Witchhunts among artists.

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I was very reluctant on writing this journal, as I often just want to inspire and write uplifting things. This topic is a little less so.

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:bulletblue: Witches!

The word 'Witchhunt' comes from a time were some women got accused for being witches because of their beauty or their way to modern way of living (being a single mother or non-christian in times where that was absolutely outrageous). Those women would get ridiculous tests to proof their humanity from which they ultimately would die (burning on the fire stake or getting drowned in a river.) The fact that they did not survive it would proof that they are human and not a witch. We all know that there are no immortal people.. so no woman had ever survived it. 

:bulletblue:  Artists!

Now when we talk about Artist Witchhunts it's pretty similar, an artist would get accused of using unorthodox methods or plagiarism. No one likes plagiarism and therefore a lot of people feel it in their right to get their harsh opinion out there and bash the accused. And just like those witch-accused women, there is no way for the accused artist to get out of it "alive". They will need to proof their originality by undergoing unrealistic tests of internet arguments that no one in history ever won ever and they always end up apologizing even though it doesn't help them. The internet is relentless.. like a lynch-mob

Many artists have suffered from these things and I've seen it to happen to some people I know personally. It does way more harm than you can even image.
the fact that I write this is because there is a new one that has just started again. No I will not link to this person as I am very much against Witchhunts and i'm ere to ask you to please refrain from adding wood to the fire by talking about it. 

:bulletred: The effect caused by artist Witchhunts.

The internet often plays both judge and jury and the punishment resulting out of those Witchhunts are ALWAYS way to severe. I'm not approving plagiarism, but the punishment of ruining the person's career, giving them sleepless nights, paranoia, mental therapy, trauma's and ruin art for them is not the answer. I personally think there is already too much of pretentiousness and high horse opinions that artists force upon one another that makes everyone walk on eggshells. We all make mistakes and often grow into better people from them. 
Also, when we approve of a Witchhunt as a community one time around, we give everyone a free to go Witchhunt as they please all time around. LET'S STOP THIS NOW!

Negotiations by Zolaida

:bulletblue: What not to do during artist Witchhunts.

I've seen some professional artists respond not so professional in a lot of these situations. They were judgmental and rude without taking into account what severe harm this can cause because they are a big example for a lot of their followers. With fame/a following, comes great responsibility, and just like superheroes, you'd better not behave as a villain. But also as someone without any big fame or status, do not think that you have anything to say about this matter. (if it was your own art plagiarized, it's best to handle this with the other artist personally and private). 
In the end, what the hell do you gain from agruing about an artist and hunrting them, nothing! What do you loose? Precious painting time!

:bulletblue: what SHOULD you do when seeing a post that's part of a Witchhunt.

Unfollow. Continue being awesome and paint! :heart:

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As for: Fuck talent! You'll find it if you scroll down :P
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:bulletgreen: Good ideas: Storytelling, characteristics, charm, emotion and design. Not just making things look polished but also convey something more, something that brings it to life and speaks to pe
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This was my contest for those interested:

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:P hahah I figured this was the most dramatic way to put it, but yeah, it's real and it sucks.
For those who don't know what it means: Procrastination is the practice of carrying out less urgent tasks in preference to more urgent ones, or doing more pleasurable things in place of less pleasurable ones, and thus putting off impending tasks to a later time, sometimes to the "last minute" before the deadline.
We all suffer from procrastination. It is pretty innocent when you have it with household chores or packing your suitcase before you go on a holiday. 
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As shown in previous journals there are many
What to do as an artist in training.There are many ways to Rome they say. But I meet a lot of aspiring artists lost and asking me for guidance
and this is what I tell them.
(This is a revisited version of an old journal with new and updated guidelines/info)
Find out what you really want to do with art, there are so many different professions or hobbies to take on.
Graphic designer, Concept artist (mobile and high end), Illustrator of book covers or for card games and so much more.
Once you can make your pick, or at least pick 1 or 2 you must do research on the most valued artwork from that niece. 
Find out what makes the best artist of your favorite field the best artist. What do they paint? How do they paint it? With knowing this you can find out about the things you need to study.

The most basic study aims are the following:

:bulletblue: Lighting.
What forms of light art there? And how does it influence things?
The book Color and Light by James Gurney will
Where to get started before you can apply for workThere is no such thing as suddenly knowing when you are ready to turn your
passion into your profession. But there is a way of measuring your chances on being
able to get work and eventually sustain a living from it.
Accepting commissions or freelance for low payment won't help you. You can think any penny counts, but it will lower the worth of your work and damage the market.
:bulletblue: How to measure that you are ready?
You probably have high goals, but they are usually not your first step. You must search out the clients who can be that first step. Often found in the card game industry, book cover illustrations and smaller game company's. 
Look at the artwork shown by a company such as the card game company: Fantasy Flight games. Compare your skills with the average of their artworks. If it matches yours, you will have a chance. However, keep in mind that those artworks had been done in a limited timeframe, usually within 12 hour
This is why you (and your art) get ignored.People often get the sense of being ignored in the art-scene, especially here online. We all try so hard to get our foot in the door, it's like trying to stuff yourself in an overfull bus like a sardine in a can.
Sometimes you just want to socialize with other artists you admire and you seem to be talking into a brick wall or perhaps you've send your portfolio to a company over a dozen times and still don't even seem to get the smallest response or feedback. I will try and tell you WHY you get ignored and HOW you can get noticed instead.
I will go through the following cases of being ignored:
:bulletgreen: Your comment.
:bulletgreen: Your art.
:bulletgreen: Your Portfolio.
:bulletyellow: Do know, that even though being ignored feels very personal it's hardly ever personal at all! 
:bulletblue: Your comment(s) gets ignored.
It happens ever so often. You notice an artwork or a discussion and you weigh in with your opinion or admiration, perhaps even some feedback? T
The problematic behavior of online artists.There is a bunch of things online artist do terribly wrong on a regular basis. Some of it might be directly aimed to you and some might be things you from others. 
:bulletblue: Way too little time spend on painting/practice.
:bulletblue: People making nit pick pointers.
:bulletblue: The extreme fuzz about labels and methods.
:bulletblue: Witch-hunting/ talking smack.
However I'd like to start with a totally opposite note:
This year I've also experienced great support from the art community for which I'm dearly grateful for.
:icontituslunter: got me an amazing birthday gift(video), made by him and fellow awesome artists:
And the support I've had this past week with the event of my sisters death has been incredibly helpful. (Thank you for all the donations, there are no more worries about money anymore thanks to you awesome people!)

:bulletred: (most of) You seem to spend way to li
Don't let the crap of the internet brainwash you.warning: This journal is my opinion and my view on things. I support open-mindedness and the possibility of anything.
The internet is full of it: People with strong opinions. Usually about 'how to do things' and 'how to absolutely not do things'.
Ask any given person this question: What is good art?
They will all give you a different answer and some of those answers are waaaay to specific for their own good.
Meaning they have a very specific view on what is good and see other work that does not meet up those qualifications as: bad, fake or cheating.
It is natural to have a preference toward certain topics or techniques when making art, but it's wrong to push those ideas upon others as a set of rules. (kinda like forcing someone into a religion)
Art should be a free medium for people to express themselves, even if this means their work goes against your standards or deems unpleasant for your taste.
(Child pornography, animal cruelty etc not included, there are limits to

The stuff that artists go through.There are so many pro's and con as to being an artist, professional or as a hobby. 
It feels nice to be able to express yourself through something you make and when that something turns out to be looking good we get this sense of accomplishment. 
Most of the time though there are bad feelings mixed with the good ones.
:bulletblue: Not being understood. Those moments where your friends or family does not understand that you have to desire to be alone and work on your art. Those copious amounts of hours you spend working and they wonder why you wouldn't rather be outside relaxing in the sun or hang out with your friends.
The only people who will ever fully understand this are other artists or simply very understandable people. It's important they they will eventually understand so there wont be any hurt feelings. Try to explain ti as calmly and rational as you can, perhaps with using examples in terms they would understand.

  Overcome your unfair obstacles.We all have certain obstacles that gives us the feeling of: 'This is so unfair!.'
To me it's one of the most annoying feelings in the world because in general we don't really know how to deal with it. One little part of us says: 'Don't whine about it, you are just being jealous.' the other part of you tells you: 'If I didn't have this obstacle or disability I would rule the world!!'
So you bounce around anger, sadness, hopelessness and envy. 
If you were just sad about something or simply angry it would be a lot easier to deal with, you cry or you just vent a bit towards a friend. 
But how to deal with he feeling of unfairness? 

:bulletblue: There are many things that can form this unfair obstacle for you.
Physical obstacles such as: MS, Lyme disease, Arthritis, Color blindness, missing fingers?
Mental obstacles such as: Depression, being a procrastinator (yes I'm naming it because it's a mental blockade that keeps you fro
Fast lane to becoming a better artist.I often get this very question: How did you get this good this fast?

Now as I consider myself not being as good as people tell me, even struggling quite often with being an artist in general. 
I do know how to get better and how to reach it fast. I'm still growing as I go and it's the main thing that keeps me going.
You need to get into the right mindset and the rest will follow. With the rest I mean:
1. Willpower.
2. Endurance.
3. Positive energy.
4. The NEED to draw.
:bulletblue: Seeing growth in your work gives you the courage to work harder. You know that feeling when you're just about done with an image
and feel like this image is better than your last one, that great feeling. Use it!
:bulletblue: Do studies! Lots of them!! Make film shot studies, live object studies, master-painting studies. They will teach you a lot about composition, lighting, colors, shapes storytelling etc. 
You will hardly notice that you are learning thing
Why it's so important to unite as artists.We are with many though yet we are with few. We're all divided over little subgroups such as, fantasy illustrators, concept artists, comic book pencilers, photomanipers, techartists, anime drawers, realism sketchers etc. You might even find your place at multiple sections.
I found that the biggest united groups on Deviant Art are mostly evolved around fan art, such as Sonic, or My little pony. 
Observations aside, I think the good thing about those groups is that they serve for companionship. Being an artist all by yourself with no one to share/talk about/discuss your work with can feel rather lonely. And that lonely feeling is not encouraging at all. Most of us keep a lot of things taboo as well, like techniques or rates. If we were more openly with these the changes of being underpaid or missing out on a job because someone else does it for hardly any money at all will grow slimmer. People should know what they are worth and not be afraid to ask for it.
When I joined Deviant Art
Are you being honest with yourself?As part of becoming good at something you need to be able to reflect upon yourself. Judge your own abilities and work and consider the possibility that what ever you have been doing it wrong all along. Or perhaps you're actually being to hard on yourself and you're better than your conscious is telling you. (This is bad too because it leads to insecurities.)

Signs that you might overestimate your current skills.
Do you often feel these things when you look upon work from good artists?:
I can totally do this too.
This is not so hard, I can do this faster.
My work is way more interesting.
It's not fair that this person gets way more attention than I do.
Why am I not being recognized for my skills.
This other technique is cheating! (photo-bashing, using reference, filters, effects etc)
I don't need to draw and learn all day to become this good.
I spend 2 hours on a painting, Masterpiece!!
Signs that you might underestimate your skills.
Do you ofte
When someone brings your art down...Putting our art out there makes us very vulnerable, especially when you've made something close to your heart. Perhaps something of your own fantasy, a story, a fan fiction your passionate about?
As much as most of us really want to improve, we also simply want to make art because we love it and when we share it there is a slight hope there is someone out there who will love it too.
There are all kinds of ways other people can bring you down by saying something about your art, or by doing nothing at all! Perhaps YOU are even part of making someone feel down and you're not realizing it!

:bulletblue: The harsh critique.
This person might want to help you or simply likes to bring you down. In either case this person will write in length about your lack of technique, uniqueness and/or skill. 
:bulletred: Respond option: Thanks but no thanks! Tell this person you appreciate the time spend on their post, but you rather hear constructive c
How to deal with or get feedback.Getting feedback or critiques may be hard for people.
Some people want it really bad but can't seem to get it, at least not from the people he/she is hoping for.
And other get it all the time but feel a little attacked or bullied by it.
Pretty much anyone with eyes and some intelligence is able to spot mistakes or irregularities in someone's work. This person doesn't have to be more skilled than you. 
However, this person... might be wrong.... 
:bulletpurple: How do you judge a critique?
You initially made your artwork according to the knowledge you currently have. Leaving room for mistakes in the elements you're not trained or knowledgeable in. Or perhaps you think you know something and you are not aware that it's wrong.
When someone gives you feedback, even though it might feel incorrect. Take a little time to do some extra research on the matter. 
:bulletblue: You can ask others if they agree with someone's feedback.
:bulletblue: You can search online (with anat
So tired of not achieving what you want?So tired of not achieving what you want?

Everyone has something they really want dearly, a career, to have a certain loved one, to be able to make certain things...
The most common one among us artist are:
- I want to be able to draw better
- I want to be able to draw like "this"person.
- I want to earn money with my drawing.
- I want to be able to draw what I imagine in my head.
- I want more people to appreciate my art.
- I want more feedback from artists I admire.
- I want more..
- I want better....
All this wanting.. dreaming of... hoping for.
How about doing it!! With these sort of "wants", it's a matter of DOING IT!
How? You ask?
There are many ways, but the usual and only answers to those desires are: 
- Spend the most time you have on drawing/painting.
- Go and ask people for help, it is okay to do so!
- Look at that amazing artwork and try and figure out how this person made it, perhaps he/she will tell you? Perhaps this person has made a video or tutoria
Avoid getting ripped off by a client.As a freelancer most of your business takes place online, which makes it really easy
for people to rip you off. How many times have we seen the following scenario's:
1- Someone offers a descent payment for your artwork but wants you to do an art-test first.
after the art-test you're being told you're not good enough. Later you find out that other people
got to do different art-test topics and also weren't good enough. The client clearly ripped people off to get free artwork.
2- Someone offers good money for your artwork. The sketch gets approved so you continue working. Right when it's done the total image suddenly becomes a great disappointment and the client ends up not paying you.
These were just 2 examples of situations that happen a lot to freelancers. There are many more like it.
:bulletblue: How to detect if a client is a bit fishy...
Does their email address look professional? Some legit people may use their Gmail address, with their real name or nickname, those are questionabl

The emotional shield that prevents hurt.Being an artist = Being sensitive.
We all know it. Making something and then showing it out there makes you very vulnerable, emotionally.
What if people think it's shit? What if they think it's weird... what will they think? Will that reflect on how they think of me as a person?
I know what some of you are thinking right now... 'You should care less about what people think of you or you art.'
In a sense you are right.. than again, you SHOULD care what people think of you and your art! They are your market and potential clients.
It's easier when you're already doing your dream job and couldn't care less for other potential directions... but most of us will always stay interested in new opportunities.
They= Everyone who see your personality and/or artwork.

Being an artist = Being lonely.
Artists of a certain type tent to stick together. Industry veterans seems to ignore the public eye and the internet fully. Some artists in the making clut
Being a miserable artist = being a bad artist.I recently felt it being one of the most important things, not just for an artist; being happy with what you do. No one wants to get up every morning thinking.. shit .. another work day. Of course there can be days, maybe even a full week of that, but the majority of your time you should be feeling content and happy even.
With that lack of love and enthusiasm it is most likely reflected into your work.

Now it's not always your own fault that your work doesn't make you happy and doesn't feed your creative monster. But it can be in these cases.
You make your OWN workday miserable when:
:bulletblue: If you don't speak your mind and stand up for your opinion and values.
:bulletblue: If you're not open minded regarding feedback and new techniques.
:buletblue: If you don't aim for improvement. (though aiming for perfecting all the time can be stressful)
:bulletblue: when you allow yourself to work under stressful circumstances for too long.
These are
Timing fucking matters.Time does a lot of things, it makes you older, it gets you to places, it never stops going forward. However you control when and how you use it!
Everyone makes choices on a daily bases, most of them are actually done with your auto-pilot function out of habit.

Most people usually sit in the same spot on the couch, chooses what to wear based on previously made combinations and so on, unless they consciously become aware of their action and might decide it's time for a change. It can be a small thing that makes people aware of their options
You can count that pretty much every person out there works like this and YOU often depend on THEIR choices.
My point of this journal is saying: Use this in your advantage!
Time can be compared to a diet. Eating to much bad stuff will make you unhealthy and feel bad, while eating healthy things will keep you going and feel good. So time can either make you feel stuck in one place, maybe even going backwards (ageing already does that for you) or
Things I learned at: The Industry Workshops 2014Holy shit amazeballs... this past weekend....
But let me start of by shortly telling you what the industry workshops actually were.
(The artwork in this journal are from some of the lecturers.)
:bulletblue: What is: #IW_14?
The Industry workshops took place last weekend August 29 to 31 2014, at 2 venues both located at Hoxton Square, London United Kingdom.
It was organized and hosted by a group of industry professionals in the fields of concept art, matte painting and illustration in film, games and freelance.
Let me name the people that profited the lectures and demo's from 10 in the morning to 8 in the evening, ending with a 1+ hour QA session as seen on the picture below.

(Not in the same order as the picture)
Alex Brady, Alex Heath, Alex Negea, Andrei Riabovitchev, Björn Hurri, Dave Neale, emrah elmasli, Jama Djurabeav, Jon McCoy, Jonas De Ro, Kan Muftic, Levi Peterffy, Mark tompkins, Nadia Mogile
When inspiration is far to be found...We all get these anoying times when we really want to make something cool, get inspired and work that magic. We see everyone around us (online) do it, but how come we are not?
So we look for ways to get inspired, we ask around, find these usual answers: go watch a film, listen to music.. take a walk...
But even when we do that, we still end up stuck most of the time.
Part of the solution is knowing WHY we get stuck and this is my theory.

:bulletblue: ADT - Attention Deficit Trait.
'Experiencing an inner frenzy of distractability, impatience, difficulty in setting priorities, staying focused and managing time. Those are our biggest enemies as they all end up cluttering your head and keeping you from spending quality focused time on a singular topic.
Everything we do now a days is based around multitasking and it is giving us a constant overdose of information. Let me elaborate.
How many of you travel daily by public transport and don't look away
Taking your art to the next level in 2015!I am taking my art to the next level in 2015, who's with me?
I want to fall in love with art all over again. Going through the painful process of growth as the art-bones stretch and your creativity get's set loose after wondering if you had any creativity at all!
2015 marks a new year and a new start, make the most of it and don't start it unprepared!
Here follows a list of things I'd like to do in 2015. You could call it a bucket-list. You can copy mine or make your own, but this might give you some ideas for yourself.
:bulletblue: 1. Going through all the fundamentals all over again.
It has been a few years that I studied any fundamentals and they seem to be lost somewhere in a dusty corner of my brain. I will buy: Books, video's, classes and study it by drawing or painting the knowledge I get from this. After doing so I will discus the topics with some fellow artist friends and see if they have feedback or perhaps anything to add that I might have missed.
Here is a
The manic mania when you're Arting.Whenever you create something you go through various stages before it is finished (if you want to finish it that is, not all artwork is meant to be finished.) I've noticed that these creative stages that you go through in that small time period of just one artwork is a manic type of emotional storm.
Funny enough, being artists also means you're probably a more sensitive person than most.
This following stage story is based on my own experience. Yours might be completely the same or perhaps you encounter different emotions thought he development stages. They are sort of placed in order, but you usually don't experience all of them in one artwork. (or do you?)

:bulletblue: 01 The brewing stage.
You got this idea in your head of the thing you want to make. It is not a completely clear vision, but you slowly get worked up and cannot wait to get started working on it. Sometimes if it takes to long for you to get started (procrastina
Do you need a boost?All our art needs a bit of love sometimes :heart:. Maybe this can be achieved by a simple motivational comment or a chat between people.
No one needs a downer if anything! And a simple cheer can be just enough to wash someone's bad mojo away!
I'm here asking you if you need a boost or if you know someone who's really in need of some inspiration/comments/attention/feedback?
Feel free to submit thumbnails in the comment section and make sure to add a reason or a specific interaction you're looking for.
This could be the right time to post a work in progress or discuss work methods! I will pick a few thumbnails from nice people to add to the journal too, so they'll stay on top!

(a work in progress of mine, feel free to leave feedback if you have any :))
I cannot promise I will get to give back to all of you here as I have it hard enough to answer to all the comments I get.
But I hope that you will all pay it forward and not only post some of your
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Edarneor's avatar
Actually, I have an idea why people continue to point at someone selling copied work, or as you call it "witchhunting".

It's because the honest artists that make copies only for study, give credit to source and don't sell it for profit, while trying to get by working hard on their own intellectual property, are extremely pissed off by someone who shamelessly does quite the opposite right under their nose.
I thought it's rather obvious, isn't it? :)
TheDeaf's avatar
"I am very much against Witchhunts and i'm ere to ask you to" -> here*
agreed, though I've never been targeted (yet)
TheDeaf's avatar
"and hunrting them, nothing!"although it doesn't really stops me from understand what you mean, I got in doubt if you meant "and hunting" or "and hurting", both fit well there but... well, words are like highlanders, there can be only one. And I THINk (I'm not graduated in english grammatics, I may be wrong), there should be a "?" in place of that ","

I till agree with the post though. And I continue posting this last sentence just in case I may have seen to rude on the text to make it clear I'm trying to help, not been a moron :p
chasber's avatar
I have even found evolution playing among artists especially musical ones, like the sites that have "Editor Picks" like their watching out for the general public interest. The worst part is working for free and paying to work for free that seems to create "hord" mentality in some artists it could be human nature when faced with our hunter gather traits left over from history. I'm glad i gave up religion I never understood it anyways even at 16 a preacher told my Grandparents he just dosn't get it and that was >40 yrs ago now was he Witch hunting? lol.
Kiwikku's avatar
What happened
Nameda's avatar
I have seen such witchhunts and I think it is often not fair.
a) In my opinion it is absolutely possible to create a similar piece of Art without ever have seen the other before. Creative minds think alike. And being so flooded with information you might have seen something similar years before and even not consciously remember it.
I myself was told (nicely though) that one of my works looks like a popular wallpaper and linked to it. It is looking almost 80% similar, yet I can say 100% truthfully I hadn't seen that specific wallpaper ever before. That could easily have led to a witch hunt too (I can show you my art & the wallpaper in a note if you like)

b) there are many budding artists who start out by copying great artworks, Many famous great artists did start out that way and "killing them off" is killing possibly a promising talent.

I know witch hunt in another area, I started out as artist with emmail stationary, (completely non profit. I had permission from artists to use their art for that  as long as it was nonprofit on file. I had as well permission from Boris Vallejo. As he got in trouble with his manager for doing so he never allowed others, but did stay with his permission for me for 10 works in email stationary form but no more.
So I exchanged my creation in email groups and in one group I was harassed for using illegal material and even after forwarding them the permission they bashed me and banned me because I even faked a permission :faint: (As if I would have done that that can have heavy legal problems faking a signature or permission *shakes head*
I simply stopped sending them out as it was frustrating that next to noone believed me.

don't get me wrong I don't support art theft nor plagiarism at all, but plagiarism is used too often in my opinion people can have similar ideas which lead to similar though not identical results. 
I rather get pissed off at the fact of art stolen and sold as prints on etsy, ebay and else where without the artists seeing a cent for it
AngellesArt's avatar
Very well written! Witch Hunts in all forms end only in sorrow.
TwistedSynapses's avatar
Witch hunts belong to a category of mob stupidity that any rational person should avoid. There's a time and a place for popular outrage. Devote your energy to something that actually fucking matters.
chasber's avatar
parkurtommo's avatar
So you're talking about KRONPRINZ? Right? Regardless if you are or not, I completely agree, that kind of stuff is so stupid, the guy just uses references, he doesn't trace or directly copy anything, the only people who actually think that's copying don't know shit about modern commercial art. 
Suzanne-Helmigh's avatar
It happened to many successful people so far. It kinda became a topic i wanted to approach because of the recent one indeed.
guillaumeleclerc's avatar
While you raise some interesting points, I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you for a very important reason: Plagiarism, and other legal means of plagiarising by abuse of the fair use laws, are positively destroying artist's livelihood. In a time where anyone can google, and find, images of all kinds pertaining to every imaginable subject, and then use those same images with well-nigh complete impunity, the fact that you would take the time to chastise the few individuals who have risen to defend artist's right, and demonize them all as witch hunters, make me seriously doubt the validity and altruism of your actions. One is allowed to work in this world, and to receive fair reward, while would one not be allowed to steal, and than be able to escape their reward? 

You speak of destroyed careers as if they were a calamity, a blight striking the artistic community, when I find myself contemplating a completely different picture. What I see is the rise of plagiarism at every level, to speak of only a recent event, Buzzfeed was found to have literally stolen over 40 articles, entirely or partly, and for sole consequence, the accused was allowed to be re-hired elsewhere quite in the same line of work. We artist are alone against the world, and you've made yourself the champion of plagiarist, those are really the victims you feel need protection? R,R Martin, Rollings, and all the others: plagiarist who should have been crushed entirely and completely, if only in a court of law, but survived because of individuals whose capacity and imagination seems to be limited to what they can see and hear. 

The witch hunter analogy is a bad one, for while we know magic and all superstitious beliefs to be the fabrication of our imagination, but we do not dwell in such uncertainty when it comes to authorship. There are clear, hard factual lines that defines what is, and what is not plagiarism. ( I could exhaustively detail how and why artist's everywhere are being oppressed by a growing disregard for their rights, and nigh systemic abuse of their work by corporations who work very hard to make artists feel replaceable, but I'm already being far too contrarian as it is.) When an "artist" is found guilty of plagiarism, and faces for sole consequence the removal of said artwork or token gestures such as account suspensions, etc... The message which is carried out becomes quite obvious: why bother producing art when one can simply find an obscure artist from whom to steal, and when one does get caught, one can simply remove the artwork, present a token apology or pretend it was but a mistake. 

I hope you are not self-interested in this discourse, and are rather  simply caught up in the whirlwind of irresponsabilisation and unaccountability that is corrupting our society. One can hope your message is one of empathy, but I fear you fell in the same rotten logic that allows our society to leave child molesters, rapists and murderers unpunished: you see only the surface of the problem, and fail to observe the collateral damage. Why not have empathy for the victims, rather than the perpetrators? How many more of your fellow artists must be crushed under the weight of consumeristic laws and mentalities that judge themselves entitled to OUR WORK. Mine hands are cracking, my bones marked by years of work and training, and I should simply stand by and watch as my work is corrupted and stolen by those who have not sacrificed what I have? Should I shake hands with the one who, out of sheer laziness and lack of moral fortitude, does not possess my capacities?  
Are we witch hunters, or simply exhausted, broken, and hopelessly stepped on by the misplaced sympathy of the ever offended? Are we so weak as to coward before confrontation when we know to be right? And for what reason? So as to protect the feelings and reputation of those who wronged us? What you are asking of us is akin to the immoral teaching of the Christian Church: turn the other cheek. Immoral teaching indeed when one takes the time to reflect on the functionality and reality of such a childish notion: you are giving away power to the brutes and mindbenders of this world, and taking away how many of the few defenders we had... When you turn the other cheek, you are not being the "bigger person", but simply allowing yourself, and others, to be wronged and that, without the slightest consequence for your aggressor. You are actively building a world where one benefits from being a monster, and where one suffers for being kind: your attitude will lead to countless more debate, and this you had to know before writing those words, and will only serve to confuse or worst, strengthened the position of plagiarist, tracers and copycats who hide behind a distorted belief in "intellectual socialism" (Which I could perfectly agree to, if in exchange for my providing of entertainment, I was rewarded with enough to make an honest livelihood... One that allows for a family which would need or want for nothing that I cannot provide.) 

The average human is incapable of learning the wrong of their action without direct and equal reaction, we need there to be consequences, be it for the good and more importantly, the bad. You speak of witch hunt, but I fear you may have began one. You say one cannot defend themselves against accusation of plagiarism, which I find misinforming (One more altruistically minded might have taken the time, especially when given such a large audience, to inform authors as to what they may indeed do to defend themselves, but it would seem you chose to, to use terminology I dislike, opt for victim shaming or blaming.), when in truth, one as access to multiple tools to prove the veracity of their claims. The part I find morally reprehensible in your argumentation is when you've outright discredited, dismissed and demonized individuals who make the choice of defending their rights, or the few who will rise to defend the work of others. You've turned them all, or perhaps I should speak in inclusion, you've turned us all into an internet joke, labeling us as hardly more than trolls who would whine instead of painting. You're discourse is one of moral condemnation: were you truly caring about your art, you would paint rather than fight for your rights, and speak of those of us who would in terms I find myself difficult to perceive as anything else than condescending.  Worst, it seems you are even willing to provide tools for plagiarist to simply dismiss their accusers as trolls.  

Do as you wish, paint us as greedy self-centered and over-reacting paranoids out for vigilantism, but I will NOT watch my people burn and smile at the face that burned them. Not for misplaced and out of control sympathy. Not to protect their reputation from something they did do wrong. And I will certainly not allow myself to fall into a condescending, self-gratifying, cycle of misplaced feeling of superiority for the sake of thieves and intellectual property rapists. And you will not see me cry over the "broken faith" of monsters, there are far too many of their victims for me to waste my time, and that of others, caring about them. Not in times where the industry is turning us into replaceable drone, not when our livelyhood is in greater danger than it ever was, not when we are forced to compete with an ever growing tide of copycats who's concept of honor ends with their knowledge of it's spelling! Not when people like you call exaggerated over reaction what is simply the very first step toward something that may hopefully be justice. I will not shed a tear for them, since the punishment I would deem acceptable would likely curl your blood. AND I SHALL NOT BLAME THE VICTIMS!

(oops... guess it was on my mind for longer than I thought. I apologize in advance for the poor english. )
parkurtommo's avatar
Plagiarism in art is rarely clear cut, using references, inserting textures with copyright (but painted over and messed around with so it isn't recognizable), copying compositions but changing the subject matter. All sorts of things can be put together in a sort of figurative, artistic collage where nothing is original aside from the combination itself. That is done all the time. 

In my eyes, if you don't (or can't, rather) get caught it isn't plagiarism. 
guillaumeleclerc's avatar
My objection may be rooted in an epistemological standard, but I feel you've gone and used the: - it isn't a crime if no one was present to witness it- defense.

Your example of using copyrighted pictures is, I feel, perfectly explanatory as for the degree of intellectual honesty and integrity you seem to ask of yourself. I for one would not disrespect's another artist's rights and life work on the sole ground that I cannot be caught.
"Copying Composition" is in itself an admission of theft, given that you implicitly hinted at there being no recognition of the original artist. Without proper acknowledgement, it is indeed rather "clear cut", and it is what draws the line between an homage, or satyr, and a simple act of robbery. The only grey area where I would perhaps accept there being matter of discussion, would be as for the possibility of something being so present in one's culture as to not require any accreditation of the original artist. I can think of the Mona Lisa, as an artwork I would allow an artist to homage or satyr with the assomption that all know that Da Vinci painted the original. Credit, in these circumstances, may well be redundant.

References are not a matter for discussion either, as per their names. You simply seem to be confusing theft with using them. The difference, again, mainly lies between an ethical line you seem to be oblivious of. There are countless artists who will freely, or for rem
guillaumeleclerc's avatar
( accidental post )
- There are countless artists who will freely, or for remuneration, offer their work to be used by other artists. By making the choice of using an artwork without knowledge of the artist's intention and claims, that choice is itself an act of plagiarism, regardless of our ability to catch said "artist" red handed. Without consent, you are inevitably stealing the intellectual property, work and livelihood of the artist.

I find your relativism on the matter franckly stupid. (As in the original sense: meaning doing something that is detrimental to one's self-interest.) and exhaustingly depressing, and I do hope it is only from lack of proper reflection on the matter, rather I face the idea of a global erosion of evidential and imperical thought.
parkurtommo's avatar
That's exactly what my argument is. The effect of plagiarism is nullified because people rarely have the eyes to identify what's original and what isn't. If you aren't familiar with the original content, you'll perceive the recycled content as original. 

I'm not going to say that plagiarism isn't an issue, but as long as something isn't directly copied and sold for actually money, it isn't severe enough to warrant even the slightest outcry. That's just my opinion. (just to be clear though, I don't do any of this myself). 
DeivCalviz's avatar
True.. People sort of exaggerate how they react. Haters hate the artists and his fans will hate the haters.. it's a vicious unending cycle.

Although based on the recent events last week, it showed how little people know about intellectual properties and copyright infringement so I can't blame why some got angry. I guess the best solution is to spread positive vibes, lead by example, and help educate and unite fellow artists. ;)
calbhach's avatar
Totally true. Completely and utterly. I haven't been ganged up on, exactly, but I know what it's like for people to going hating on you, just cause they want to. It's not easy. It was what completely ruined my will to work on a Christian manga project I'd had going for a very long time. This was a so-called "Christian" who reviewed my work...and saw it as trash, and all but said at much. No...they did say as much. In fact, they said they wouldn't recommend the work to ANYONE. And then, all of the reviews of secular works around it (which were the usual set of kid-in-school manga [no, I have nothing wrong with those, btw...]) or even ecchi...yes, this supposedly Christian girl read ecchi...and were all seen as great and awesome. By and large, from what I could tell, the pieces had very little originality to them at all. Mine was a scifi Christian piece which dealt largely with lust. Go figure that a Christian work should talk about something so taboo in the Christian world, huh? It only exists in the real world, supposedly...

Anyway, they really, really hurt me. A lot. I never finished the manga. Never wanted to...never cared. 

You never know who you'll hurt with those kinds of actions and how you'll bring their life to a halt. Think before you talk. :\ Always.
Suzanne-Helmigh's avatar
I'm sorry this has happened to you :(. I hope that some day you will pick it up again, I'm sure that the person was just jealous of your project and when disagreeing on some views just turned into a troll. Do not let the negativity of such people ruin it for you, i'm sure you had others who did like the manga and wanted to see more of it :)
its very brave of you to tackle such a taboo topic too !! :heart: 
betogonzalez's avatar
To the point, I like your thinking
LucaMaria's avatar
While i agree with most of the things you wrote and that the human side of the thing must be considered (besides the fact that phone calls and emails may be also against the law), i don't get the point in saying "art is his/her job, don't ruin it". If a politician is proven guilty of corruption and send to jail, we call it justice. If an athlete is proven guilty of doping and banned for years, we call it justice. And in both cases their reputation is gone forever, with their careers. But it's still justice, for us. They may have reason for their behaviour, but we demand justice as well. So, while i do agree that a witch hunt is always a bad thing, i don't understand why we should be more tolerant towards artists. At least for respect of all the honest artist around. 
CharlottaBavholm's avatar
Yeah I see this happen a lot :/ The advice people usually give is "Ignore the haters, and keep painting", which is true, but man.. witch-hunts can really get to you.

The worst one I've seen is what they did to enayla a few years back. She is a wonderful artist, winner of several awards, you get the picture. She's the real deal, a true artist. But a few people went after her and made so many people believe that her paintings weren't really paintings at all but photomanipulations, despite the tutorials Enayla had on how to paint like her. Eventually she quit the internet.

It's a true example of "this is why we can't have nice things".
SephirothsFlamedWing's avatar
I agree that a lot of people on the internet go overboard on their attacks of people they suspect of doing something bad. That said, there's a difference between viciously tearing someone down for a suspected art theft, plagiarism or so on and bringing attention to someone who is doing those things.

Granted, there are always people who will pile on and increase the level of vitriol. The internet tends to be an outrage machine and it doesn't care much about the facts. Lots of people will go the vigilante route when it comes to 'internet justice!' But people who really are selling other people's work, taking credit where it's not due, or ripping people off are creating victims. There's no internet court where their victims can get restitution for damage done to them.

So, yeah. I think a better message would be: check the facts before you get into INTERNET RAGE mode and attack someone just because someone else says they're an X. The accused person may be a victim themselves, and once you start that ball rolling, that further victimization can't be taken back if you find out later you were wrong.
Suzanne-Helmigh's avatar
i just think internet rage mode is never an answer XD.. it's such a waste of energy :P why not paint? :D
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