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SW: Map of Morocco by ThanyTony SW: Map of Morocco by ThanyTony
A little bit later than usual, but here it is, a map from Morocco in the SW universe.
It's a pretty interesting land considering there was no Islam so it makes you wonder how this land develop considering on the side the province of Mauretania...makes you wonder.

Anyway, Enjoy!

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Quiri1997 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016
I think Morocco would be kinda Hispanian vassal.
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ThanyTony Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why? Without the colonial sentimient in this universe, plus without any real animosity due to religious differences...why would they even think on attacking the Berber people to begin with?
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Quiri1997 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016
Wouldn't be militarly, but diplomaticly. The situation would be: Two neighbouring countries (Hispania and Morocco), one of which has more population, better economy and better army (Hispania) than the other. An alliance between them would more likely tend to a overlord-vassal relation, due to the difference of power between those countries. If enough diplomatic influence is shared on that time, Morocco would become a vassal of Hispania. And that's without firing a single shot.
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ThanyTony Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know...for someone who is VERY anti facism, that sounds like a VERY facist claim to make, how about just....leave them on their own? They seem to be doing fine on their own, Why conquer them? Why the "Mighty Spain" has to come and save them from their "Ways of Life and Enlighten them" That sounds like the same thing your people did to the Chichimecas in Mexico, that sentiment of entlitlement you portrait with those words and you even top it off with the "Without Firing a Single Shot" claim...what? WHO says that? Only a conqueror would say that.

And like I say...why? Why would they feel the necesity to assimilate them or have them like their bitch? It's a waste of resources and again, it's not necesary.

Second, what makes you think they're THAT weak? They don't have a barbaric religion like Islam holding them down in the SW universe and still hold many custom from their times in the roman empire, what makes you think they are inferior to Hispanian people? Maybe they have more wealth, maybe they have a stronger military, they are in zones with heayv Neuroi influx after all, for all we know, it could be the other way around, they could fuck up Hispania.

I imagine it wasn't your intention to come off in that way, but the way you phrased it sounded VERY entlitled to the autonomy of the Berber People.
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Quiri1997 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2016
Not conquest, vassalize. And didn't say about "enlighten" (like the British did), just that Spain in real life often used and uses its position of local power in order to influence neighbouring nations in the same way that US does in other countries of America, for example.

I said "without firing a single shot" in order to show that there is no need of a war in order to gain influences in a foreign nation. Which isn't asimilating. It's more kind of... well, the kind of military influence that comes when there is an asimetric alliance between a local power and another country.

About the strengh, well, I'm basing on some headcanons I have about Hispania (since it's based on modern Spain), and one of those is that they have a really tough army with few manpower when related to Gallia or Karsland but with greater morale and capacity. That's not saying "they are inferior", the main inferiority would be due to geography: Morocco is in a desert, which means that they would have less population than Hispania/Spain.

About the autonomy of the Berber People, having them with no autonomy would only lead to a war (like the Rif wars in actual history), so I think they would have their own nation but militarly and economically depending on Hispania.

Anyway, those are just Headcanons.
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ThanyTony Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's the same thing, and you're ignoring my question? Why do this? What is the insentive to do this? Why submit these people to the will of a country? The only incentives for that are exploiting their resources without restrains of trade or expansion, I see NO reason for them to do that when they don't really need to.
And if what you mean is merely cultural influence (What is "Military Influence" anyway? Do they adopt the same weaponary or something?) there is NO NEED to turn them into a vassal to acomplish this, you also have to consider the feelings ot the Morrocan people for this, why would they accept this? Do they REALLY need to? North Africa is not just deserts, it has ver fertile lands to substain itself, which is why Spain and France wanted to colonize it to begin with, if they can exploit those resources, they would have more than enough to substain themselves and wouldn't have the necesity to surrender their freedom to a foreing crown.

Well I don't base mine in headcanons, mine are aproximations using the data I gather with the SW timeline, the maps and my own knowledge of history, I do have my headcanons sure, but when I work on these maps I try not to apply them.
You're wrong, North Africa is not just "Deserts" you do know that the vast majority of the income for the Western Roman Empire came from their North African provinces right? When the Vandals took that away from them, it was a killing blown to the Empire, so those are not just "Empty Hard lands" without anything to offer to substain a civilization, and even then, the Berber HAVE adapted to survie in those areas, I think they can make it on their own without Spain's help, I find it an act of extreme arrogant to think that, the reason Maghreb is so underdeveloped is because it's an Islamic area, no wonder it is like that, but that is not the case in the SW univese, there is no limitation as they would share the SAME religion as most European countries, why wouldn't they have exchanged and traded with them? It's stupid not to...by modern times, I imagine they would have MORE than enough advancement and resources to make it just fine on their own, you're treating North Africa in your headcanons as if it was still an Islamic area, which is NOT the case in the SW universe, things are going to be VASTLY different there.

They have FIVE Countries One Monarcy, A Confederation and 3 Republics, Morroco, Mauretania, Tunisia, Numidia and Cyrenaica...I think that tells you they have more than enough autonomy to not fall into chaos without the gift of spanish compasion to save them, I find yout attitude and dismisal of Berber people capabilities annoying and yes you ARE saying they're inferior because you dismiss them based on the fact that they live on a desert, go pick an history book that isn't called "The World According to Spain" and you'll see for yourself.
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Quiri1997 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2016
Actually Spain wanted to colonise Morocco because of their resources of metal and coal, not because of their farms. But okay, there is no need of that kind of things. I'm regretting what I said.
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Quiri1997 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2016
Something similar happened between Spain and Portugal during the XVI century: The difference of power, together with good relations (both countries were allied and had royal marriages on that period) led to an almost absolute control of the Spanish government in the Portuguese affairs and, ultimately to the integration of Portugal thanks to a sucession crisis.
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