Could Tiananmen Square Happen Here?
Right now, the country is probably the most divided that it's been since the Vietnam war went south. People are taking sides, battle lines are being drawn, and we have riots in the streets in places that nobody ever thought that there would be rioting.
The left are calling everybody who isn't on their side Far-Right, and the right are calling everybody who isn't on their side Far-Left. And people are throwing around words like Fascist and Marxist around like confetti, without actually understanding what either word means.
We also have an election coming up where the incumbent is laying the foundations to dispute the ballot months before it's even been cast on the grounds of potential fraud that his opponents - frankly - don't seem competent to actually pull off.
Put these two things together, and what do we have?
We have a recipe for one huge great mess, is what we have.
Right now, there are 3 scenarios that seem likely.
1) Trump loses and stands down gracefully (or, at least as gracefully as somebody like him can). Maybe he disputes the ballot, maybe he doesn't. But he stands down of his own accord
2) Trump loses, disputes the ballot and refuses to leave office
3) Trump Wins
In the case of situation number 1, the liberals will probably riot, they will probably burn some things down, but mostly only in their own home towns. This is in their nature, like football fans who go on the rampage after their team wins. There will be the usual heavy handed police response, but eventually people will go home and stop acting like sore winners.
In the case of situation 2 and 3?
Well, a lot of things could happen, but one of them will definitely involve a march on Washington, and possibly the large sit-in that this nation has ever seen, by a lot of very angry people who want Trump out. And who are intent on forcing him out because they either can't accept the ballot, or won't accept his reason for disputing it.
Trump will see this as an attempted coupe, the culmination of a grand conspiracy against him, and an attempt by his enemies to force him out of office (If he wins legitimately, he wouldn't be entirely wrong in his way of thinking).
The question is what will he do about it, will he sit there and wait for the protesters (who will probably try to camp on his lawn) to get bored and go away, or will he call up his generals and his police chiefs and tell them to remove the protesters by force?
Based on what he said about other protests, and on the rhetoric at the RNC, about Trump being the president of law and order, my money is on the latter. He will call in the police, and he will call in the national guard, and if the protesters are still there after that he will call in the army.
I think that this is more a matter of when rather than if he will send people in to clear the protests. Trump doesn't like people defying him, and he sees tolerance of this kind of defiance as being a symbol of personal weakness. He said as much regarding the mayors of towns where there has been rioting by liberals.
This leaves us with one more question, and one which I do not know the answer to, nor am I going to attempt to call (at least not at this time). What will the police\national guard\army do when Trump calls them in?
Will they side with Trump, or will they side with the protesters?
And, further more, will it make any difference whether Trump won or whether he lost and refused to leave?
Could we see a situation where Trump orders the police and the national guard in, and where the National Mall becomes our very own Tiananmen Square, or could this be seen as an order too far by those in command?
Edit: It looks like RoyCalbeck decided to make a post comment and then immediately block me to prevent me from responding to it.
That leak that everybody thought was fake
I suggest you review this video: https://youtu.be/PZvCPrsWqzI
Taken in the account of proven fraud on a large scale with mail in ballots right now, and the fact that the dems are pushing for mail in and ballot harvesting plus zealots with extreme TDS in positions that allow access to ballots that are mailed in, (mind you this isn't the absentee ballots), add in the dems with 4 years of trying to disrupt and undo the 2016 election since the very night the president won, Would it not be surprising that the dems and left would do anything and everything including massive ballot fraud to over throw an election that they know will not go in their favor due to how the public is sick and tired of the lies and ineptitude of the dems and their promotion of the riots and destruction while supporting a pedophile with dementia who can't make a coherent sentience while having a political rap sheet of corruption and racisim. What I find also strange is the blaint lies and belief that the president is at fault for the virus that the CHINESE released and LIED about and prevented information to be released to try and cover up, causing the world to not be able to react when it could to have minimalize the impact.
You say the right will riot and be violent, when the only rioting and violence that is going on and being done by anyone is all on the left who are literally marching in the streets shouting death to america and preaching communisim.
No way I'm clicking on that link.
Embed a Youtube.com video if you want me to watch it.
As far as I'm concerned there is no evidence of massive mail in voter fraud. It's a silly conspiracy, and this is coming from somebody who has a plan defend their home form zombies.
Have you any idea how hard it would be to intercept or alter all of those individually mailed in ballots? The organization and the infrastructure alone would require a secret army of people embedded in both the postal service and the electoral services. You'd need thousands of people operating in tandem for an extended period of time and you'd need to have been setting this up for years in order to get them all into position.
I'm mailing my ballot in. To steal it somebody would already need to have stolen my identity in advance, and to have my identification details, they'd then need to find my ballot at the mailing center, take it out of the system, alter it, then put it back in the system without anybody realizing. And they'd need to do that for every single vote that they wanted to compromise.
Do the math, in order to swing the election they'd need to falsify probably 3-4 million ballots. And if we're being generous and giving them 15 minutes to find a ballot in among millions of pieces of mail, forge the details, and return to the sorting office without anybody noticing. How long do you think it would take, and how many people do you think that it would need?
And, it was Trump who didn't close the borders with China, or with Europe for that matter. He didn't bring in quarantine for people from infected areas, and he didn't impose domestic travel restrictions when the virus was mostly limited to a few hub cities.
China let the virus out, but we let it in.
Youtube videos get taken down or changed every day. By typing it in there is a record on this page of exactly what you're talking about that will exist even if Youtube censors the video.
I've seen several sites warning of a "Red Mirage" aka that Trump will win on election night but that as mail-in votes are counted in the following days that it will shift to a Biden victory. Defiantly seems like they're trying to delay any Trump victory riots until the last possible moment.
As for the military I can only say what my brother, a captain in the army reserves, has told me. He and his unit are preparing to execute any lawful order given by the president of the United States. Be that protecting civilians & infrastructure from rioters should the insurrection act be lawfully invoked, or removing a squatter from the White House on January 21st.
If the mail in ballots are properly collected and allocated for counting, there's no reason for them to take any longer to count than traditional paper ballots. You just need to make sure that you've got your logistics in place.
It's also a good reason to have early counting, even if the data is kept secret.
Takes longer because they have to verify they were not counted twice and have to verify they can vote. Government workers hate mail in ballots for that reason. It will take a week or more for accurate results.
Half of that has already been done, and the rest is just a question of logistics. You just need to start counting as early as possible and to make sure that you have sufficient people involved. Companies like Amazon do much more than this in an average day.
Insurrection act should be used and the rioting put to a end asap, even if deadly force is needed. Most would likely pack it in once that act was used, but this would allow them to detain these trouble makers no matter what the local government would like to do. Part of the problem is the police arrest these people and the DA just dumps them back out. Part of the reason these went on for so long is the Democrats felt this could end the Presidency of Trump, however it's so out of control now and they spoke out far too much in support and they are in a bind and have no clue what to do now. However I feel if Trump wins then most of this will come to a end and Facebook and twitter will erupt in hate and love and most will move on afterwords, much like when Obama won a second term.
They are not really Americans when they rally to try to destroy the country from within. At some point you have to realize that you either detain them or you remove them permanently. ANTIFA is never going to be happy and are a terrorists organization, they travel all over to cause trouble. I mean are you going to call people that went to fight for ISIS citizens?
If we'd stayed in the Empire slavery would have ended sooner, we wouldn't have had a civil war, and the civil rights movement wouldn't have been needed because British law divided people by nationality rather than race. Meaning that Black Americans would have automatically been given any rights that white Americans won.
I'm not sure that we can even begin to compare the founding fathers and BLM because the word was a very different place back then. For starters, socialism isn't really possible without the centralized system that we have for gathering and distributing taxes.
You should talk to other territories of the British and how they were treated, the Scots and Irish may have a few words to mention about British treatment. Slavery would have kept on as that would have sparked a revolution as well in America. Plus I doubt the Empire would be quick to hurt itself of major income from it. Also Blacks did not immediately gain the same rights in Britain, they also sent huge checks to the owners and nothing to the slaves.
Socialism never works, the minute you tell hard workers they have to pay for non workers then the system collapses, why bust your butt so someone else can do nothing. It has never worked and never will, however Communism does work as you force people to work or pay the price.
The reality is none of this past actually has much merit in current times, people only hold themselves back not the government or some made up other excuse to hide their own actions. Things did take longer to heal in the south but that has multiple causes. Just remember the What If game can be played by anyone when it comes to history.