Tribe Leasing
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Tribe Information
Tribe Achievements



When a tribe unlocks the highest tier of the General Achievements Tree, they unlock the ability to participate in Tribe Leasing! Tribe Leasing allows for up to three tribe-owned tokotas to be used in activities by all tribe members who have a leasing permission. These tribe-owned tokotas are meant to build a strong sense of teamwork and community among tribes.

Tribe Leasing allows tribe members to participate in activities using the currently active tribe-owned tokotas. The activity results will be posted in the tribe's mandatory Activity Tracker. The tribe's founder, trusted tribemates, or the artist of the activity may redeem items from the results posted on the tracker. Tribes are also allowed to keep part of the roll. The rules for that are detailed below.



Tribe Owned Tokotas


Tribe-owned tokotas are tokotas that belong to the tribe, not to any specific player. Tribe-owned tokotas come with slightly different rules than regular tokotas.

  • There is no limit to the number of tokotas a tribe may own.
  • If uploading a geno to be used as a tribe tokota, the Founder or a Trusted Tribemate must submit the geno to DC using one of their monthly DC slots.
  • Uploaded tokotas may be transferred to Tribe ownership for leasing, but they must be completely blank slates.
    • This means no tack, no companions, no Rites, etc. Their award wall should be entirely blank.
  • Tribe-owned tokotas may be donated to members, but they cannot have been used in leasing.
  • The Founder or Trusted Tribemate must submit any Rites for tribe-owned tokotas for judging. However, they may be completed by anyone.
    • Faction is not used to determine AoAs for tribe-owned tokotas; they may participate in either the RoK or RoS.
  • Only the Founder or Trusted Tribemate may apply tack, traits, and companions to tribe-owned tokotas.
    • Tack, traits, and companions must be in the tribe's bank to be applied.
  • Tribe-owned tokotas have normal breeding slots, but all slot distribution must be handled by the Founder.
  • Tribe-owned tokotas cannot earn Totems or PotA Tokens when they reach alpha.
    • If a tribe-owned tokota scores high enough to earn a trait, the trait will be deposited into the tribe's bank.
    • When a tribe-owned tokota reaches alpha, the tribe will earn an additional 20 TP.




Leasing Rules


Tribe Leasing is monitored by the group and follows a standardized set of rules. All leases will be checked to ensure all rules are upheld.

  • Only tribe-owned tokotas may be used for leasing.
  • Tribes must have an Activity Tracker to which results for leased tokotas may be posted.
  • Tribes may have up to three actively leased tokotas at a time, which must be listed in the tribe's Activity Tracker.
  • Before a tribe-owned tokota may be used in activities, a leasing agreement must be posted. Each user must have their own personal leasing permission.
    • Lease agreements must be posted in a comment on the tribe's Activity Tracker.
    • Lease agreements can be created at any time.
    • Once created, lease agreements cannot be changed until the lease expires.
    • Lease agreements automatically expire every three months - at the end of March, June, September, and December.
  • Tribes may select one item that they wish to keep from each lease agreement.
    • Tribes must select one item at the time of the Lease Agreement creation and they may not change their selected item once the lease is active.
    • Tribes may give up their claim on items if only a single item is rolled in the results. The Founder or a Trusted Tribemate must respond to the result giving up the tribe's claim.
    • Tribes may only keep one of the selected items even if there are multiples of the same item in a roll. For example, if your tribe is keeping trait tokens and three are rolled in one result, the tribe may keep one.
    • Tribes may allow the leaser to decide which item the tribe keeps.
    • Leasers are allowed to give more to their tribe if they wish, of course.
  • Commissioned works are not allowed for leased tokotas. Only collaborated and non-commissioned art will be accepted and rolled for leased tokotas.
    • If the submitter or collaborator is not in the tribe, the activities will be denied.
  • Leased tokotas may be used in Exploration, Fishing, Hunting, Caving, Diving, Prehistoric Hunting, Dangerous Game, and all tribe activities.
  • Leased tokotas may NOT be used for REs, CEs, Weekly Quests, or Official Group Events.
    • While CEs are disallowed, group-sanctioned competitions run by tribes or other members are allowed.
      • Forged Gold Medals and Stones of Aippaq are also viable ways to replace CE wins for PotAs.
    • All REs are automatically void for tribe-owned tokotas.




Redeeming Items


There are specific rules that must be followed in regard to items earned from Tribe Leased tokotas. All leases will be checked to make sure the rules are upheld.

  • All rolls must be posted on a Tribe Activity Tracker. The tribe's Activity Tracker must be a standard format, publicly accessible DA journal, which the Founder can link on the tribe's page on the companion site.
    • Sta.sh trackers are not allowed.
  • Tribe members may redeem their own results from the Tribe Activity Tracker.
    • If the result has an item that goes to the tribe, the tribe member must use the Transfer for Lease form in the bank.
  • The Founder or Trusted Tribemates may redeem results from the Tribe Activity Tracker after the lease has expired.
    • If the result has an item that goes to the tribe member, the Founder or Trusted Tribemate must use the Transfer for Lease form in the bank.
  • Use the TT Calc/Form Generator and the Transfer for Lease function for the proper form.
  • Anyone (Founders, Trusted Tribemates, or tribe members) who takes items that do not belong to them according to the Lease Agreement will receive a warning.
    • Any further infractions may result in consequences befitting the situation.




FAQ


Do tribe-owned tokotas grant the tribemate HP bonus?


No, they do not.

Can tribe-owned tokotas be used as a tribemate tokota to do Tribe Activities or for using bonuses that require a tribemate's tokota?


No, they cannot.

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Kitsumi-Mahon's avatar
Kitsumi-MahonHobbyist Writer
Does the expiration of a lease count towards the date an activity is submitted to the group for roll, or the date the deviation is uploaded? For example, say I create a few rolls throughout December with a leased tokota, but am unable to submit them due to the group being closed, and then my lease is up at the end of the month. Would I have to get a new lease approved before submitting the activities for rolls, or would the old lease be valid?
Shangry-Ia's avatar
Oh, I have another tribe question please xD (before we do something wrong) 

We have a tribe Tokota in DC right now, to the name of our tribe, not any member. This should be one of our tribe leasing Tokos later on, when we reach the achievement.

Are we allowed to gear that one, right, when it's uploaded (put tack and companions on it etc) Or do we need to wait until the tribe leasing achievement is confirmed?
BoneSmirk's avatar
BoneSmirkProfessional Digital Artist
Honestly, I'm glad that the old, unofficial leasing was taken away. It was broken and really did a number on the economy.

I'm also glad that instead of just doing away with leasing altogether, the admins did listen to its members and compromised by reworking leasing into an official feature that wouldn't totally crash the economy.
Tokotas is a game and sometimes what's best for the game is not the most popular choice. It sucks, but that's just the way things work sometimes.

I'm not sure exactly how well this feature is going work, but thank you admins for working on and providing a solution. I'm excited to try it out, see how it goes and all that, and I'm sure, as people start employing tribe leasing and are able to provide feedback on the system, it will only get better.

#ThanksAdminsYourHardWorkIsAppreciated
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
hug Thank you for your extremely kind words. ;3; Cannot even tell you how much it means to me and to everyone who's had a hand in helping with tribes. <333
Yoko318's avatar
*squee* I get to use our tribe toko now! Thanks for implementing this!
lost-coati's avatar
lost-coatiHobbyist
who submits the CE for the leased tokota? since a 1st place win is needed for alpha...unless we're required to use a Stone of Aippaq or Forged Medal..?
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
As the rules state, leased tokotas can't be used in CEs. ;u; You can, however, use them in group-sanctioned shows run by other tribes or members, or you can fulfill the requirements with a Stone of Aippaq or a Forged Gold Medal.
lost-coati's avatar
lost-coatiHobbyist
ohhh okay gotcha ! I was wondering about that, since I was like "but it doesn't look like we can use them in CEs..." ahaha
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
Ya, we'll be clarifying in the journal. <3 We have some edits in progress to push out soon.
Furreon's avatar
FurreonHobbyist Digital Artist
Will tribe owned tokotas (including ones that are used for leasing) be able to grant members of the tribe the tribemate HP bonus? As the toko is not technically owned by a "tribemate" but the whole tribe itself?
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
No, tribe-owned tokotas can't grant the tribemate HP bonus. ;u;
KirasDarkLight's avatar
KirasDarkLightProfessional Digital Artist
Late query, but can the Tribe-owned Tokos gain the Tribemate bonus from the Tokos owned by the person leasing the Tribe Toko?
TheSpringThing's avatar
TheSpringThingHobbyist Writer
I feel like someone needs to tell the admins that we appreciate all the work I'm sure went into figuring out how to make leasing work. So good job guys! There have been some good concerns brought up but I'm sure they'll be worked through. I appreciate what you've done for us!
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
hug 
Thank you so much. ;3; All your super nice words mean a lot to me and to everyone who has worked on Tribes. We're so grateful. <33

We're definitely listening to everyone's feedback and making changes where we can. We hope to be able to present said changes in the coming days, but we just gotta get some approval on some things first. c:
Lachtaube's avatar
Hi there! Could you please elaborate on the difference between the currently listed Tribe Leasing system and your expectations or hopes of what Leasing should be? It would be greatly helpful to us if we had a better idea of what interested you about leasing as it used to organically occur in the group. :)
Poolpaw's avatar
PoolpawHobbyist Digital Artist
I realise my original comment didn't make much sense by itself, gonna copy some of something I stated later on to someone else who replied to me;

"This doesn't seem at all like leasing. I'm not entirely sure how it accounts to leasing at all. It's an entirely new features - they've invented tribe only tokotas. That can be a cool feature in itself, and it would have been had it have been introduced correctly and outside of leasing. This... isn't really leasing. This is "oh look we have tribe only tokotas, which the tribe can decide whether or not to let you use!" - like I said, cool feature outside of leasing... but doesn't account at all to what leasing actually is."

Leasing was previously used to help new players build up a TT base, as well as snag some extra nice little items (companions, maybe tack etc.) without having the tokota themself. By restricting it to tribe-owned tokotas... you're restricting the activities (only 3? there are more than 3 activities...) that people can be able to enter, not to mention these tribe-owned tokotas can't yet exist and are never able to go back to the original owner. There are people who have worked for YEARS to stack up their tokotas and are willing to offer them up for lease... but they're not gonna give them up to a tribe (not that that is even allowed). This is also a major downfall for smaller tribes who may not have the same player base as larger tribes, meaning it will be far more difficult for them to "make" a tokota that is much more useful to lease.

What I was actually expecting was that people within a tribe would be allowed to lease each others tokotas, just with more limited rules (such as no commissioned art allowed of leased tokotas, not being used in CE's/events/etc.). And somehow I feel like that's what others thought too?

I'm not very good at explaining myself well, so I hope this makes some sort of sense
demonicrose's avatar
demonicroseHobbyist Writer
Poolpaw and fyre-rp , we have heard your feelings about the new leasing system. When leasing went away and the group promised we'd look at a way to incorporate it into tribes, we warned everyone then that leasing would not be coming back the same if it came back. The above is a compromise that allows tribes to work together to create good tokotas for the whole tribe to use hopefully without the negative impacts leasing had on the economy before. I am very sorry to hear that both of you dislike tribe leasing to this extent and I understand why you don't like. I am more sorry to tell you that while this is in a beta stage, the admin team will be standing firm that leasing will not be going back to the old way.
Poolpaw's avatar
PoolpawHobbyist Digital Artist
I'm so glad my comments were hidden, great to know tokos cares so much about the opinions of their members.
Koevr's avatar
KoevrHobbyist Writer
First and foremost, I hid your comments, not Rose. And it wasn't only your comments that were hidden. Additionally, your comments weren't hidden because we "don't care about opinions." Your comments were hidden because you were arguing with another member, which goes against the spirit of the group. It was no longer a civilized conversation and was turning into a fight instead, and the comments were hidden to prevent any further fighting, not to hold anyone back from expressing their opinions. You're more than welcome to state your opinions in a mature and civilized manner, but we will hide inflammatory messages, which is what was occurring. c:
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PoolpawHobbyist Digital Artist
I literally had stopped replying before you decided to hide my comments. And they were hardly arguing, I was explaining my point (as I had been asked to do) - the only "potential" comments that you could class as "arguing" were not even aimed at admins, they were at members being equally as argumentative (and, by the looks, there were still plenty of "argumentative" comments left behind, not even by me, which just feels like I was targetted). I'm not sure where you saw this "fight" occuring, because as I said the replies had stopped from my end long before you decided to hide my comments. This is still unacceptable and I'm actually slightly horrified at the fact you are so quick to hide other peoples opinions which weren't causing an argument, not were they fighting. Did you consider that maybe this "imflammatory" sense is just the fact that there are people who also agreed with my opinion. Y'all just don't wanna hear people who don't agree. But, that's fine, I know where your priorities lie now.
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KoevrHobbyist Writer
I don't mind hearing people's opinions at all, so please don't make false claims about me or my "priorities." c: I'm actually very open to others' thoughts and opinions, and I even put out a whole news post last month requesting feedback. And there will be another this month. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that I wouldn't want to hear anyone's opinions - I specifically asked for them. Also, I'm not sure you realize which comments were hidden? Because yes, it was indeed turning into a fight. The entire conversation was hidden because of the "no, you're the one with reading comprehension issues" insults being thrown around at the end. There's no need for that, and as the admin over Tribes, it's not a conversation that I want left on the journals - whether it was ongoing or not - because it's neither productive nor relevant. No one's targeting you or singling you out. The conversation wasn't even hidden because of you. It was largely the other user's comments that were inflammatory; you just so happened to be having the conversation that led up to it, and it was all hidden to avoid any further arguing.

Additionally, I'm well aware that some people don't agree with the new form of leasing - but the alternative was not to bring it back at all. ;u; So I think people can compromise a little and also be understanding that this is all still in a beta stage and that we're actively working on improving it. We made changes already based on people's constructive feedback. I put them in the journal last night, in fact. And there are more changes to come because we compiled every single comment, read them, discussed them, and made changes based on people's feedback (not just to leasing, but to achievements and overall tribe rules and aspects as well). So again, I'm not sure where you get the idea that I, or the rest of the team, don't want to listen to people who don't agree with us. If there's something you don't like, I am fully and completely open to hearing about it in a polite, constructive manner. If people dislike certain things, I definitely want to know specifics so I can see if there's a way to change it. But having someone (again, not you) start throwing out insults at another member just because they don't agree with them isn't helpful or constructive at all. It's unkind and, as I've already said, not in the spirit of the group.
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fyre-rpHobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think it needs to go back to the old way and I didn't state it should- I would not have minded if it had been restricted in a way that literally only my tiny group could use my alpha for leasing and absolutely no one outside of my tribe could have. Ever. That would have been completely fine. I wouldn't even mind if only one leaseable toko could be posted at a time per tribe, no matter who owned them. It could have been ferociously strict- limited to one toko, being able to only roll a max of 3 items, being limited to the number of images they're able to be included in, and a lot of other ways really.

However, this is not going to prevent the negative impact on the economy. It's just going to take longer to get there, but as soon as a single large tribe has 3 very stacked tokos- everyone from current members to people just joining who do want to lease will be gunning for that tribe and those tokos. Larger tribes can also get the tokos to that level much faster than a small one would. So I personally don't think it's going to prevent the end result- it's simply just going to drag out how long it takes to hit that impact.

I trust the group's judgement as a whole- and if it doesn't change so be it. It's just disappointing that a toko I went out of my way to purchase who was already stacked well, and then went on to make them even better, is basically useless for the biggest reason I purchased them to begin with. But that's not the groups fault and I'm aware of that- it's just simply a disappointment.

Thank you for at least listening to and considering the feelings of those who have posted. It's appreciated even if we don't see eye to eye on it. ^^
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PoolpawHobbyist Digital Artist
I don't remember ever hearing of this warning you have spoken of. But I already knew that I'd (we'd?) end up getting this response. As I stated before, there were still other ways that leasing could have been incorporated so that it was far more restricted and controlled than it previously was, without literally limiting it to 3 tokotas that aren't officially owned by anyone and honestly? I can't see them providing the benefits (aka being tacked up w/ tack and companions and traits) that leasing used to before. As someone who only got where they are from leasing other peoples tokos... this is screwing over newer members.
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