Why does "Thomas, Terence and Snow" and "Thomas and Bertie" take place in the 1947 and 1948 instead of 1925 (between Thomas the Tank Engine Book and James the Red Engine)???

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One reason could be the Reverend wanted to show that not everything happened “a few days later”. And they are nicely scattered and doesn’t effect the timeline all too much.

There’s also the fact that tractors weren’t around as much as they were back in the 20s and the race happened after Terrance rescued Thomas so that could be the best possible answer out of the two I could think of!
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I always thought both stories took place in the late 1920's since Percy wasn't around at the time and arrived at least between 1930 and 1934.

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I think it makes more sense for Thomas, Terence & the Snow and Thomas & Bertie to take place during 1929/30 at the earliest, 1934/5 at the latest.

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Eh? Where does it say that?

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On the Wiki page for Tank Engine Thomas Again.

That means those last two stories take place after Troublesome Engines and Henry the Green Engine
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That can't be right though. If that was the case, why is it in a book about stories that take place between James the Red Engine and Troublesome Engines? The gap between Henry and Toby make sense, but this?

But then... this seems to show that Bertie was brought to Sodor in 1935 and Terence was built somewhere in between 1933-1935. I think that kind of explains things, but it still doesn't make sense how this could have happened... unless...

I think it could be because the book was published on December 31st 1949. As I seem to recall, in later books, Awdry wrote the dialogue at the start of each book as if he had spoken with the engines and they told him of their past experiences. The Three Railway Engines are said to take place in 1922 and Thomas the Tank Engine is supposed to take place between 1922-1925. But both books were published in 1945 & 1946.

I think we just have to take it with a grain of salt and not try to go too deep into it.

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I assume Awdry retroactively changed the dates of TT&S and Thomas and Bertie because Terence and Bertie weren’t built until later than 1925 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Most likely.

If this did take place between 1925-35, I suppose it wouldn't make sense as Terence was built between 1933-35 and Bertie between 1929-35. I think the two stories are meant to be filler. Maybe Awdry didn't want to make the events take place in an exact year (this most likely changed in later life) But if we were going by the book, yeah, it makes sense to why and I decided to take another look into the Wiki which makes further sense. Tank Engine Thomas Again is actually branched out in years. 1927, Thomas and the Guard, 1931, Thomas and the Guard and then Thomas, Terence and the Snow take place in 1947 while Thomas and Bertie take place a year later in 1948.

It's not unnatural or the first time we've time-skipped like this. After all, everyone asked for more about Thomas, and we got four stories that were branched out in years, then a month later, we get to see the perspective of Gordon, Henry and James after Thomas left which had been going on from 1925-1935 where the stories take place in, then Henry the Green Engine clearly takes place in 1935 because Coal happens after the strike, the Flying Kipper takes place in 1935, but given that Henry would have spent months at Crewe, I think this is how it goes. Events of Troublesome Engines happens in 1934 (as it states the events happen BEFORE 1935, and to point out, it states that Terence was built in 1934) then Henry's Coal issue is seen to late early January, then around later January-Early February, Henry is tasked to pull the Flying Kipper, but has his accident. He is sent to Crewe and spends half of the year having his rebuild then by August, comes home. Henry's Sneeze could take place around September as the boys look to be school boys.

Then we take a whole decade gap between 1935-1951. In between those years, all we know is Bertie is built in 1935, 1936, the Mid Sodor Railway closed down, while in 1937, Sir Charles Hatt left Sodor for railway service overseas. 1938, Mallard is built and breaks Flying Scotsman and City of Truro's speed records, 1939, Gordon is rebuilt then World War Two from 1939-1945 and between those years, Awdry's first child was born, a year later, his first daughter, 1942, first creation of Edward, Gordon and Henry, 1943 is most likely when Skarloey broke down and was retired, then 1945 the war ended and the first book published. After that, a few events off panel happens (you can just look at the timeline on the wiki for the rest) then in 1951, events of Toby the Tram Engine takes place.

So after World War II, and after certain events, in 1948, Thomas and Terence meet and then Thomas gets stuck in the snow. Then, a year later, Thomas and Bertie meet properly and have a race.

And that's basically it. Sorry to have bombarded you with all that information.

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in my cannon "Thomas, Terence and Snow" and "Thomas and Bertie" take place in the 1934 and 1935.

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Not interested.

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Hey, that’s a bit rude, don’t you think? They were just trying to add to the discussion.

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He and I aren’t on good terms.

And don't barge into conversations that don't concern you.

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As someone who doesn’t like seeing people being rude to others; when I see someone being what I believe is rude, that conversation very much becomes my concern.

And I’m not “barging in”, mainly because this is a public art website and forum. If you wanted to have a private conversation, you could’ve used the messaging system.

Look, if you and this other guy’s got beef or bad vibes or whatever, fine. I’ll leave you to it. But I leave you with this advise: When they go low, you go high.

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Thomastank123Professional Filmographer

oh right

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