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George Boleyn sketch by suburbanbeatnik George Boleyn sketch by suburbanbeatnik
I find George Boleyn to be an intriguing guy, mainly because there is so little info out there about him. Also, he has something of a dark and sordid reputation, what with him being executed because of (flimsy) charges of incest with his sister Anne Boleyn, and he having a reputation for being a libertine (who lived in a "bestial" fashion). And then there's the matter of his wife, Jane Parker, Lady Rochford. Misunderstood wife or cold-blooded bitch? I incline towards the latter view of her, but she was probably quite interesting and complex (most novels portray her as a cartoonish schemer/nagging wife).

I'm going to scrap this soon, but I was wondering if any of you all had any ideas for a composition depicting these two. I was trying to sketch out some ideas, but I think I'm having a bit of artists' block... any ideas, anyone?
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savivi Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
George, George, George. Jane, Jane, Jane.

I like to think of all the coutiers as conniving, back stabbing, and scared out of their minds. If love is involved with marriage, I can't see it surviving such a tense atmosphere, and an age of arranged marriages and necessary permission of the king, as well as philandering.

I can't really think of Anne as a complete innocent, or pawn. I mean, she knew what she was doing if she could last years with Henry before finally marrying him. And come now, if you uproot another man's wife, you can't be a simpering little miss. Plus, your sister has been the mistress of the king of France as well as England. Not that your post has anything to do with her.

I don't know, I always liked the idea of intertwining arms, you know when you sip the cup of the other person, but neither quite sure if the wine is poisoned....... that must be in a movie somewhere.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
That is very well written and thoughtful. I actually wrote this long thing about my theories about George and Jane Boleyn, and why they acted the way they did. After I finished it, I just felt so sad for both of them. I don't think I could ever turn it into a story, because it's the most unbelievably depressing thing ever.

Intertwining arms... could you possibly do that picture yourself? It would be so beautiful!
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savivi Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
LOL, I'll put it on my list!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the gift art I owe you! Everything's been Georgian for me lately, and I needed to take a break from it. :)

I was actually hoping you'd ask me what horribly depressing story I'd thought up for G. and J... :D
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savivi Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I was curious! LOL but I also know that there are some things you keep hush hush.

So, pray tell, if you wish!

Horribly depressing I have to take in small doses, otherwise I'm devastated for days, depending on the amount of time I spent reading.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I just sent you a note. It's just an idea... I doubt it will ever be turned into an actual story because it's so damn depressing. But it'll help inform this painting I'm working on, at least. :P
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Jacobea Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I think Jane's problem was a mixture of jealousy towards Anne (who i've viewed as completely innocent, although maybe a little flirtatious) and neglect on George's part ( i don't doubt that he was off gallivanting with other women (at least :lol:)-what nobleman didn't, at least secretly?). There is a book on Jane ("Julia Fox's "Jane Boleyn: The Infamous Lady Rochford").
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I haven't read the Julia Fox book yet, but I read a very interesting review of it by one of my favorite authors, Hilary Mantel. [link]

I don't really think of Anne as being particularly innocent. She was an ambitious woman who got in over her head... and then lost it... bringing down a bunch of people with her. It was a tough era, unfortunately.
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Jacobea Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
Weir and Fraser do some of the best historical books, but neither seems to have written more than snippets on Jane Boleyn. Mantel's does sound good though :nod: Will have to see if my library bothers to buy it when they re-open.

Well, at least Anne didn't seem to whore herself out like her sister :lol: Talk about hypocritical Henry.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Mantel didn't write a book about Jane Boleyn- she just reviewed Julia Fox's book. I love Mantel's reviews though. Sometimes they're better written than the book she's reviewing...
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LieutenantDeath Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I love George Boleyn and even if he wife was a little witch, I love the story behind them. (I actually just did a portrait of George and will probably do one of Jane in the future.

Great sketch, you should definitely continue with this. =)
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you! He is certainly a very intriguing guy. I look forward to your picture of Jane!

Speaking of which, what do you think of Julia Fox's biography? I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I would love to, the next time I have the chance.
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LieutenantDeath Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
I haven't read it yet but it's on my list to read.
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rockpunk92 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009
ooo maybe something with him and Anne looking...schemish. lol my mom was talking about them the other day because she saw The Other Boleyn Girl the other day.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks for the suggestion! I so love the costumes in TOBG- the men's clothes were especially nice. I loved all those fur trimmed coats and square-necked doublets. It totally pwned the costumes in "The Tudors." :XD:
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rockpunk92 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2009
really?! GUHH! I still have yet to see it! Apparently they've been giving it on TV already but I either find out when its over, ending, or already in the middle! I'll keep a lookout on the costumes when I watch it now!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
You can see plenty of pics here: [link]

A lot of the fabrics and patters were simplified and modernized, but I was particularly impressed with the various hats/hoods, and also in how they resisted the call of plunging necklines (unlike other shows like "The Tudors").
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rockpunk92 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2009
wow, you really know your stuff! hmm I was thinking about studying up on this type of history when I get to college and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one it interests!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, I know my stuff a little... I still have a pile of stuff to read!

Tudor history interests a lot of people these days, or so I'm told. :)
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rockpunk92 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2009
lol i wish you luck then! I suppose its because people make it so trashy it's like...must...look....drools... lol.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
LOL, that's a great way of describing it! I've been watching "The Tudors," and that pretty much sums up the show's appeal. XD
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goonmann-85 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009
I think you should draw something with a bit of sexuality. Like Jane getting kinda slutty on George, but George just looks really serious. Something dark and intense but kinda pokes fun at Jane a little bit.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks for the suggestion! You know, I think you should do something playful with these two- I'm pretty sure I'm going to do something which is not so dissimilar in mood to my "Mary, Bloody Mary" piece. :)
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goonmann-85 Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009
Yeah, I think I might do something cartoony.
I love your Bloody Mary drawing, the dress is gorgeously done. Can't wait to see the finished result!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you! :hug:
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I find him very intriguing too. Literary treatment tends to depict him as rather dashing - given his reputed libertine ways, do we suppose there is much weight in this? :D

Very lovely sketch. Perhaps a simple composition but with ripe atmospheric tension is not too bad an idea?
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Dashing- that's perfect! I like to think of him as very dashing. I always have a soft spot for doomed pretty boys. I like both him and Anthony Woodville (Queen Elizabeth Woodville's brother) since they're in the same category- the doomed hot playboy brothers of annoyingly ambitious and unlucky queens. Wow, I think that's going to be a comparative biography in Flora Fraser's future!

Simple, but atmospheric... Now you've got me thinking... ;P

Hey, what books have you read that has George as a character?
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Actually, come to think of it, I think I only read one in which he features at any great length: The Other Boleyn Girl (looong before the film, which I still haven't seen).
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Ah yes, good old TOBG. :P

Hey, did you see my latest George/Jane sketches yet?
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Himmapaan Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm on my way!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
:D
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Caliypsoe Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009  Professional Artisan Crafter
He's such a fascinating person. :D Great sketch!
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Thank you!
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jiggly Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2009
I'm not really familiar with those two, so I'm probably not going to be that big of a help with an idea. However, I'll die trying.

If his wife was such a bitch, why not draw her being a big bitch? She could be throwing food at something at him as if they had a fight? I don't know. I should revisit this comment when I wake up more... and I'm not at work. LOL. XD
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Well, I think I want to stay away from anything overly comic... I want to go with something dark and serious, I think... but thanks for the suggestion anyway! :D
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jiggly Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009
Haha, ok. Dark and serious isn't my thing lately. I would give you a goofy suggestion.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
I know, I could add keytars! :XD:
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jiggly Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009
T.T; Keytars are serious business.

LOL.
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suburbanbeatnik Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
Now I'm picturing the Boleyns in a band. Like Kidd Video!

"Hey, we're cartoons!"
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jiggly Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2009
Now you're talking! n.n;
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