe glamour puss, don’t you think? [After decades of refinement, I mean, by professional artists.] Other than tint, all I’ve done is pose her fingers a bit flatter than her standard “zero” pose. Her nails are at standard length. Next is the same hand, same pose, with Aiko4’s Tapered Fingers morph at 80% (any more than that, crosses from girlish to ghoulish, says I):     A better(?) option is Hands Smooth at 100%, from that same morph set:     Standard Hand of G2f G2f (Genesis 2, Female) at “zero” pose, holds her hands flat, so all I did here was tint, and slide her Long Nails morph to 40%:     Certainly better than default V4, but, what’s wrong with her pinky? And, those knuckles? Are we seeing the first signs of rheumatoid arthritis? G3f and beyond After G2f comes G3f, and, on that base, Victoria 7, portrayed as a vamp in her late twenties / early thirties. Of DAZ’s Victorias up to that point, I would agree that V7’s face is the most convincing and expressive; but, look at her fingers:     Are these, to you, irresistibly must-hold, must-kiss, caress? Or more like, kiss the dear granny? Fast forward to Genesis 8, with emphasis not on glamour, but on down-to-earth realism:     More of the same, right? To DAZ’s defense, I attest that Renaissance masters loved to portray prominent knuckles, unflattering bends —even on hands of graces, Aphrodite; Virgin Mary! Mona Lisa’s fingers look to me like Frankfurter sausages:     Mona Lisas’s hands         [Wikimedia Commons] Of course, if I look at my own fingers, with visible signs of arthritis, they could be likened to franks on the barbie! Contrast my dear cousin Matilde —first of the four ladies I had in mind in my opening sentence— whose spittin’ image was drawn by tigr3ss (thank you!):

example of attractive lady with feminine hands
Do we have essence of femininity here, or what!
She even has her index finger slightly longer than her ring finger,
as befits a feminine human hand.
Targeting virtual 3D dolls built to be attractive and convincing, commercial artists have created tons of morph- and pose- packages, of which a fair number focus on hands, yet I have yet to see a single promo image showing fingers resembling Matilde’s. But prithee, dear Reader, if you are female, and find that your hands do not resemble these here:     Human fingers considered excessively long: Aracnodactyly!         [Wikimedia Commons] breathe easy, for such fingers are long enough (and palms narrow enough) that medics classify them as a malformation, with a hideous label: Aracnodactyly!     [Otherwise known as Dolychodactyly: better, yes?] A bit much, even for me:

Humanoid fingers suitable for a frog
But: well done, and, befitting!
Conclusion? DAZ continues to release new bases and more down-to-earth Victorias. Meanwhile, Manuel Bastioni is upgrading his Lab, to impressive new heights; by the time he reaches version 1.8, his offerings will probably become irresistible to me, to the point that he may well wean me off of DAZ entirely. Until then, I’m sticking with G2f, in the following manner:
  1. Load a G2f base in DAZ Studio.
  2. Because I’ve been working on this for some time,
    said base loads with several Clone morphs, notably: V4
    (including some morphs from Aiko4), Kids (fourth generation, contemporary with V4); Genesis;
    plus two Uv sets, able to receive textures (some, converted) from V4 Elite and elsewhere.
    Also, I own a couple of morph packages for G2f, and the pre-teen Skyler for G2f,
    and, with all of them loaded, I start sliding them sliders until I ask DAZ Studio
    to Adjust rigging to shape.   [Blessed option: thank you!]
  3. At that point, I’m ready to bring in a DAZ Studio preset that instantly scales,
    and even slightly displaces, bones in the figure’s skeleton, including the 18 bones
    of each hand, so that, now, I have a character with what I consider to be
    more ideal female proportions, including tapered feminine fingers,
    ready to be further tweaked and then exported to Blender!
      [If this obsession of mine, with upfront and gracile femininity,
      comes across to you like male chauvinism,
      rest assured that it is actually, au contraire: autogynephilia!]
  4. Once in Blender, there is no turning back,
    but in the export process I make sure to carry over some morphs having to do with facial expressions.
    This can be achieved nowadays, with .fbx export/import. The morphs show up in Blender as shapekeys.
    The material settings carry over to Cycles nodes, either as part of the transfer process,
    or with the help of Casual Jacques’ excellent TéléBlender system.
  5. Of late I’m being seduced by the Pitchipoy Rig, version 0.5,
    which is horribly complex, but oh so powerful, so well integrated into Blender, and,
    because Blender developers have, in fact, committed to it, has become a de facto standard; plus,
    now Khalibloo is automating a translation from the various DAZ rigs to Pitchipoy 0.5, so,
    with that, I’m taking the plunge of trying to make a talk library for my own “anthro” characters.
Anyway; back to fingers, here is a sample of what I consider acceptable for my own young-looking females   [if you hover over the image, the hand moves]:



P.S. For real and lively women, I’m all in favor of long nails, especially if
they grow straight, or with a slight upwards curve (as opposed to claw-like),
and are cut to an ogival tip (as opposed to cross-cut).
They give an excellent opportunity for color and creative patterns (but never dark, please!);
statically, they impart a geometric illusion of the kind I’m advocating here,
but, more importantly, the hands on which long unbroken fingernails have grown,
such hands move in a manner so graceful that they are a joy to watch!

Of course, CG women don’t need to pretend, and for this reason I have held back on nail length in my CG examples!

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:icongerberc:
gerberc Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2018
Thanks for the fav!
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2018
Ah, yes:  L'Areuse by gerberc ; you do have a number of memorable landscape shots!

And then there was your Diplomatic Mission:  Diplomatic Mission by gerberc
Whatever happened to that idea?   :hmm:
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gerberc Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2018
Thanks. And Diplomatic Mission is a very old image, I never followed up on this one.
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2018
Your human diplomat looks very appealing to me,
in terms of body language and proportions;
might you try to improve her by starting from a more advanced base figure?

That image of yours is almost a vignette;
have you ever considered doing short sequences of, maybe, three images?   :greetings:
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018
One llama is easy —you’re welcome!—
but your competition is more than I can handle right now,
even though it sounds very inspirational, and, oh,
the prizes: how generous of you!   :aww:

How about I fave your  1011 Tree Branch 04 by Tigers-stock  ?   :XD:
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Mike-the-dabbler Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017
I'm giving a free request to anyone with an account five years or older.
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017
Request? You mean, like Felame and Thuren?   :hmm:
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:iconmike-the-dabbler:
Mike-the-dabbler Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017
Or any human fanart/oc pieces.
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2018
Tell us more about your Felame and Thuren.   :reading:
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benitezdk Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Hello! :wave:  Tom!   ... Thanx!  :hug: ...
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2017
:iconsociableplz:   You have quite a collection of physiognomies in your gallery!

Have you considered adding some text?
It looks like you have stories in mind, and,
with so many renders, you have enough material for a comic book!   :nod:
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benitezdk Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Hi! Tom.  :nod:  Right!

... Lots of pictures but no series or comics in the tube!  :)

... I prefer short sequences! ...  :squee:

... More fun to do! ... :happybounce: 
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2017
   Ohm... Ohm... 
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JohnFitzSquirrel Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2017
Thank you for the fave :)
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JohnFitzSquirrel Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2017
Ouch, I'm sorry I have no other resolution for that picture (and for the others either :) )
This one took me hours to render at 1600x900 px so double the size will increase considerably the rendering time… ;)
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Edited Sep 26, 2017
Amen. My screen is 5120 pixels wide, so, what I did was to download
your characters at 1600x900, and double the size with Gimp,
and now theyre on my desktop!   :)

Anyway, do present your composition to the “Mashup Challenge”!
In fact, I think it deserves a DD !   :nod:

By the way, is the park itself CG also? Or, a photograph?   :nerd:
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2017
The Park by JohnFitzSquirrel , yes!  Great composition.

What I find missing, in general, are your “author’s comments”
to illuminate your thinking for us.
E.g. the blonde girl looks very much like Daenerys Targaryen; is that intentional?   :hmm:
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JohnFitzSquirrel Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2017
Thank you very much :)

In fact I don't make descriptions for two reasons :
- first, english is not my mother tongue so I'm not very eloquent.
- and then I prefer to let people interpret my images rather than explain to them what I want them to see :)

And yes, they are a kind of Lara Croft and Daenerys. There is no real background story behind,
just an unlikely friendship between two fictional characters who roam the world and live their lives.
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017
Oh?
You wonder: what if Lara, or Daenerys, were born and brought up under very non-standard circumstances?
They would look the same, and they would have the same basic character, 
but their background and worldview and fit-in-the-world, and goals, would be very different.
For example, if, et cetera.

Yeah.
Slightly scary thought, if you consider the converse:
an ordinary citizen and good neighbor of our world
can be a ruthless warmonger in another,
simply by being born into a different set of circumstances!   :fear:
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2017
Well, congratulations on Daenerys: thats a cinematic likeness!
Did you model her in DAZ Studio?

What base is she based on?   :nerd:
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ttobserve Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2017
The recent lazyboar666 controversy led me to it;
your Section 2256 quote deserves to be kept at hand!   :nod:
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Rewdius Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2017
As one who dabbles in adult fiction, and enjoys legal adult entertainment, it was incumbent upon me to study up on the laws a long time ago so I could keep myself on the proper side of many legal lines.

It's never wise to trust anyone else's perspectives, so I strongly encourage everyone to be aware of their Nation's legal restrictions should they wish to stray into darker corners.

I envy your weather over mine.
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