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Journal Entry: Sun Feb 11, 2018, 5:19 PM


"Hi friend! Beta Boon, here! This revamp of the Tribes is currently in a Beta Trial period. That means anything is subject to change after an observation period. Hold onto your hats, here we go!

Boon 11072 by TotemSpirit




Tribe Achievements
Tribe Leasing Information



Tribes are user-created groups with their own hierarchies and themes. Tribes are meant to encourage teamwork and foster a sense of community within the tokotas group. If you are looking to join a tribe that already exists, check out the Registered Tribes List to browse through them



Forming a Tribe


Anyone may start a tribe, as long as they have five additional consenting members (this does not include the founder) to join it. You may only be part of one tribe at any given time. The best way to go about gaining the necessary five members is to make a journal and submit to the Tribe Petitions advertisement sub-folder in the Tokotas gallery. When you have found five members interested in joining your tribe, they must "sign" your petition. They should comment with something along the lines of "I -insert username- would like to join -insert tribe name-." Please note that using secondary or separate accounts as fake petitioners to create a tribe may result in a suspension from the group, or banishment from creating or joining future tribes.

Once you have five signatures, you're ready to form your tribe. You'll need to create a group here on DA and post a journal that contains your tribe's rules, regulations, and information on how to join. Once you've completed those steps, visit the cycling Tribes Journal to submit your tribe for registration!

Once your tribe is approved by an admin, it is considered official. Your tribe will be added to the Registered Tribes List and created on the companion site. Once your tribe is on the site, you - the founder - are responsible for adding your five members and any more members you wish to recruit. You may then begin forming your tribe's unique identity!

The Founder may give the role of Trusted Tribemate to two tribemates. Trusted Tribesmates have all the same permissions as a Founder on tokotna.com including purchases from the tribe store, adding and removing tribemates, and updating tribe settings. The only permissions that Founder retains that Trusted Tribemates do not have is the ability to write out slots to Tribe Owned Tokotas, transferring tribe ownership, and adding or removing the role of Trusted Tribemate. Tribes do not have to select any Trusted Tribemates if the Founder does not want them.

Over the course of its existence, tribes can earn achievements that provide benefits within the game. You will be able to shape the identity of your tribe by following a specific achievement tree that suits your tribe's style of play. For more information on those achievements and how to earn them, please visit the Tribe Achievements journal! It is also important to note that, as has always been the case, founders may decide who does or does not have access to the tribe's unlocked benefits. This may be determined based on things such as how long a member has been in the tribe, how much activity they put forth, or other things of that nature.



Earning TP


TP (or Tribe Points) may be used to purchase items from the TP Shop. These items may be distributed by the founder or trusted tribemates as prizes for events, giveaways/raffles, or things of that nature. It is important to note that you cannot redeem any TP until your tribe is officially registered. It is impossible to redeem TP before a tribe is registered and added to the site.

Tribe Points may be earned in the following ways:

  • Each time a tribe member's Tokota reaches Average, the tribe will receive 1 TP
  • Each time a tribe member's Tokota reaches Dominance, the tribe will receive 3 TP
  • Each time a tribe member's Tokota reaches Alpha, the tribe will receive 5 TP
  • Each time a tribe member's Tokota earns its AoAs, the tribe will receive 1 TP
  • Each time a tribe member's Tokota places in a competition (1st-3rd, grand champion, or similar), the tribe will receive 1 TP
  • Each time a tribe member hosts a successful competition, with more than five participants, the tribe will receive 1 TP
  • Each time two or more tribe members collaborate on an image or literature piece, the tribe will receive 1 TP per collaborator
    • No more than four collaborators per image/lit.
    • Images must be at least full body and colored.
    • Literature must be at least 1000 words.


Redeeming Your TP


While your overall TP total will be listed in your tribe’s bank, you and your members will still need to redeem TP to be counted and deposited into your tribe’s bank before it can be used. Comments may contain a cap of 5 links total that are able to be redeemed per comment. Proof for earned TP should link directly to an official admin comment or deviation (in the case of collaborations). The link must not lead to an official import on TotemSpirit as we do not post redemption there.

The following users may redeem TP:

  • Tribe Founder (redeeming on behalf of tribe members)
  • Trusted Tribemate (redeeming on behalf of tribe members)
  • Tribe Member (may only redeem their own personally earned TP, with the exception of collaborations they are a part of)


To redeem your TP, visit the cycling Tribes Journal!



Tribe Companions


Tribe companions are exclusive companions that can only be found through Tribe Activities. Tribe companions are unique to your own tribe, and you may choose their bonus out of a list of options so it reflects your tribe's goal and themes. Tribe companions may be transferred to other members, but only members of the tribe that companion is for may utilize its benefits. All tribe companions may be resold for 8,000 TT at the Tokota Tokens Bank.

Please note that by submitting a tribe companion, the artist and founder acknowledge that the art will be uploaded to TokoTime and the rights will henceforth be owned by the group, to be used only as that specific tribe's companion.

Tribe Companion Rules


  • Art must be at least 300x300 in size
  • You cannot request your art be removed or re-purposed.
  • Tribe companions may be any realistic animal.
  • Tribe companions cannot be humanoid, cannot be Tokotas, and cannot mimic official group lore, such as Aippaq, Sikrinerk, or any other deities.
  • Tribe companions must have a unique element to show they belong to that tribe, such as hand paints, items, etc.
  • Tribe companions cannot be too complex. In other words, a typical member should be able to easily replicated it in art.
  • Up to five color or slight variants are allowed, but they must be on the same template.
  • Tribes may change their companion once. The new companion should have the same number of color variations as the previous companion.
  • Tribe companions' bonuses may not be changed.
  • If you are changing your tribe's companion, you will need to resubmit for approval in the cycling Tribes Journal.


Tribe Companion Options


You may choose your tribe companion's bonus from the list below:

  • Spirited Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's tokota, 1% chance to earn a Spirit of Competition companion with any group-sanctioned event entry. Note: Tribemate's tokota must be linked to in the description.
  • Cheerful Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's tokota, bonus points from Team Spirit OR Cheer Squad (the founder may choose) are doubled to +10/10% (instead of +5/5%).
  • Tame Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota, 50 is taken off the odds of any taming entry (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the form description.
  • Wild Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's tokota, 1% chance to earn a Wild Heart or Mediator trait with any taming entry. Does not stack. Note: Tribemate's tokota must be linked to in the description.
  • Skilled Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's tokota, 5% chance to earn an activity trait (Hunter, Fisher, Explorer, Caver, or Diver) with any activity entry. Note: Tribemate's tokota must be linked to in the description.
  • Hunter Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota in a hunting entry, an extra prey item will be rolled (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the form description. Bonus only applies to the Tokota with the companion (i.e. the tribemate's tokota will not be rolled for extra items.)
  • Fisher Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota in a fishing entry, an extra fish will be rolled (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the form description. Bonus only applies to the Tokota with the companion (i.e. the tribemate's tokota will not be rolled for extra items.)
  • Explorer Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota in an exploration entry, an extra item will be rolled (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the form description. Bonus only applies to the Tokota with the companion (i.e. the tribemate's tokota will not be rolled for extra items.)
  • Caver Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota in a caving entry, an extra item will be rolled (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the description. Bonus only applies to the Tokota with the companion (i.e. the tribemate's tokota will not be rolled for extra items.)
  • Diver Companion: With the full body depiction of any tribemate's Tokota in a diving entry, an extra item will be rolled (stacks twice.) Note: Tribemate's tokota(s) must be linked to in the description. Bonus only applies to the Tokota with the companion (i.e. the tribemate's tokota will not be rolled for extra items.)




FAQ


Do we lose all our old TP?


Nope! You may have your highest confirmed TP Tier deposited into your tribe's bank via the cycling Tribes Journal. Any remaining TP (even if it's from before the new system) that has not been confirmed by an admin should be tracked in your tribe's TP Tracker with the correct proofs, divided up into sections of 50 TP, and then you may visit TP Redeems on the cycling journal to have that TP Counted and deposited into your tribe's bank.

Does TP from previous tribemates count?


If the TP has been confirmed by an admin, you won't lose it. If it hasn't been confirmed by an admin and the user has left your tribe, you should remove it from your tracker.

Does each user part of a collab have to redeem their own TP?


No. Only one user who is part of a collaboration needs to redeem it.

Skin by Horsepoint and alexpeanut, paw icon by Kawiku, images by noebelle
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CH-Travels Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So since we now have to log TP through the group, rather than through our tribes, is there anywhere we can see how much TP a tribe has and how much TP individual members of that tribe have contributed?
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applecinna Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey there~ c:

You can see a tribe's TP count in their bank. If you go to the tribe's profile and click "Tribe Bank" it's right above the TT count there at the top.

As for seeing how much TP a member redeems, that is unfortunately impossible as is no "source" of the TP tracked on the site. If you need to track how much TP a user redeems for activity reasons in your tribe, you can certainly setup something where users can post redeemed TP comments or require TP be redeemed through the Founder or a Trusted Tribemate, similarly through how it used to be.

I hope that helps! :D
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Vaemi Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
When we join a tribe, do we have to post a comment somewhere so that it can be added to our profile on the companion site - or do the tribe founders handle that kind of thing? 
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lost-coati Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2018  Hobbyist
tribe founders are in charge of it c:
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Vaemi Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
Ok, cool! Thanks for the quick response :3
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DreamDrifter91 Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Soooo I'm a bit confused...the Tribemate bonus has been removed??? all the time and hard work my tribe put in to reach 100 and the HP bonus is not available anymore?

Has it been renamed or now has different requirements? 
if someone one could link me to info or explain it simply that would be very much appreciated ^.^ 
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LittleKhajiit Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope, we didn't remove it at all. ;u; As was stated in the News and Updates [OLD] back in February (2/11/18), and as is stated in the FAQ on the Tribe Achievements journal (the "Are we losing our old benefits?" question), literally none of the bonuses tribes had unlocked were lost. The entire General Tree, with the exception of the leasing achievement, is made up of all the old bonuses.

The tribemate bonus just has a new name. You can read through the new Tribe Achievements to find it. c:

It does indeed have different requirements now, as well. We gave everyone a heads up and several months to unlock anything they were working toward with TP. But TP is now a currency and is not used to unlock benefits. Each achievement has its own requirements, which you can read up on in the Tribe Achievements journal. ^^
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wolfdog127 Featured By Owner Edited Feb 27, 2018
What counts as a collaboration? Do both tribe mates need to bring a tokota? Do either of them?

And if a tokota earns its AoAs, Reaches Dom, Ect while you own it then you sell it can you still claim the TP?
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Diamondback-Ranch Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
Do we have to join a tribe?
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
No, you do not have to join a tribe. They are purely optional for players, these are the associated rules for anyone who does want to join a tribe. 
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Diamondback-Ranch Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
Okay. Thank you so much.
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TheSpringThing Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
So TP is basically a currency now? I like that! I always wondered what happened after a tribe got the rare mane bonus but had more TP. I'm kind of unsure if it will be too hard for small tribes to get the more expensive items, but I guess it wouldn't be good for the economy to have them too cheap. 
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
TP is indeed a currency now, and will be tracked in a Tribe’s Bank. We have been looking for feedback on the pricing, as we do not the flood the market but also want it attainable Thank you for your feedback, we will definitely keep it in mind before we finalize the TP store.
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majfisch Featured By Owner Edited Feb 12, 2018
Hi. It's me x3

First of all, I really like the revamp overall, thank you all for all your work put into this! The following might sound largely negative, but all in all I'm pretty happy with these changes, I'm just not pointing out every single thing I do like ^^'

I'm putting numbers on my questions so they don't get overlooked in my text wall. Here we go:


I like the additional choices for tribe companions, brings in more variety for different goals/playstyles tribes might have.


For the TP shop prizes I think 1 TP = 100 TT like in the proposal is reasonable. I also like how it has some companions available that can't otherwise be bought; Maybe the selection of items that aren't available in the trading post could be expanded a bit on though? I'm not sure which items this should be, as that's a balancing issue that would probably need some more thought.


The leasing rules generally balance the ability to help tribe mates on one side, and the game-breaking potential of leasing on the other pretty well I think. I like that the amount a tribe can profit by taking a share of the activity result is limited, but I am a bit confused about the wording.              
(1) Does it mean the tribe picks one item they get in the leasing agreement - eg. the 'tribe gets one candy wrapper if applicable' - or does it mean the tribe picks an item from every roll after seeing what got rolled?
Since the artist can redeem the results themselves I'm assuming the former, which I think is a bit strict. Maybe categories could be made that can be picked instead of a specific item; eg. 'the tribe gets one berry if applicable'. Not sure if this is necessary or if tribes are going to pick really rare stuff all the time anyway for which I think it's ok to be that limited. It being at most one item from each roll is a good rule imo.
I also have a few questions about tribe owned Tokotas in general:
(2) Can they enter CEs outside of leases? If not, how do they get their 1st place PotA requirement?
(3) Can they do activities outside of leases where the whole result goes to the tribe?
(4) Do they count as tribemates for various bonuses, for example the Birds of a Feather or tribe companion ones?
(5) Can bonuses like the Pot Belly Pig's be used by leasers?

(I know I already asked some of these in the discord channel and have not waited 24 hours for them to be answered, just thought maybe having them all in one place might be good. Sorry if this causes inconvenience and/or stress!)


For achievements I like that the amount of work neeeded total being related to tribe size is nice, though I am a bit shocked by the jump between 25 and 26 members, where the amount more than triples (which is unique in the progression), making X go from .6 per member to 2.1 per member - an amount that otherwise is only necessary for tribes of 5-7 members. I'm probably biased here because my tribe floats exactly around this mark, but in my opinion the sudden increase at that point is too high.


While I like the new variety achievements, as a player who really enjoys the activity-part of the game, I am disappointed in the Trail Runner tree.

On the Master achievement set: I think the companions and tack that lower fail rate for a specific activity to 0%/1% also apply to tribe activities, right? That means that this bonus is going to not do much for Tokotas with the 1% fail rate tack (costing for 2700 TT all in all), and nothing for Tokotas who are dom/have a bear/ have a cat (respectively); The hunting one would be completely void for players who have a bear totem. Compared to the first three achievements of the other paths, which are useful for pretty much any Tokota, this just doesn't seem as good to me by far. Add to this that - thankfully - fail rates don't seem to be all that high anyway and every tribe that gets these will already have one or even two +5% successrate benefits. I feel this should be one single achievement for all activities (and two new ones should then be added ofc), and/or have grant an extra item for Tokotas who don't benefit at all from it, like the companions that work similarly (Owl, Reindeer - their fail rate bonus isn't as good as this and they still get a compensation for it if the bonus isn't usable, so I feel these achievements should, too)

The broker achievement, in not stacking with the corresponding traits, would be largely useless for me personally, too - I mainly use specialized Tokotas that have those traits for the activities they're specialized for. And even when people don't do that, the traits are so common that a lot of Tokotas will not benefit from this achievement much.

The fortune set requires every Tokota that wants to make use of it outside of exploring to have a stork - a companion not easily obtained. Exceptional Fortune even doesn't do anything at all for Tokotas without a stork. The boost being 'small' doesn't make me very confident that this bonus will do much, if I compare it to other bonus wordings in traits for example, with my experience in what the outcome of having those is (but maybe I just had bad luck). Plus, while abandonned puppies can be really nice, in my experience they more often than not have not much special about them besides a half empty lineage. Which is why I'm not really all that enthousiastic about these two achievements.

The Forbidden Knowledge achievement might as I see it be the strongest final achievement, though I see them all as a bit weak compared to some others lower in the trees. I'm also very sceptical about this one however, again because I haven't had a very good time with 'increased chances'. To really gauge how good this achievement (or the abandonned puppy one) is, it'd be really helpful to know how much 'a small boost' is supposed to be. For example, is the chance of finding a stone doubled, tripled, multiplied by 1.5? (Which with all those numbers to me personally, considering how rare finding a stone is and what I said about the other achievements, still wouldn't justify picking this path over the others)

All in all to me it feels that the path largely isn't usable by many tokos, and the bonuses aren't good enough to make up for that - in comparison to the other paths.

That being said, I can live with my tribe maybe picking a different path even though I generally really like activities, I'd just really prefer to have an activity-themed tree that is on par with the others. As it is I'd actually be a tiny bit bummed if my tribe does pick this path because it seems to do so little for people who have done a lot of activities already and have tacked and traited tokos, totems etc., while the other paths reward newbies and more advanced players mostly equally as I see it.
 

I am also a bit surprised that aparently all achievement requirements can be started working on immediately, rather than the time period for doing them starting with the latest prerequisite gained. It seems to hollow out the structure of the achievements building on each other a little - I don't have a problem with it, but it does surprise me.


(6) Lastly, will there be way for a tribe to change a previously made choice?
(Changing paths or single achievements (for example from Sledding Showstopper to Endurance Showstopper) could maybe be available for TP, possibly with the downside of having to reearn the achievement/ start over on the new path?)
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2018  Hobbyist Writer

((This is a big thing writing by myself, dunrosiel, and LittleKhajitt))

Hai!! ouo We’re super glad to hear you’re pleased with a lot of the changes we’ve made. We’d hoped that people would overall enjoy them, though we did know (hence the beta stamp on everything lol) that we’d need to edit here and there.


So first and foremost, let me just say thank you so much for such a well-thought-out response. This is the kind of feedback we really love because it’s so incredibly helpful. We have a hard time finding the confusing or unclear things after looking at the same information for months. ;u;



I will do my best to answer all your questions, and if I miss anything or if anything is still unclear, please don’t hesitate to let me know! c:


Regarding the TP Shop: We do have items not available in the trading post, they’re just not on the price preview sheet because we’re pretty certain about their prices (and I like to think they’re kind of a fun surprise, but that might just be me haha). We can’t add a ton of things, however, because that would kind of defeat the purpose of going out and finding them in activities. Once the TP Shop is released, it’ll still be in a beta phase as well, though, and if there are specific items people want to see in the shop that AREN’T in the trading post, they could let us know and we would be more than happy to revisit the possibility of adding those items. There will most definitely be another call for more feedback after this initial round of changes.



1. We mean that the tribe picks one item at the time of Lease Agreement Creation and they can’t change their minds afterward. The tribe only gets one of that item even if there are multiples of the item. If only 1 item is rolled in an activity the tribe can give up its claim on the item to ensure the leaser gets something from the roll. We added some extra clarifications to the journals to reflect this. As per allowing tribes to choose items out of a category, we think that’s a great idea and we’ll be working out the specifics for categories with the next update.


2. CEs are just off the table entirely, unfortunately. This is in the interest of keeping CEs fair for everyone. :c However, that does not take group-sanctioned events run by tribes and other members off the table.Those wins still count. Stones of Aippaq and Forged Gold Medals are also viable replacements for CE wins. And we will mention all this in the journal and clear it up a bit. ;v;


3. Currently, no, that would not be allowed. We are willing to go back and discuss that. However, if a user would like to give all their items to the tribe from their lease roll, they are more than welcome to do so. They would just simply transfer the items to the tribe bank using the “Transfer for Lease” form in the bank. ^^


4. No, tribe-owned tokotas do not count as a tribemate for bonuses. The same way if you co-owned a tokota it wouldn’t count for the +2 HP tribemate bonus. While we don’t mind at all if people get extra HP there are a few bonuses we gated in a way to have people working together to get them. The system could get complicated if we allowed tribe-owned tokotas for some bonuses but not others.


5. No, the pig companion’s bonus would not be usable. It never was before, either. You can’t lease tokotas for crafting bonuses. c’:


6. Because this is a new system that interacts with a lot of other aspects of the group - for example, the recently revamped CEs - we have decided we will be allowing Tribes the opportunity for a one-time change for their [Contest] Showstopper I & II bonuses. We will also be allowing Tribes a one-time change for their companion bonuses since we have added more options. There will be a news post about this with further instructions on this as soon as we get the details fully worked out.



Per the tribe size, we completely understand your worries about this. The actual formula to determine the X is 60% of the range + the maximum of the previous category. The range is the difference between the max and min of a category for example the range of a medium tribe is
75 - 26 = 49. 60% of 49 = 29.4 which we rounded up to 30 and added 25 for an X of 55. We tried tossing around a few different formulas and settled on this one because the progression scaled fairly well with the size ratios. In the end, we realized we really couldn’t see how well anything would work until it was put into action. Rose made the final choice as she has more experience with game theory than the rest of the Tribe Team. All we ask is that you give them a try for a little bit; we might discover that it’s the perfect formula or that we need to redo it. But we need to get some actual data from the group to make that choice. Does that make sense? ;v;


In regard to the Trail Runner tree: We’re working on it. ;u; We’ve made changes, and we’re waiting for them to be approved by activities and our coder for the rollers. Once we have the go-ahead from them, we’ll announce the changes.


I think that covers everything, but again, if we’ve missed something in this response or if things still don’t quite make sense, please let us know! c:


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majfisch Featured By Owner Edited Feb 16, 2018
Thank you for your detailed response! <3

I for one am definitely excited to see what the additional TP-shop items will be! (To be honest it didn't cross my mind that what you had put up might not be the full list ^^')

(2) Just wanted to say I like the CE-decision and didn't want to criticise that at all, and was just wondering about the PotA-req (:

(3) I personally would love it if it was possible to do activities with tribe tokotas outside of leasing - the reason being that our tribe is planning to have some 'tamable' tribe tokotas and we thought it might be cool to have submitting the taming image as an activity give a little bonus towards the taming attempt - with the tokotas up for taming not being leasable tokotas. But I could also understand if it wasn't allowed, for example in order to prevent people going around the limit of 3 tokotas for leasing with it (maybe as a compromise it could be allowed for completely untacked tokotas or those with a maximum of one piece of tack/companion?), or other ways of creating undue advantages..

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On tribe size and requirements scaling: For the tribe size I understand how you got the number, I also see how the numbers for determining the size itself was calculated, but I still feel the same about the jump. I'm personally especially worried about the breeding bonus, because the amount a single person can do for it is limited to one per month.

Unless it is allowed to draw breeding images for other people, outside the tribe, commissioned or otherwise, that will count towards the achievement?

*The following is only* If people are not supposed to do that: Jumping to 55 for 26 members means that the fastest it's possible to get the breeder achievement, even if everyone participates, is 3 months - while at 25 members it's one single month with only a little more than half of the members contributing. That is, I would say, also a pretty realistic amount of members contributing. Meaning that realisticly, at 26 members the achievement will likely take not 3, but around 4-5 months or longer, also factoring in that to do a breeding image one must even have the ability to do 3 breedings, let alone people will most likely want the breedings they do to make sense, as well. Our tribe has some members who have around 3 breedable Tokotas - it's a bit hard to get 3 breedings a month a few months in a row with that as a base if you don't want to go around buying slots.

I read in a comment around here somewhere that before the general tree is completed the specialized trees can't be worked on. Since getting the breeding bonus is a requirement for completing the general tree, tribes with 26 members will thus likely be stalled in getting their achievements for a third of a year, whilst most other sizes will not. Granted, it will realistically work out that way for a lot of larger tribes on the smaller end of their segment, too, but I believe most if not all of those already have their breeding bonus? The same problem might also occur with tribes that have less than 10 members. But how many tribes are on what end of the scala doesn't really matter much in my opinion - my point is, it just seems unfair to me that some tribes will have a hard limit like that on how fast they can proceed towards the new achievements that is much higher than what is possible for others. (A different way to fix it  than changing the scale might also be chnaging the breeder achievement, I guess)

That being said, in my opinion it doesn't help a tribe with 26 members to wait for more data with this particular achievement - while they would be waiting and seeing and working solely on that one achievement (and, to be fair, the leasing achievement, but without the ability to unlock it), everyone else is proceeding to the fun new stuff. I personally feel this is a thing that should be changed as fast as possible because of how unfair it feels to me. It's of course not the end of the world, but still feels like a pretty big and random disadvantage for some tribes. Sorry for rambling on about it, I hope I haven't repeated myself too much or been disrespectful in any way.

Edit: After I had written this I realized that I had pretty much based this on tribes that had most, but not all of the 'old' bonuses unlocked (because mine does ^^'). So I went back and looked at the other achievements. While they are still in my opinion disproportionately harder with 26 members than 25 for a pretty random reason, I think they still could be done within 1-2 months if a tribe really applies themselves to it; My argument about the breeder achievement potentially slowing down a tribe by a whole lot thus is not really affected by that, even if you think it through with completely new tribes instead of half-up-the-tree ones.

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I am happy to hear that about the Trail Runner tree, and excited to see what was changed :3
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
You said everything I was thinking!! Hoping somebody will answer you so i can read up on the explanations

-I love the idea of the companions (we already have ours in the tribe but anyways) although i wonder what it means for what we already have?

-I like everything overall but the trail runner path i felt the exact same because my girls dom with a bear companion sooooo- the bonuses wouldn't really help? since she can't fail x.x

-I also think that the TP becoming a currency for the tribe sounds great and the prices decent although they could perhaps expend what all can be bought otherwise its the same as the trading post? Make it a wee special thing tribes can buy and give out as prizes/tack on group owned tokotas/ect.

-Although the counting of the tp (every 50 earned needs to be tracked separately??) sounds rather confusing and difficult unless they meant it differently than they meant. 

-and the idea of letting us change some achievements we earned before sounds awesome, especially if one we chose in the past didn't fit the tribe now!
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LittleKhajiit Featured By Owner Edited Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
We're working on an overall larger response to Maj and hope to have it posted in the next day or two, but just wanted to touch on a couple of things.

For the TP Shop, there are more non-trading post items. c; We're just not in need of feedback for prices on those since we're all pretty much in agreement on them.

For tracking TP it's not that you have to track it separately. You need a TP tracker like you've always had. BUT that tracker needs to be busted up into sections of 50 TP (much like busting up sub > avg, avg > dom, and so on for HP Trackers in HU). This makes it easier on the people counting, so they don't get overwhelmed. c:

Edit: Just also wanted to tack on that you guys have given excellent feedback, and we're super appreciative! <3 We're already working to make some changes, and we hope to be able to announce them and put them into place within the coming days as well. (It just takes a little longer because we have to make sure we're still on the same page as all the other sections in the group.)
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh yay!! Excited for everything to release and no worries I get way too confused on things so it could be how I read it x.x

Andddd...oh xD I guess I'll have to start breaking up my hp trackers too, I didn't see an update for that but! I've been really rather out of the loop with my new work schedule I've had- nearly no time for tokos :(

But thanks!! 
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LittleKhajiit Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Nah, you're all good. We didn't mention the other things, just 'cause the news was already so long and there was no need since they wouldn't be on the sheet. So I think technically you're the first to know. ;D lol But ya, there will be moar! \ o /

Ye, I don't remember when exactly, but HP trackers have to be split up by sub > avg, avg > dom, dom > alpha HP now. ;v; It has made HU a lot faster, imo. So good on them. cx

Feels on that busy schedule tho. oTL I barely have time to think. ;3; I hope your schedule calms down a bit so you can relax and do toko things!! <3
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Well I'm excited to see what all you guys come up with and hopefully!  Finally got several new tokos I'm excited to use but I can only really get times on the weekends so 😂 but right back at ya! Crazy schedules can be chaotic at times!
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CH-Travels Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So I read over everything, but there's two questions I didn't see answered. First, simple question, what is a "Trusted Tribemate"? I kept seeing the term mentioned in the tribe leasing journal, and it sounds to me like it isn't just any tribe member because Trusted Tribemates have the ability to add tack onto tribe tokotas and so on.
Second, can uploaded Tokotas be donated to a tribe to become a Tribe tokota, so that it can be used for tribe leasing (if that achievement is unlocked)? Like for example, if it's an uploaded tokota that has no tack, companions, or traits, can it become a tribe tokota if the owner no longer uses it but does not want to Shrine it or is having trouble finding it a new home? Or is that option completely restricted to genos only? I think it would be wonderful if members could repurpose an uploaded Tokota to benefit their tribemates by donating it to the tribe to become a tribe tokota.
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
So many people looking at this for so many hours and still we forgot something....okay I have added this above in the journal. 

"The Founder may give the role of Trusted Tribemate to two tribemates. Trusted Tribesmates have all the same permissions as a Founder on tokotna.com including purchases from the tribe store, adding and removing tribemates, and updating tribe settings. The only permissions that Founder retains that Trusted Tribemates do not have is the ability to write out slots to Tribe Owned Tokotas, transferring tribe ownership, and adding or removing the role of Trusted Tribemate. Tribes do not have to select any Trusted Tribemates if the Founder does not want them."

For your second question, I'll need to get back to you on that. All the other admins who worked on tribes have crashed for the night and we'll need to talk to be sure we agree on the answer. I should have an answer for you sometime tomorrow.
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CH-Travels Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, thank you, that makes it so much clearer what a Trusted Tribemate is. I had a feeling it was a more important role, just had to be sure.
And alright, that’s fine; thanks for letting me know.
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Apologies for the wait, we got alot of questions and we're starting to wade through responding

We have discussed Tribe Owned Tokotas, and while our initial thought was genos only, we have agreed Blank Slates are acceptable as well. We will add a clarification to the journal about the exact rules for this, but currently we are counting a Blank Slate as a Tokota with the following; No Tack, No Companions, No Rites, Blank Award Wall

We will also include a clarification for Tribe Owned Tokotas that were owned prior to the establishment of this system.


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secretrealm Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
If a Tokota is moved from Submissive to Dominant, does the tribe receive both the Average and Dominant TP points (total of 3) or just the Dominant TP points?

For Tribe Achievements - Do you need to collaborate with a tribe member in activities to get the achievement for things like Dominant Specialist?

Does Merchant have to be renewed every 4 weeks or so or is it permanent?
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demonicrose Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
1) If you have both comments on the tokos, then you get all 3 points
2) If you have to collaborate for the achievement the Obtained By will specifically say that. 
3) No, it is permanent 
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SparkyShinobi Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
AngelBleuEyes - be sure to submit Tsula's confirmed TP into the tribe bank! 
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Imma have to reread the info on tp to figure out how we are to set up the new tracking journals first though as im highly confused (too easy to do..confusing me sadly lmao!)

BUT WE ARE ACTIVE AND ALIVE ON THE BANK
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SparkyShinobi Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes! I've been making people Raiders as they accept invites. :D
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Sweeet!
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh wait I gotta read up on how to...but I will!
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SparkyShinobi Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
WOOT!
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AngelBleuEyes Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
O.O thanks!
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