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i believe... today

This declaration is inspired by watching several productions by Richard Dawkins, an atheist who I think is extremely intelligent. Much thanks to the deviantART AtheistsClub for leading me to him, and some of the following text may look familiar if you saw my rant-comment on a recent club journal. Anyways, I don't agree with everything Richard Dawkins says, but that's what makes me an individual. As I watched several of Dawkins' videos, I found myself thinking about my current belief set, what I do and do not believe, and how I've gotten where I am today... and that what I believe today may not be what I'll believe in the future. Honestly though, I think I'm getting to a point where I've figured out a lot of things to their end result... but that could be a dangerous assumption as well. I am skeptical of pretty much everything, especially my own thoughts, so hopefully I'm doing a good job of keeping myself in check and clear of the dangers of turning off my power to think for myself.

And as I was thinking all this I thought... y'know, I should write this down. So I did. And I'd like to share, because if people keep their beliefs or the reasons for those beliefs hidden, others won't get to learn from their experience. So here ya go, these are the main points of what I believe at this current moment:

I do not believe in god. I used to, but that was mostly the product of brainwashing by my parents. I've been through some truly horrible things and I would not wish those things on even my worst enemy, and I'm most certainly not a "perfect, loving" god, I'm just human. So a "perfect, loving" god letting me go through those things in my life... dude, that's not perfect or loving at all. It's pointless, and actually quite evil. If I bother to care, I would say that what I believe most closely resembles Descartes' theory that the world is an illusion controlled by a malevolent being of some sort that is using us all in some twisted experiment. That theory goes a long way in explaining why there's so much suffering in the world, and why bad things tend to happen to good people, while bad people get great rewards. It doesn't stand up so well to the advances we've made in science on a grander scale, however, unless the malevolent critter-in-charge planned for that. So I'll just default to "I'm a Discordian, w00t!" and freely admit that I know absolutely nothing... I just believe some stuff.

I believe Christianity is dangerous and actually quite evil. Because this is the only major religion I have experienced personally, I do not extend this thought to religion as a whole, as that would be an unfair blanket statement (even if it might be true, and Dawkins has a very strong case for that). From my own experiences, the worst people I have ever known personally have all been self-proclaimed Christians. Perhaps those specific people view their religion as some sort of get-out-of-jail-free card and use god's forgiveness as an excuse to behave abominably. I don't know... I just know I want nothing to do with them. The few Christians I've met who have been better people actually have beliefs that go directly against the fundamental rules of the religion. The high level of corruption among the fundamentalist Christians I've known is one of the main reasons I fled the religious scene as soon as I realized I'd been brainwashed into it. Also, the disturbing trend for brainwashing in that environment is the tombstone on the grave of Christianity to me.

I believe in ghosts. I've seen a couple odd things in my life, although in reality those things aren't very solid evidences. I am intrigued by the paranormal world, and at the same time scared of it... because I feel fear sometimes, in strange places, for no apparent reason... other than it's probably something beyond the world of the living as we understand it. I have absolutely no clue what's supposed to happen to us when we die... but yes... I do believe in ghosts.

I believe abortion is murder. Ethically. I am saddened by how money has influenced that argument, and how biased the media is thanks to the currency flowing around on the pro-abortion end. I am also saddened that the religious right has helped people not believe abortion is murder... by mixing their faulty beliefs into the argument. They get hung up on the god end and piss people off who don't believe in god. You don't need to believe in god to understand the concept of murder. Especially when abortion doctors take things to such extreme lengths like Partial-Birth-Abortion. They shoot themselves in the foot on the whole "when does life begin" argument when they're stabbing scissors into the skull of an almost-completely delivered baby. Graphic, yes, but that's what this madness has come to... and I'm so very glad that procedure is finally coming under fire.

I do not believe in evolution. I think it is an interesting idea, and a great background for fictional works. I do believe in natural selection, but the leaps that evolution asks for are too great and I have not been impressed at all with the supposed evidences supporting evolutionist claims. I would really like to see those gaps filled, so that the theory could become fact if it is fact at all. I'd like to see more scientists challenge evolution itself, by presenting other theories or trying to look at current scientific knowledge without assuming evolution is true. By assuming evolution is, even in part, surely fact, I think many scientists have clouded their minds as badly as a religious person does when they give their soul to a higher power and shut off the ability to think on their own.

I believe gay people are absolutely normal. I don't really care whether being gay is genetic or not, but I do believe it is something a person has a right to be if they want. I believe it could be genetic, but I'm not a geneticist so it is silly for me to state something as fact that I do not know for sure. On the flip side, perhaps everybody has the potential to be gay and some people just resist the temptation or don't care for it. I wish that those who consider homosexuality as vile would learn the simple idea that there is so much hatred and evil in this world, if two people can find it in their hearts to love each other, that is beautiful and should be cherished.

I believe I would change any of these beliefs if I were presented with convincing evidence that I was wrong. I used to be a fundamental Christian, and honestly, I'm glad I'm not that person anymore. That person would not have changed her beliefs for anything... or so she thought. Meanwhile, I'm doing what I can to survive in this crazy world, and I can only ever be me... but I want to be the best me I can. I have my limits, but I know them and I am not afraid to admit them, nor do I flat-out assume that those limits can't be conquered... but I do need to be realistic when it comes to my disabilities. I have talents and I wish to use them as best I can, and if I can make someone smile or laugh or think or maybe even cry (but not in a hurtful way), I have done something on this planet and that is all I could ever hope to do.


So... what do you believe?
The videos I mentioned in the text:

Richard Dawkins and Alister McGrath - unedited and unused interview that is very philosophical (translation: big werdz) but omgz watch teh theologian waffle!!!

The Root of All Evil? Part 1: The God Delusion - really good, just really... wow. excellent.

The Root of All Evil? Part 2: The Virus of Faith - a continuation and also really great stuff

Note that the videos are pretty long... and as far as the text goes, I could have added a few more subjects... but eh, it works. And I guess it's something I've wanted to say for a while, if only to figure out just what the heck I do believe... It annoys me when god-folks assume a person is absolute evil or totally left-wing-liberal if they don't believe in god. Just cuz I'm not part of an organized religion doesn't mean I don't believe things! :P

Thanks again to teh *AtheistsClub for spreading teh enlightenment, and the journal entry I mentioned in the text is here: [link]


Weapons of choice: WordPad, LiveJournal's spellchecker, and my mind
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humanisticparadox Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2010
One point stick out in what you wrote, this: "I believe I would change any of these beliefs if I were presented with convincing evidence that I was wrong"

You could've said, you believed in the flying spaghetti monster in that sky and I would still find you a very logical person just as long as it ended with that statement.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
:D I like the flying spaghetti monster concept but I like the Discordian agenda of WTFness more, so... :giggle:

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kobyinperspective Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2008
I agree on every count except two. Let's say you were raped.You are thirteen. You find out you are pregnant. Wouldn’t you want an abortion? Sure, you could put the baby up for adoption, but why would you want to bring the child of a RAPIST into the world? You would be passing on the gene of a horrible person to a child that would consist 50% of that person. How could you bear to carry that child? This is why I think abortion is ethical. Now for evolution. Evolution is so proved that it is mandatory in the U.S. school curriculum. The word “theory” in it means that it is as much of a theory as relativity is. Natural selection is evolution. How can you believe in natural selection and not evolution? So basically animals appeared out of nowhere and then the whole survival of the fittest ensued is what you’re saying, correct? That doesn’t sound all too logical to me.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for replying, been a while since I've gotten feedback on this (wasn't sure anyone reads it anymore).

I'm still undecided on the evolution issue, and it has more to do with the evidence presented in its favor that throws me off. It is entirely possible to believe in natural selection without believing in Darwinism (I'd say "evolution" but that word can be misleading, though when I mentioned it in the text I meant Darwinism and the sort of evolution he presented.). Also I have major issues with the Big Bang itself... and if you read up a bit on the progress of "science" you'll see that the validity of Relativity is actually in question, and for good reason. (I put quotes around that word because too much of science now is just pandering for money from the ruling political groups of the System, which means if a scientist needs to skew or fudge data to get his grants... it's quite likely to happen).

Whatever genes a person has, their own life choices are just that... their choices. It's unfair to blame offspring for the same crimes as their parents as if those children will turn right around and do the same thing. If genetics worked that way, I have 100% abusive genes in my body and I'd be taking advantage of everyone around me and stomping my beliefs all over theirs. (Welcome to my parents.) Ugh. Why in the heck would I want to do that? Now, I will say that I'm not entirely sure what to do about the so-called "hard cases" of abortion. I still don't think it's right to take it out on the unborn child, though. That child could cure cancer for all we know...
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kobyinperspective Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2008
I do agree with you about certain aspects of science when it is funded by biased companies, but I am still firm on my belief regarding Darwinism. I do not see a single flaw in his theory, it pans out perfectly to the once unanswered questions (in my opinion). And OF COURSE I believe a person's personality are almost entirely their own choice. I say almost, because of course, genes do definitely take a significant part. I think environment has to do with it the most, though. Say a child had abusive, controlling parents. He might have incredible potential to become their opposite, but if he was never introduced to an idea that anyone could be different, he'd turn out the same. But if there was SOMEONE in his environment that was different, he might become an amazingly caring and kind person.

There is no way to regulate "hard" cases of abortion. But I can assure you no one wants to endure an expensive, extremely painful surgery without due cause. Not to mention the emotional damage. Plus, anyone who doesn't want their child would not be providing a healthy environment in which a young cancer-curing mind would thrive.
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aumarra Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist Writer
Many of these are also very true for me.

But I honestly believe in the evolution theories... not all of them, but several of them. In other words, the ones that are closest to actually being real. :nod:

But yeah- it's all cool by me. Ghosts are awesome-- especially when your b-day is the day before Halloween. :w00t!:
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Whoah, excellent birthday! :highfive: Mine is Winter Solstice lol... most years anyways (bah to anybody who dates it on any day other than the 21st lol).

Thankye muchly for teh fave and for teh watch! :excited: :glomp:
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aumarra Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2007  Hobbyist Writer
Yer welcome. ^^

I enjoy meeting other atheists like me, even if we don't share all the same beliefs. :nod:
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Same here. :highfive:
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aumarra Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2007  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, yes....

I've decided to write up something like this.

I'm so very bored. xD

(wow... it's been about a month since I last posted here... ^^';)
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:giggle: DO IT! :w00t:

Err... :tea:
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aumarra Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2007  Hobbyist Writer
Already did. xD
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BetweenTheEchoes Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007
When I ran across this, I got angry. The fact that you deny evolution saddens me. The entirety of modern biology is based on the knowledge of evolution. Organisms adapt to their environment over a long period of time through mutations in inherited traits. There are many proofs of evolution, one of the best being the female Gypsy moth, which do not fly, and yet still have wings. We call these "vestigial" and it means that it is an organ or body part that was inherited from its ancestors but no longer serves a purpose because evolution has caused it to either fuction differently or survive in a different environment.

Another good example is wisdom teeth. These were evolved inside our mouths in order to better chew plants as simians. The precursors to homo sapiens, such as australopithecus, had larger skulls to accomodate for this.

Evolution isn't just "believed" by most scientists, it is accepted as fact. A scientific theory is completely different than the vernacular use of the word theory. In order for something to become a scientific theory, it must go through rigorous experimentation. Evolution has been witnessed in labrotories between single-celled organisms.

If none of that convinces you, these two things ought to, and if you don't know what they are, look them up: 1) African killer bees, and 2) various viruses that have literally evolved traits that are used to be resistant to antibiotics and 3) which has, in fact, been shown that certain hormonal reactions in the hawthorne fly have actually began occuring later in the season. This is because they are non-Native to America and have adapted a way to grow and mate at a rate most suited for their environment.

Don't take this as an attack, but you obviously just don't understand that evolution is to biologists as gravity is to physicists.

It has been proven, many times, and there is more evidence for evolution than I could possibly fit in this comment.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, if it actually makes you angry, it's possible you need to look at your own motivations a little more closely. I've actually been questioning my own disbelief in evolution lately, but I have more pressing matters on my mind (like finding a safe place to live) that make for an entirely different perspective.

All good points, and you seem to know what you're talking about. I'm not a scientist and I've had to throw out a lot of my initial education so it's tough to figure out where I am now. I've noticed an irony in my thinking though: I'm more likely to accept evolution on a grand, universal scale (like planets eventually evolving out of dust clouds or something) but less likely to believe it on a closer, more biological scale. The thing is, I've been presented with so many inherently false things in my life (*cough* religion *cough*) that it's hard for me to be anything but sceptical of pretty much anything that gets thrown at me. And yet I do believe some things to be true. Eh, I guess that's part of being an individual.
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BetweenTheEchoes Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007
*ahem* I meant laboratories, and when I said "two things," I meant.

I guess I should try not to get so distracted while posting, not to mention proofread a little, heh.
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BetweenTheEchoes Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007
And I did it again. I meant "three things."

Man, have you got me worked up over this lol.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL it's all good. *has no brain cells at the moment anyways* I don't think I even noticed... ^^;
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KuraiguNoir Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007
Interesting piece - though I don't agree with all of your points, it's good to see people who are unashamed of their beliefs, but would also change them if something more convincing came about (that last bit I find is particularly lacking in too many people). C:

Just out of curiosity, if you don't believe in God or evolution, what do you personally believe in? (I'm an atheist evolutionist, btw)
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, I'm a Discordian, but of course if you know what that means (or look it up on Wikipedia lol) that means I don't even have to believe in anything basic to the Discordian tenants. In fact, it would be most Discordian of me to not believe in *anything* related to Discordianism. :giggle: If I bother to really think about it, I'm most likely to believe in Descartes' malicious demon theory (think The Matrix)... but I'm sort of the easygoing type and am not really bothered that I don't understand the secrets of the universe. :D
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KuraiguNoir Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007
I dunno...this all seems too much of a stretch of the imagination for me but, meh, ppl can believe what they like C:
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Ayesh. :D I do actually like the core belief of Discordianism, that everything is chaos, and we all see that chaos through different filters... no one person will *ever* truly see what another sees.
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RoseOscura Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
if anyone argues with your statement on abourtion, send them to the "queensland right to life" website, they should change their mind after reading that.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, some people you can't change the mind of at all... I don't really care if anyone disagrees with me. :shrug:

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RoseOscura Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
meh. i guess, i enjoy arguing with people, espesherly if im right.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:giggle: I used to... but I've been lookin' for a much simpler life lately. Now, start a debate on something related to Riddick or Pokemon or FFX orrrr.... LOL then you might wanna bring teh flame-retardant gear. :mwahaha:
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umpa2 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
Nice you seem like a cool person, quite brave to say your beliefs, i don't believe all that you do.
I believe that god is just a manifestation of peoples hate and fear of the real world.
I believe that people should have the right to choose.
I believe that life is best enjoyed doing random things.
I believe that religion doesn't help or solve anything.
I believe evolution is real, and is the best thing at explaining where we came from currently.
I believe abortion is murder but it is also necessary.

Most of all i believe to always be true to yourself.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with some of what you do (especially regarding religion). :nod: Thanks for responding! :D I don't really like getting into arguments about abortion... there are some things I'm still not sure on in that respect... and I get enough of that topic in the house I'm currently in anyways. :paranoid:
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umpa2 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
Im not here to argue, i canne be bothered.
^^ its just nice meeting other athiests.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:nod:
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arko-del-oeste Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
Don't beleive in god? Hmmm, yup never given a second thought about something I found out I couldn't prrove.
Christianity is dangerous? Well, I'd say that any zealous faith in something is dangerous; and it blurs the line between true beleivers and those who use it for personal gain.
I believe Christianity is dangerous and actually quite evil? Well, nah. I'd take a line from Gandhi to explain it to you.
"I like your christ, but I don't like your christians."
I believe in ghosts. No comment
I believe abortion is murder; tough luck. Everyone has their view. But it is murder.
I do not believe in evolution; well considering that you beleive in natural selection a little research into evolution should convince you. However you shouldn't sort of generically class scientists into one group, a biologist and a physicist have as much in common with eachother as a steel manufacturer and a candle-stick maker. In as much so there are some coincidences of working together.
I believe gay people are absolutely normal, good. How about bi's? X3
I believe I would change any of these beliefs if I were presented with convincing evidence that I was wrong. That is the only sign of a mature person, and good on you.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for responding, and I'm bi. :XD:
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arko-del-oeste Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
[3 yay bi!
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Believerster Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
Just wondering, if you don't believe in evolution, what do you believe in? I'm not trying to undermine your beliefs, i'm just curious.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Honestly I'm not sure that I need to believe in anything along the lines of "where did the universe come from" right now... especially considering I'm not impressed by the evidences of any of the current theories (altho I did say I'm most likely to believe Descartes' malicious demon theory, orrr to put it more modernly, something like The Matrix). I have a lot of things more pressing going on... like... finding a safe environment to live in. :paranoid: But I do wonder at times, and I like to see the current scientific theories and how they're evolving. That's one thing that definitely evolves. :nod:
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Believerster Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007
I know about Decartes' theory, I had to read Meditations, but he was a philosopher, so for me, not enough evidence :P
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:giggle: I like philosophy until it starts going around in circles. :crazy:
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BobTodd Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2007
You say you believe in the existence of natural selection but not evolution, but natural selection is simply the mechanism by which evolution occurs -- it is evolution for all intents and purposes. I don't mean to be rude; it's just that your choice of words seemed odd to me.

Evolution does not ask for any "leaps" -- it is a slow and gradual process. It may appear to demand leaps from species to species, but that's only because grouping organisms into species is a human thing to do and there is no intrinsic moment when one species suddenly becomes another. If a transitional form is discovered it is either shoehorned into an existing species or declared a species unto itself - nobody ever says 'this is not quite a species B yet but it's not a species A any more' and leave it at that.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
I like your signature. :giggle:

Forgive me if I'm skeptical, and I do know that pretty much my entire school-bound education was horrifically tainted by religious factors that drive me nuts now... but I don't see how believing in natural selection equates me with having to believe in evolution. Too much of evolution's evidences were hoaxes early on, and that really bugs me. Maybe it's not science's fault those things happened... but I'm still unimpressed with what's left. Also at this point, I don't really care... because I have more pressing concerns, like finding a safe place to live. ^^; Ah, life... :crazy:
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HealingBlight Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2007
I am curious to know why the hoaxes bother you when (1) It was scientists who showed them as hoaxes in the interest of accuracy and scientific truth (2) They do not influence the modern understanding of evolution trough natural selection (Mainly because they were shown to be hoaxes).
I too am a lay person with regards to biology, but if there was one good thing from creationists, it's that there are many people out there refuting the creationist claims, odds are the main source of attacks on evolution you will hear.

(Also, don't ask for forgiveness for being sceptic, it’s a good thing, especially when it appears to be honest and unbiased, unlike most of those who don’t accept evolution as the best current explanation for the diversity of life.)
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Eh, I guess it comes down to "once bitten twice shy"... I'm more likely to be waaay more skeptical of something if someone's tried to shore it up with lots of bogus junk. Either I'm too judgemental, or I've run across a lot of crappy people in my life and somehow equated those deceptions and disappointments with other things too, even science. Hmm... good to think about it and wonder lol. As far as evolution goes, I do like what I've been hearing on the grander, universal scale as opposed to the closer, biological scale. I pretty much take everything with a huge grain of salt anyways, so... who knows. ^^; (And if that made no sense, I have no brain cells at the moment. :crazy:)
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CynicBoricus Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2007
Interesting that you've done this... Yeah what has been the most cause of death for the past 2000 years? religion(mostly Christianity... not gonna make this long... if i wanted to do that I'd write my own entry) anyways nice observations my beliefs are more based on logic and the fact that I've actually seen these "perfect gods" or "Miracles" Religion is a tool, don't be altered by this tool stay the way you want to be.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
:thanks: My mother unit recently got into a religious discussion with me (I started it, mostly based off the stuff Dawkins says in those videos, but I should have known better and just talked about stupid crap) and she pretty much railroaded the conversation into "but god shows us he's very real in so many ways, and he speaks to me and shows his heart and blah blah blah blah" and all I can think is ... yeah... does that justify the way you treat your kids? Does god tell you to do that? :paranoid: .......siiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh............
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CynicBoricus Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2007
... i once started a conversation with the Religious Club leader in our school... anyways.. it ended me being a sinner and being damned to the lowest depths of hell, didn't really explain to me how and why he thinks god is real. just threw his zealous rantings and curses upon me, and left it like that.
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tirsden Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Sounds about right. :shakefist:
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