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Some shitheel took exception to me having a drawing of X-23 on here.  He ranted about her eye color, told me to go fuck myself for posting a "lewd picture of her," and then, apparently, reported the pic to dA.  They asked me to "review the rules regarding sexual material" and invited me to "take appropriate action myself."  I've taken the hint and will upload it to HF instead.

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jaythemagicdragon Featured By Owner Edited Jul 1, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I checked the image on HF. That's probably one of the nicest, cleanest pieces of pin-up work ever. That got banned, unbelievable!

I always saw her a an adult character, late teens, early twenties (aside from the movie (which was a completely different character/timeline) and the weapon X flash back intro series they did). Didn't she work as a escort in the comics at some point?

An artists appeal to common sense sadly is unknown at DA mod. I get that they need to keep the site more or less clean, but they could be more communicative to well willing artists.

Trolls... ...they were more fun when they worked in mailorder...
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
She's supposed to be around 16 I think, in the comics.  At least when she was introduced.  I haven't read any of her appearances as Wolverine, so I don't know if she's depicted as being older there or not.  Age is often pretty vague in comics anyway and that's on top of the fact that it's near impossible to tell a 16-year-old from an 18-year-old just by looking at them.  And, yes, I believe she was a prostitute when first introduced in NYX.  I didn't read that book either.
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jaythemagicdragon Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
From what I gather (and have read in various comics) she should be older now as she is a sorta ward for another character named Honey Badger). Not that it matters, DA mods will do as they do.
I didn't read NYX either, but I do read Previews to keep up to date of what is sorta happening in the MU as a whole. Back then I thought she was a rather radical character.
Appearances are indeed pretty vague in comics, as they are in real life. I have been in class with 14 year olds who could easily pass for 21 and have known several 20 somethings who couldn't get into clubs without ID or escort.
I think society is going overboard with the whole not showing 'underaged' nudity thing. I agree that we should protect kids from unwanted exposure and abuse. I have two girls myself, that I would hate to have in such a position (and in the digital age such pictures do not go away). I just think it is sad that teenage boys can only look at 20 something women, that just doesn't seem right somehow as not many teenage girls can live up to the expectations that creates. We had (Club)Seventeen Magazine that at least gave us a realistic indication of what to expect.
In my mind there is nothing wrong with a tasteful artistic portrail of nudity of any age (male or female), but that's just me... ...I don't think nudity automatically indicates porn... ...I know I'm silly...
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
That's very European of you.  American culture struggles with the acceptance of sexuality and social mores, as you well know.  Part of that is simply our size.  It's hard to get 325 million people to agree on anything.
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jaythemagicdragon Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think the acceptance of different sexuality and social mores is unfortunately more or less a Western European thing. Eastern European governments (while their countries supply many adult entertainment starlets) are far more conservative, and don't get me started on the British Isles (many of it's people are great, but the government is soo conservative, everything goes... ...behind closed doors...).

The 325 million is on a federal level, states can make their own laws right? Makes for a much easier time I would think. Also, you have 325 Americans, united by language and somewhat by culture. Try getting people who don't speak each others language, and often have a violent history going back centuries to agree on something that may be for the greater good but not in their short term interest... I am so happy I am not in the European Parlement!
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, I'm no expert of jurisdictional law, but I believe that, while the states can make their own laws in many cases, no state law can overrule a federal law.  That's actually what a little thing called The American Civil War was really all about: the Southern states wanted the right to govern themselves at a state level, free from what they saw as tyrannical federal interference.  One of the most important (but rarely mentioned) outcomes of the Union victory in that war was the consolidation of Federal power over the states and the corresponding emotional unity that followed.  Before the Civil War, most people considered themselves citizens of their state first and gave little thought to any sense of national pride.  It took our nation's most divisive time to ultimately unite us as a country.  Today, the states can only differ, legally in those areas that the federal government allows them to, and that tends to be really small things like whether or not you have to wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle or if you can buy alcohol on Sundays.  A lot of "morality laws" differ from state to state as well.

Culturally, we have a long and sorted history when it comes to repressed sexuality.  A lot of that stems from having been born of, as you say, conservative British culture, as well as the strong religious influences of the Spanish and the Puritans.  Here, nudity is NEVER separated from sexuality, which is why the topic of public breast feeding is such a hot one.  Here, seeing a woman's nipple is considered somehow a corrupt and terrible thing, while graphic violence is shown on prime-time TV.  And when it comes to the sexuality of teenagers, all bets are off.
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jaythemagicdragon Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm no expert on law either, I do know that sometimes states can allow for something that is federally illegal. (Medicinal)cannabis for instance is legal in California and quite a few other states, but the use of it is prohibited for federal employees, as it is still illegal according to federal law.
The union that came from the civil war was not the union Lincoln had in mind. Concessions were made, giving the individual states the right to much more freedom in their laws than originally intended, so maybe the civil war wasn't a total loss. Sometimes it's the little things that count.

Repressed sexuality is a big deal here as well, certainly among the more conservative religious groups. The sexual revolution of the 60's gave a lot of freedom, but that has been tempered over the years. Then again, we have 'informative' shows about sex and drug use that show rather explicit content on late night public broadcast, as well as Durwood Douche on midday public access radio, would that be possible in the U.S.?

Public breast feeding a hot topic... ...a lot has changed in my perspectives since I became a dad, but that never bothered me... ...then again, I have always been pro breast.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
There's no way they'd allow anything like that on TV here, except for pay cable channels like HBO.
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mrfuzzynutz Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah it's just not worth posting stuff like that here anymore...unless it a selfie of your junk, they have 12 babies if you draw nudity
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
Nudity isn't really the issue here...  That's Pinterest that goes ballistic if you post a nipple.  Until now, I've found dA's rules regarding erotica pretty reasonable.  This one specific rule, though, is pretty dumb, and is obviously just them covering their asses.
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jeroenbrugman Featured By Owner Edited Jun 30, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
And Facebook... I've seen some of the stuff they cencore, it just gets sily after a while.

The thing with DA moderators seems to be, they don't take action as long as nobody reports an image, or the image gets so many favs they get to the most popular pages. Understandable, since the amount of artwork posted daily seems to be staggering. I've seen plenty of weird and explicit stuff on DA, some of it is there for years...

The rules regarding erotica are indeed reaonable. It gives a clear indication of what the intended content for the site is. I wish they would be more open to discussion though. I asked questions regarding a deletion once, and got the exact same text as a reply from a different moderator... ...like talking to a machine, which may be true... An artist should at least be able to make his/her case for a specific work of art, if he/she feels it is wrongly censored, especially if he/she is a core member/acctually pays to display art here.

You are right about the specific rule, that does seem to be just to cover their asses legally, and maybe rightly so things are getting ugly out there...

As to this specific case, next time this happens, at least block the user and if you don't want to yourself, have someone else report the abuse. Let's kick the trolls back under the bridges where they belong.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
I'll remember to do that next time.
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Darianblood Featured By Owner Edited Jun 26, 2018
I can't help but feel the appropriate action would involve a middle finger and DA+the idiot in question

As for 'Reviewing the rules regarding sexual material' have they really seen the cesspit and sewer that this site is? I swear almost every week i discover a new fetish i'd never even heard of proudly on display at DA
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
As long as that fetish isn't an underage character aged up to adulthood, almost anything that isn't sexually explicit is okay here.
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Q99 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2018
You know, I can understand and don't get mad at people who're simply prudish or such, but people who're super-nitpicky about stuff like eye-color and canon details? C'mon.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
I was weirdly specific, even if it was correct.  I give credit where credit is due.  Still.  He didn't have to be such a dick about it.
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HarmoneeJC Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018
(Sigh) The idiot probably thought it was supposed to be the girl from the Logan movie.
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
Maybe.  He made a big deal about my comment regarding her eye color, though, calling me an idiot for not knowing that her eyes are GREEN, not blue.  The actress from the movie has brown eyes, so I only assume he's talking about the comic book character...  Whose eyes appear to fluctuate between brown and green depending on the colorist.  I can't find a single reference that shows them as blue, which makes me wonder where I was coming from with my original "why does she have blue eyes?" comment (which still stands with green eyes as well, BTW).  Regardless, though, that's hardly a reason to have the piece deleted.  The whole post was so comically angry, that I initially mistook it for sarcasm.  It was all very strange.
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jkrolak Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
You may also want to 1) ban the idiot - it will save you no end of problems in the long run, 2) report the abuse - might as well make the DA admins earn their money. That profanity is just as much a violation of DA code of conduct as "inappropriate material". 
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TCatt Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
That's a good idea...  Unfortunately, the post was deleted along with the art, so I no longer know who made it.  It's fine.  No need to drag this shit out.  Hopefully, I'll never hear from the dickbag again.  Personally, I'd rather not invite any more scrutiny from the Admins than is necessary.  I'd prefer to stay under their radar.
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jkrolak Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
I can appreciate that sentiment. 

Still, the troll is likely to be emboldened by their success. So unless an X-23 fanatic, you may not have seen the last of them, as they try to pull this stunt again. Unfortunately the DA "mature" label is somewhat of a joke, describing only age (above 18) but not applying to the mentality of certain viewers. They need only not look/move along or check a box and they would never see the picture. Instead they are like gawkers at a car accident.
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