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For those who are upset about CORE, you're right. We should have made a more formal announcement when we released to express the new CORE brand and what it means to us and you, and if nothing else in the interest of transparency. More information about CORE to follow this week. But even more importantly, you will see the release of many new Timeline elements that will give you much greater transparency into DeviantArt's direction as a whole. 

Let's talk about coffee for a minute. Cuz it's Saturday, and I woke up and thought about coffee a lot this morning.

I bought a Nespresso machine a few months back. Boy do I like it. I also like my french press. The thing is, Nespresso capsules cost $1.10 and make 1 cup, and I tend to drink two cups in the morning. When I wake up, and on the drive to DA HQ. I've had this theory that I should drink Nespresso on mornings that I work, and I should use the french press in the evenings and on weekends when I have more time. Because the nespresso saves me time during the week since it only takes 1 minute to make 1 cup. The french press takes 10 minutes to boil water/wait 4 minutes to brew, and all this. But each cup costs $0.28. Uhh, except you never make 1 cup with a french press, you tend to make 3 at a time or $0.84. Which is great! Because otherwise you'd spend $2.20 a morning with the nespresso!

Clearly you should use a french press. But wait a minute, what about time?

If you make $25 an hour at work, Nespresso costs you $8.34 a month of your time (1 minute, times 5 days, times 4.3 weeks in a month). If you use a french press you'll spend 215 minutes of your month making it, and it'll cost you $89.58 of your time. But that's not entirely fair because you can do other things during that 10 minutes, like brush your hair or teeth. So let's bring that down to half price, or $44.79 in cost for your time. Which is a kind gesture towards french press coffee I'll tell ya, since I hate brushing my teeth before drinking coffee cuz it makes the coffee taste like crap. I save that crappy flavor for the drive. LOL and.... yuck. Err, anyway! 

All together now!

Nespresso costs you $47.30 a month in workday coffee, and $8.34 in time. $55.64
French press costs you $44.70 a month in time, and $18.06 in coffee. $62.76

If you make $12.50 an hour at work, there's no way you should drink Nespresso. But if you make $25 an hour or above, it's probably not a bad determination to drink Nespresso. Either way you're spending $2.70+ a day on coffee if you value your time.

The most important thing you can do is not think about drip coffee, since you can set a timer on the machine and have it make you coffee every day at 7am for the price of french press but the convenience of Nespresso. Because, that would be too smart, and we want to be snobby and pretend that drip coffee doesn't taste just as good. 

Enjoy your Saturday! Drink some coffee and make some art! 

-- A


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axris Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2017  Student General Artist
"Okay, I know you're all upset about the informal price hike for almost absolutely no reason, but have you considered that I drink loads of expensive coffee that I could easily replace with store brand???????? nobody ever considers the poor dA staff with a stable income and an entire website of idiots to run loose in and reports of literal paedophiles and nazis to ignore :("

Bitch I can make a more formal announcement for me taking a shit than you did with your CORE, and this isn't a way to respond to criticism.
CoyoteKapote96 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2016  Student Digital Artist
what the fuck
shadjarab Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
                                          what even..............
SweetlyCanada Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2016  Student General Artist
Seriously, over fucking coffee?

Maybe you should have thought of your personal expenses before buying your fancy Nespresso coffee machine -_-' It's fucking common sense.
Kreoko Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
My answer to all this? Stop drinking posh coffee.
Problem solved.
ShelandryStudio Featured By Owner Edited Mar 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
i had just found out about the price hike yesterday when I went to renew my SUB and now I will not be renewing it. 
I don't use anything but a little profile customizing and journal skins on my DA so the HUGE price hike to me isn't worth it at all. I only ever bought the year sub as I did it once a year and not worried about it.
So it looks like I am going to be going back to how it was when i first started many years ago a plain boring profile for free as I cannot afford this huge difference in price for a bunch of bells and whistles that I dont and wont use.
it would have made more since to have tiers to choose from and the higher the price you wanted to pay the more stuff you got to use, but for the little bit I did use paying for all the stuff I dont use is so not worth it at all

So I will be drinking tea from now on as DA coffee has now leaves a bitter taste in my mouth since is changed to a nasty tasting expensive brand without any choices on what kind of coffee that I wanted to drink.
Trashy-McTrashcan Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2016
okay but you didn't need to raise the price just to buy yourself some fucking coffee
$63.75 for a year? whatever happened to $40 smh
jesta7 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why did he start rambling about coffee?
axris Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2017  Student General Artist
// i know this is 2 years late but eh//

it was to show that the dA staff need to be paid too, but it backfired tremendously. the dA staff obviously live comfortable lives if they're drinking fucking Nespresso and french press daily, more than once

Especially since dA is a website for artists, and artists have the reputation for being severely underpaid.
It's all a giant cockslap on the jaw and spyed going "I have a stable income and live comfortably enough to afford expensive coffee  BUT I WANNA KEEP DRINKIN MAH EXPENSIVE COFFEE BAWWW HOW DARE YOU GET ANGRY ABOUT PRICE HIKES AND INFORMAL ANNOUNCEMENTS"
MoopieNoot Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I stopped when he started talking about coffee - which had no relations to the actual problem. I'm not a productive member of Deviantart. I'm just here to hang out and watch other artists, I have a tumblr which I reblog and noticed that more people have been angry with DeviantART and have migrated to places like well, Tumblr and wherever else they find better. Just sayin, patronizing and being a cheeky son of a bitch isnt really going to be helpful here. It's just going to piss people off more. Kids arent going to be able to pay for 'Core' or whatever you call it now. I find DeviantART becoming increasingly annoying as I use it, not as much as YouTube but I think they're heading in that direction/jumping on the bandwagon and if that's the case, I just will stop using this site all together and use Tumblr. I dont care how many people I watch here are on this site, I'm just going to quit using it. Sorry. Its not worth getting my blood all riled up. 

I'd rather be happy than all pissed off, cause when I get angry - i get really angry. And I'd rather not deal with that. So, that's my stance on that. 

Also - one more note... Just a final, little word of advice...

Dont underestimate your loyal, paying customers. You've probably seen the movies, TV Shows, etc. Dont do that. Really, dont. Your going to fail. Your going to fall flat on your ass and we'll all (or at least some of us smart ones, I know I will) will shrug it off when you ask us to come crawling back. So really, either get your act together now champ - because its not working. Some of us are hoarding to other sites in numbers. Watch out for us, kiddo. 
IIWonderWomanII Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2015  Student Digital Artist
ryano292 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2015  Professional Interface Designer
I just hope you have a barista coffee machine for your dA staff :)
BFG-9KRC Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2015  Student General Artist
Just butting into the general commotion by randomly saying something about the Coffee part...Or more precisely, Peugeot's inspiring take on coffe grinder design…

So yeah Nod 
gafAntonina Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2015
Okay, so you tell you should have made an official announcement about Core, but there's even still nothing about it on the dA timeline. Hell yeah, certainly a change not worth to be mentioned there. So why are you still hiding it from us :hmm:?
FerretJAcK Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Professional General Artist
So basicly saying screw you to the members who don't make $25 or more. I don't care about your stupid coffee. If you can afford those machines you are making more than most of the US. I think it is total BS about Core. Basically it is a change so you and deviantART can increase income. Because we all know deviantART is a business not really here for the artist anymore. We all know that deep down. If you want to keep feeding the beast which is a BUSINESS then by god do so. I won't say I won't get an new Core membership. I am thinking about it. But then again I am wondering how I would do just getting my own website for my art instead or using a different site. Or even both. We have many options out there. I think people forget about that. Anyways... Coffee does not pertain to Core here. What pertains to Core is that is a way for deviantART to make extra money from those members who do get commissions from others here or featured. It's not for the budding artists or the underlings anymore. I have only even won one contest on here. And not even an official DA contest. I have entered many. But there are too many that are way better then I. So we will see where it goes from here. I doubt people are going to not buy a Core Membership for the year. You should have seen it coming.
So you bought a Nespresso machine a few months back; does that mean we can infer you make $25 an hour then? Since, you know, you basically said if you make under $25 you shouldn't get one. And definitely not get one if you make $12.50 an hour.

Funny how a large percentage of dA users either: a) are under the age legal to work, b) simply cant find work due to the unemployment rate, c) rely on the money the get for their art(ever heard of starving artist?) and d) simply make minimum wage.

I cant speak for other countries, but lets talk about the minimum wages in America.
Each state usually varies. But, the federal min. wage is $7.25 an hour.

There are 19 states that minimum wage is set at or below $7.25. 

In Georgia, those not covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act get paid $5.15 an hour.
Wyoming is also $5.15 an hour.
In Montana, if a business doesn't make a gross income more than $110,000, minimum wage is set at $4.00 an hour.
In Oklahoma, if a business doesn't make a gross income more than $100,000, minimum wage is set at $2.00 an hour.

Two. Dollars. 200 pennies. 

Granted, I realize the percentage of people who make this amount is low. 

It doesn't change the fact that the highest minimum wage in the US is $10.50 in Washington DC.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to make $12.50 an hour. Very few are fortunate enough to make $25. Not everyone is fortunate enough to make minimum wage. Not everyone is fortunate enough to make enough to even live.

Yes, I understand the coffee and prices are figurative. A metaphor. But it doesn't change the implications.

Not everyone is able to even afford a french press or a coffee drip, much less a nespresso.

So why would they spend money on a site where the CEO implies he makes $25 dollars an hour; in which he would make the same amount in a week than some people make in a month. A site in which apparently needs more money.

Let's all slow clap for spyed everyone.
KrisCynical Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Similar to my thoughts. How freaking patronizing can he be to us? I don't give a rat's ass about his damn coffee! I have been a paid member of this site for over a decade and in one week I'm going to do something I have never done in all these years:

I am going to let my subscription expire.

I refuse to pay the likes of him fifty bucks a year to have my intelligence insulted and my work disrespected like this, and I'm sure thousands of other soon-to-be ex-subscribers are going to do the same over the next year or so. DeviantART can take its shiny new "CORE" horse manure and shove it in their damn coffee maker.
EvilVampireDucky Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2015
Right?? I have no intentions to continue my subscription, but according to one guy in the posts, Spyed said memberships are still the same(because spyed is god apparently), but then I'm wondering (not only where the proof is) it hasn't been given enough time for statistics to change if they're going to change? It's hasn't been much more than a month. Is that really enough time to determine how premium membership sales have or have not changed? (I have been told it's near about the same; near about implies it could be lower than average though). Also like how dead accounts, plz accounts, and secondary accounts are counted in their "15000 MEMBERS!!1!!11!1" but that's a personal annoyance

And that's really unfortunate; because you're one of those members that's grown with dA and watched it's ups and downs. And now you're just sort of stuck watching it go further down. I think that's the worst bit; there are so many members that are going to leave, both because of the price and because of it's current copyright policy(which may be changing "visual art registry" only for core members, or so it's implied; not for, you know, all artists that deserve it).

It feels sort of like watching a train wreck.
KrisCynical Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Reduced text size ahead for rant mode... if you don't want to read my rambling, that's perfectly fine! I'm stupidly verbose when it comes to this kind of stuff no matter how hard I try to curtail it. ^^;

"'re one of those members that's grown with dA and watched it's ups and downs. And now you're just sort of stuck watching it go further down."

The "downs" have by far outweighed and overshadowed the "ups", believe me. Rather than actually LISTENING to what the so-called "community" they claim to care about so much has said over the years, all they've done is add more and more useless crap to the site that does nothing but hinder it and harm the youngest artists here, and created asinine policy after asinine policy.

The "request critique" function, for example, is absolutely ridiculous and has done nothing but make the teenagers on this site think that because there's an option to specifically ASK for crit, the assumed default for everything otherwise is basically "asspats only" so it's "RUDE" to give constructive feedback if it's not specifically asked for! I mean, come on, are you fucking KIDDING me? It's an art site! If there's a comment function present, you're going to get concrit sometimes. It's how we learn as artists: having our work critiqued by more skilled/experienced artists to know what can be improved on and how to do so. I thoroughly enjoy teaching younger artists if they WANT to learn so I'll be damned if I'm going to let the special spun glass snowflakes deprive other kids of learning. Literally 90-95% of the kids I've critiqued THANKED ME profusely for doing so because nobody does anymore! :x

"Spyed said memberships are still the same(because spyed is god apparently)..."

I'd like to hope they revert back to the old Premium Members option for ~$35/yr. like it's always been. If they did, I'd renew my subscription. Reverting would be sensible, though, so it's unfortunately unlikely. :no:

"...there are so many members that are going to leave... because of it's current copyright policy(which may be changing "visual art registry" only for core members, or so it's implied; not for, you know, all artists that deserve it)."

What the...? I don't know what dA thinks, but every piece every artist produces is protected by copyright automatically even if it's a piece of fanart. If it's an entirely new image (as opposed to redraws and tracing) then THAT SPECIFIC IMAGE is protected as your own. I swear dA's staff just makes up shit right and left to skirt around actually having to do their JOBS.

I was away from dA for like five to six weeks, too, so when I popped back over here to catch up on stuff not only was I slapped with this CORE bullshit but fucked sideways by their nonsense "this is how copyright works because we said so, and because of that we now don't have to do jack shit about stolen fanart" new rules. Fanart is my main thing here and it always has been!

All through art school I used fanart as a way to practice what I'd been learning as well as experimentation, and now that I'm an actual illustrator for a living I STILL do fanart for enjoyment between paid work! My dA gallery is my fanart repository to keep it off of my professional site, and fanart has been a favorite target of dA's numerous increasingly stupid new policies. It's what keeps the site afloat, but I swear dA hates it!

I mean, how stupid can they be to say fanart can't be reported because you don't own the rights to the source material?! So if any of my Inuyasha stuff gets jacked now, they think the only entities that can report it are VIZ and Rumiko Takahashi!

And then the asinine "there's no such thing as art theft because a physical object isn't being taken". Just... really?! Besides the fact that dA was perfectly okay with calling it "art theft" for the previous 11 years I've been here, it's still someone reposting something that doesn't belong to them, so that's called "theft", guys. If they want to get so ridiculously bogged down in semantics, a JPEG file is an object. If somebody saves the JPEG of your work and uploads it elsewhere, they've taken the damn JPEG file. The original artist's usage rights are being taken, too, but we all know what staff thinks about THOSE silly little things.

It makes me want to headdesk repeatedly while cursing a blue streak out of abject frustration.

"It feels sort of like watching a train wreck."

A slow speed train wreck spanning over a decade, yes. And the staff seems to be content to sit back with popcorn and watch it burn. :stare:
AlyOh Featured By Owner Edited Sep 2, 2015   Digital Artist
Well said. :clap:
DuchesseOfDusk Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Would it help, if some of us members donated you one or two packages of coffee? :confused: Just asking because you seem really concerned about your coffee here :shrug:
HaruShadows Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2015   Digital Artist
DuchesseOfDusk Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanx ;)
Yeah, I felt I wanted to say something to all of :iconspyed:s coffee-talk here ;)
hunbun8DD Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
Jesus, what is happening to Deviantart? You guys are soon going to realize how bad the situation is when people stop buying membership, and we won't stop fighting until we get the actual Deviantart back. The art site that wasn't full of Art Thieves and Pedophiles. It's like you WANT that to happen. But the community says otherwise. We will fight back until it is normal again.
ianolivia Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
This fits more than it ever did:…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
Afteel-Nifty Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Professional
They banned this member after posting that right? 
ianolivia Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, they probably banned her because she was going up against them. I spammed them more than she did and my account is fine. 
TheGuywhoLikesSonic Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015  Student Photographer
We want a better response. If dA could listen to our problems instead of ignoring them,that be great.
CYBERPUNK-FOX Featured By Owner Edited Aug 29, 2015  Student Digital Artist
This is literally a terrible response.

We want a better explanation, and it can't deal with Coffee. Not trying to be mean here.
SkyFire33 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Student General Artist
Don't care about your coffee. I just want an explanation about core. Better come out soon. At least you're planning to tell us something.
LavaLizard Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I make $7.65 an hour because America sucks. I don't drink coffee because it tastes nasty and I don't want to be dependent on caffeine for energy. I keep my living costs at the bare minimum because I'm poor. Spending $50 a year on ONE WEBSITE... not all the websites on the net, just one, is crazy. Especially when you consider that, eventually, every website will cost you $50 a year. If there's 12 sites you like, that's $50 a month *on top* of your internet service bill... Fuck that shit.

You DA people are pushing the internet towards a whole new level of corporate bullshit that the world doesn't need. Sucking money out of people in every way you can find, just like every other giant company that everyone hates. If the whole internet followed DA's model, then only the top 1% could afford to be a part of it.

But, it's not all the bad yet since DA still works if you don't pay. It's just that this is the first step towards making it a pay-to-play system like most video games are now. 
MK-Fighter Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Top 1%?
Less than 1% owns over 50% of all money.

*shrugz* Fair deal.
Miku-Chan-Vocaloid01 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist still haven't explained what exactly your trying to achieve out of this, you do realise no-one will buy this, right?
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Sales haven't actually changed all that much, you realise. 
4pplemoon Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015
How do you know? Do you have stats to back up that statement.

A lot of core members are members with existing membership, you know.
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
I know because I live with a staff member.
4pplemoon Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015
Not proof.
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Well, suit yourself kid. But tell me this; where's your evidence that sales are dying? Answer me that.
4pplemoon Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015
Common sense of business? dA always struggled with getting people to buy PM when they were 30 bucks. Think that same amount of people will buy it at 50?
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
Common sense isn't proof. Yes, the annual cost of membership has gone up $20. But surely you, as a deviant with an eleven year tenure, could understand that a website as large as deviantART can't operate cheaply forever, right? You understand that this is the first time prices have been raised in twelve years. A website isn't a cheap thing to run, especially when you have the amount of media that deviantART has.

That aside, $50 a year. Do you pay for Netflix, or Spotify? Perhaps you're a gamer and pay for Xbox Live or PlayStation Plus? You're paying more for those services than you're paying for deviantART. Set aside $10 a week for five weeks. Amazing, you've just paid for your annual Core subscription. Alternatively, don't buy Core. deviantART is still free.
If you've paid any attention to the community in your time here, you'd actually know that people loved their Premium memberships. Now, do I really think that the same amount of people will pay $50 for Core? Yes, I do. Why? Because they love and support this website. Because Core is identical to Premium - it's just a new name. Because they get out of the community and the website what they put into it.

Don't like it? Then nothing I say will ever reach your ears.
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Walking-Maelstrom Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist Writer

"If you make $12.50 an hour at work, there's no way you should drink Nespresso. But if you make $25 an hour or above, it's probably not a bad determination to drink Nespresso. Either way you're spending $2.70+ a day on coffee if you value your time."

This is such paltry bullshit and you know it.

First off, Nespresso is shit.  You're better off with damn Dunkin' Donuts than an overpriced Kuerig.  Also, you clearly are one of those folks too good for drip like we peons seem to work with day in and day out.

At least coffee PROVIDES something beneficial to a work day.  It's called caffeine.  Does Core membership do this?  Does it allow greater protection against art theft?  Does it motivate the workers at dA to actually oblige with gusto to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act?  Does it actually get you silly kids to read fucking 17 USC Sections 101-108? 

I know coffee doesn't increase your knowledge of litigation but if we're a bunch of bitches to steal on giving you money for paltry gestures, the least you could do is give something right back.  Coffee does this without garbage metaphors or similies.  Why don't you?
Number-Seventeen Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Could you please redirect me to the petition to throw you off a cliff? I want to be part of the solution.

This is the last nail in the coffin for me.
Lunyck Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
tell me when you find one.
i wanna throw a man off a cliff too
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
You two are messed up. :no:
NayuSiminova Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm on their side, if that makes us messed up for knowing that its ridiculous to pay high prices then I don't want to be sane.

Never was for it anyhow as sanity is believing in a lie anyways.
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
High prices? You realise you're complaining about something that costs you five dollars a month, right? :lol:
NayuSiminova Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That if I paid monthly will still cost me 60 bucks a year. -_- Its still a lot a year.
and if I went by the 15 its still 60 bucks a year I'm not going there either its the old business trick, over time it does drain your bank.
Anfalas Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
I really don't understand the argument. Is it mainly the price you're unhappy with? If so, realise that it's barely $10 more per year than Premium was. Realise also that you're not only paying to help maintain the website that you're using, but you're helping to pay the people who do the maintenance. In return, you get all the cool features that Core (previously known as Premium) offers, including but not limited to all the nifty things that deviantART is rolling out in the very near future, if you've bothered to look at the upcoming features.

That aside, $60 a year is pocket change. Do you have Netflix, or an online gaming subscription, or Spotify or something similar? I guarantee you're already happily paying at least $60 a year for any of those services, so why complain solely about deviantART?
NayuSiminova Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Um, they didn't tell us before shifting and informed us 3 weeks later with a coffee joke to boot. Plus they just removed the ability to report users dude theres a lot more reason to the admins now really.


the argument is that they don't inform us of the changes happening when they happen, Core happened overnight, and we got no word about it I woke up literally freaking out wondering if my account got hacked or was in trouble but nope and they were three weeks late, also the admins aren't breathing a word now about how they just made it ten times harder to report anyone.
They aren't breathing a word about how their going to actually change the skin except in comments not in formal announcements
See what I mean they don't communicate nor tell us what is about to happen, they changed rules even more without even telling people.

Not only that fail to help us with the many complaints we already have with the site, like the bugs, the glitches, they fail to even listen to the beta testers and more.

So this is why I'm on the side of those people, they have every right to be mad its not just the prices.
And gaming, at least with a game you get a game, this has a lie put right in it.
First of all what do you get with core? a lot less features than with Premium already been proven also your up for beta testing sometimes whether you want it or not.
So whether you choose to or not you are forced to be a beta tester for some new features kinda a crummy feature really because we'd like to do that willingly.
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DameTenebra Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2015  Professional Photographer
not sure this is really the right way to explain. not so diplomat in fact ...
For the moment, the anouncements that have been made especially the "support" are not really convincing and I think don't really explain the increase in the price.
In fact you are not sepaking about making art, just how you can make money.
Art is not money and it takes time.
I don't understand why DA is so arrogant those last days with members ... We were happy to celebrate the 15th birthday.
There are many changes to make in DA, and you are looking for really complicated things whereas there are still some simple things to make. Don't let DA moving into a place where people exchange porn and fetish photos, bad creations without art ... Support the artists, help them; This is how DA should move into.
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