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We voted to Leave..

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On my route to work, there is a sign that looks like this, but with "Vote Leave" changed to "We voted to leave." I recreated it here.

In June 2016, Britain voted to leave the European Union. We were due to leave on the 29th of March, instead, due to the failure of the Tory government to negotiate a good deal and the failure of parliament to agree to any path, Brexit has been postponed. The reason is very simple, the politicians have no will to implement what the people voted for. 
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redditredcoat's avatar

Love your stuff, hoping you come back.

Valeyard-Parallax's avatar
Honestly my blame is far more with the opposition. At least the Conservatives tried to get a deal through, iirc outside the TIG defectors only 6 remain Conservative MPs rejected the deal, other tories rejected it because they favoured a no deal Brexit. And considering the split in the party between remainers and brexiteers, it's amazing Theresa May managed to make a deal that got both the support of arch-remainer Kenneth Clarke and one of the faces of Brexit Andrea Leadsom. Theresa May tried her best and considering the circumstances quite frankly it's amazing she got as far as she did. It is the Labour Party and co that have failed the British people, at least the most. Labour and the opposition bang on about the government refusing to compromise but the PM has done nothing BUT compromise; her entire deal is a compromise between brexiteers and remainers, Labour only want to frustrate Brexit and have an even softer and UNNECESSARY customs union which frankly I would rather join the EEC 2.0 or just outright remain than have, as a customs union would destroy the economic benefits of Brexit (more freedom to determine FTAs). Labour refuse to compromise on this issue more than the government and frankly, if there is no way out of this mess I favour a referendum on the terms of Brexit over just forcing through a softer than a newborn puppy Brexit. 
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
The politicians have no will to implement what the people voted for because they know Britain is better off in the EU.
AdmiralMichalis's avatar
In the short-term, perhaps it would be better.  In the long-term, however, the British would be giving away both sovereignty and economic power to a political entity that has enforced a policy of economic servitude on several EU countries - My own among them.  What does that say of politicians who are willing to remain a part of a Union - against their own peoples' vote, mind you - that treats its members in such a way?  
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
Britain is a key player in the EU, they can only change the rules by remaining a member. If they leave they'll still have to deal with the EU but on Europe's terms. 

I don't think Greece can blame the EU for the mess it got itself in.
AdmiralMichalis's avatar
If you believe the EU can be reformed from within, I point you to the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty and the Irish Referendums, the 2015 Greek Referendum, and multiple other occasions on which the EU actively ignored democratic votes and resisted the ballot box - the very essence upon which European constituencies enact change in their governments.  The idea of reform from within is already dead at the foundational level, and thus there is no other choice.  This is a double-edged sword for the EU, in which it will hurt them equally as much (and even more in the economic sense as the UK is the EU's largest consumer) if a No-Deal Brexit occurs.  Inversely, Britain would have economic opportunities with an overwhelming majority of the Anglo-sphere post-Brexit.  Therefore, the Union can afford a no-deal scenario long-term far less than Britain could.

You would be correct.  However, the EU is responsible for is the prolonging of the mess' effects, the stagnation of the Southern European economies, and the complete circumnavigation of our own democracy.  
DarthBane48's avatar
Yeah let’s just ignore that the same European Union voted to pass Article 11 and 13 despite millions protesting against both laws.
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
What does that have to do with Brexit?
DarthBane48's avatar
You said that “Britain is better off in the EU”. I am using Article 11 and 13 as a counter argument.
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
Yeeaah, I don't think the cons of Article 11 and 13 outweigh the pros of staying in the EU...
DarthBane48's avatar
Seriously? The European Union are a bunch of unelected authoritarian bureaucrats. Article 11 and 13 are an example that they don’t give a damn about what the people want. If you honestly believe that then your supporting authoritarians that are more than happy to destroy the freedoms of everyone in Europe.
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
EU MEPs are elected by their member states. Please explain how Article 11 and 13 will "destroy the freedoms of everyone in Europe."
DarthBane48's avatar
EU MEPs are elected by their member states.

And said MEPs are ruled over by EU commissioners and the commissioners are not voted in by the public and the commissioners are in charge of writing legislation not the MEPs. That is completely undemocratic. 
m.youtube.com/watch?v=RbUGej05…

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=DD0DKFXy…

Please explain to me how Article 11 and 13 will destroy the freedoms of everyone in Europe. 

First of all I said that the unelected bureaucrats are more than happy to destroy the freedoms of everyone in Europe and second article 13 the copyright directive kills remixes, the careers of anyone that’s a movie reviewer, game reviewer, blogger, commentator. Any site that hosts transformative content will be considered liable for that content and those sites will be sued unless said content is removed and this will apply to anyone on the internet criticizing the media and this directly benefits the EU by silencing dissenting voices in Europe.
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Impllied's avatar
Yes, the Professionally Corrupt Political Elite most definitely know what's best for the Plebeian Filth. After all, this has nothing to do with their own careers and everything to do with "what's best" for "the people."

Meanwhile, let's just skirt over the fact that it is literally their duty to implement "what the people voted for" regardless of what they think they "know."

Because that's how Britain is better off, ultimately, isn't it?
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain. Leaving the European Union could eventually lead to the dissolution of the UK, which isn't what people voted for. 

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Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”.lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/…

Well there ain't gonna be a UK after Brexit...lol
Thumboy21's avatar
Neither Scotland or Northern Ireland want to leave. Scotland voted to stay in the UK 5 years ago. Polling data and election results since the Brexit vote do not indicate that either want to leave the UK. This is a tired talking point, find something new.
Thumboy21's avatar
What of it?

Your comment was ridiculous to anyone who has any understanding of the basic political reality that politicians are not objective reasonable people trying to scientifically determine the best policies. They are deeply corrupted by money, the national political climate, international pressures and media framing.
Girl-called-Lola's avatar
"...politicians are not objective reasonable people trying to scientifically determine the best policies. They are deeply corrupted by money, the national political climate, international pressures and media framing."

So you're an Anarchist? 
Impllied's avatar
So you're an Anarchist?

What? It's anarchic to want a responsible, accountable government that doesn't spend all day serving its own interests instead of those of the people who elected them?
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Thumboy21's avatar
Not at all, these are well accepted facts across the political spectrum. What the solution to this is where people will differ. My solution would be aggressive campaign finance reform to remove the ability of big business to buy politicians. 
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Impllied's avatar
But clearly, they voted wrong, so now they must vote again!

I mean, that is how it works, isn't it?
Thumboy21's avatar
Eventually they might give the right answer : P
Impllied's avatar
Ireland did, why shouldn't Scotland and the UK ;)
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