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Let's talk about coffee for a minute. Cuz it's Saturday, and I woke up and thought about coffee a lot this morning.

I bought a Nespresso machine a few months back. Boy do I like it. I also like my french press. The thing is, Nespresso capsules cost $1.10 and make 1 cup, and I tend to drink two cups in the morning. When I wake up, and on the drive to DA HQ. I've had this theory that I should drink Nespresso on mornings that I work, and I should use the french press in the evenings and on weekends when I have more time. Because the nespresso saves me time during the week since it only takes 1 minute to make 1 cup. The french press takes 10 minutes to boil water/wait 4 minutes to brew, and all this. But each cup costs $0.28. Uhh, except you never make 1 cup with a french press, you tend to make 3 at a time or $0.84. Which is great! Because otherwise you'd spend $2.20 a morning with the nespresso!

Clearly you should use a french press. But wait a minute, what about time?

If you make $25 an hour at work, Nespresso costs you $8.34 a month of your time (1 minute, times 5 days, times 4.3 weeks in a month). If you use a french press you'll spend 215 minutes of your month making it, and it'll cost you $89.58 of your time. But that's not entirely fair because you can do other things during that 10 minutes, like brush your hair or teeth. So let's bring that down to half price, or $44.79 in cost for your time. Which is a kind gesture towards french press coffee I'll tell ya, since I hate brushing my teeth before drinking coffee cuz it makes the coffee taste like crap. I save that crappy flavor for the drive. LOL and.... yuck. Err, anyway! 

All together now!

Nespresso costs you $47.30 a month in workday coffee, and $8.34 in time. $55.64
French press costs you $44.70 a month in time, and $18.06 in coffee. $62.76

If you make $12.50 an hour at work, there's no way you should drink Nespresso. But if you make $25 an hour or above, it's probably not a bad determination to drink Nespresso. Either way you're spending $2.70+ a day on coffee if you value your time.

The most important thing you can do is not think about drip coffee, since you can set a timer on the machine and have it make you coffee every day at 7am for the price of french press but the convenience of Nespresso. Because, that would be too smart, and we want to be snobby and pretend that drip coffee doesn't taste just as good. 

Enjoy your Saturday! Drink some coffee and make some art! 

-- A








 
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axris's avatar
axris|Student General Artist
"Okay, I know you're all upset about the informal price hike for almost absolutely no reason, but have you considered that I drink loads of expensive coffee that I could easily replace with store brand???????? nobody ever considers the poor dA staff with a stable income and an entire website of idiots to run loose in and reports of literal paedophiles and nazis to ignore :("

Bitch I can make a more formal announcement for me taking a shit than you did with your CORE, and this isn't a way to respond to criticism.
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CoyoteKapote96's avatar
CoyoteKapote96|Student Digital Artist
what the fuck
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shadjarab's avatar
shadjarab|Hobbyist General Artist
                                          what even..............
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SweetlyCanada's avatar
SweetlyCanada|Student General Artist
Seriously, over fucking coffee?

Maybe you should have thought of your personal expenses before buying your fancy Nespresso coffee machine -_-' It's fucking common sense.
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Kreoko's avatar
Kreoko|Hobbyist General Artist
My answer to all this? Stop drinking posh coffee.
Problem solved.
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ShelandryStudio's avatar
ShelandryStudioEdited |Hobbyist General Artist
i had just found out about the price hike yesterday when I went to renew my SUB and now I will not be renewing it. 
I don't use anything but a little profile customizing and journal skins on my DA so the HUGE price hike to me isn't worth it at all. I only ever bought the year sub as I did it once a year and not worried about it.
So it looks like I am going to be going back to how it was when i first started many years ago a plain boring profile for free as I cannot afford this huge difference in price for a bunch of bells and whistles that I dont and wont use.
it would have made more since to have tiers to choose from and the higher the price you wanted to pay the more stuff you got to use, but for the little bit I did use paying for all the stuff I dont use is so not worth it at all

So I will be drinking tea from now on as DA coffee has now leaves a bitter taste in my mouth since is changed to a nasty tasting expensive brand without any choices on what kind of coffee that I wanted to drink.
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apathetichell's avatar
okay but you didn't need to raise the price just to buy yourself some fucking coffee
$63.75 for a year? whatever happened to $40 smh
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jesta7|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why did he start rambling about coffee?
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axris's avatar
axris|Student General Artist
// i know this is 2 years late but eh//

it was to show that the dA staff need to be paid too, but it backfired tremendously. the dA staff obviously live comfortable lives if they're drinking fucking Nespresso and french press daily, more than once

Especially since dA is a website for artists, and artists have the reputation for being severely underpaid.
It's all a giant cockslap on the jaw and spyed going "I have a stable income and live comfortably enough to afford expensive coffee  BUT I WANNA KEEP DRINKIN MAH EXPENSIVE COFFEE BAWWW HOW DARE YOU GET ANGRY ABOUT PRICE HIKES AND INFORMAL ANNOUNCEMENTS"
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MoopieNoot|Hobbyist Writer
I stopped when he started talking about coffee - which had no relations to the actual problem. I'm not a productive member of Deviantart. I'm just here to hang out and watch other artists, I have a tumblr which I reblog and noticed that more people have been angry with DeviantART and have migrated to places like well, Tumblr and wherever else they find better. Just sayin, patronizing and being a cheeky son of a bitch isnt really going to be helpful here. It's just going to piss people off more. Kids arent going to be able to pay for 'Core' or whatever you call it now. I find DeviantART becoming increasingly annoying as I use it, not as much as YouTube but I think they're heading in that direction/jumping on the bandwagon and if that's the case, I just will stop using this site all together and use Tumblr. I dont care how many people I watch here are on this site, I'm just going to quit using it. Sorry. Its not worth getting my blood all riled up. 

I'd rather be happy than all pissed off, cause when I get angry - i get really angry. And I'd rather not deal with that. So, that's my stance on that. 

Also - one more note... Just a final, little word of advice...

Dont underestimate your loyal, paying customers. You've probably seen the movies, TV Shows, etc. Dont do that. Really, dont. Your going to fail. Your going to fall flat on your ass and we'll all (or at least some of us smart ones, I know I will) will shrug it off when you ask us to come crawling back. So really, either get your act together now champ - because its not working. Some of us are hoarding to other sites in numbers. Watch out for us, kiddo. 
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ryano292's avatar
ryano292|Professional Interface Designer
I just hope you have a barista coffee machine for your dA staff :)
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BFG-9KRC|Student General Artist
Just butting into the general commotion by randomly saying something about the Coffee part...Or more precisely, Peugeot's inspiring take on coffe grinder design

conceptcus.files.wordpress.com…

So yeah Nod 
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Okay, so you tell you should have made an official announcement about Core, but there's even still nothing about it on the dA timeline. Hell yeah, certainly a change not worth to be mentioned there. So why are you still hiding it from us :hmm:?
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FerretJAcK|Professional General Artist
So basicly saying screw you to the members who don't make $25 or more. I don't care about your stupid coffee. If you can afford those machines you are making more than most of the US. I think it is total BS about Core. Basically it is a change so you and deviantART can increase income. Because we all know deviantART is a business not really here for the artist anymore. We all know that deep down. If you want to keep feeding the beast which is a BUSINESS then by god do so. I won't say I won't get an new Core membership. I am thinking about it. But then again I am wondering how I would do just getting my own website for my art instead or using a different site. Or even both. We have many options out there. I think people forget about that. Anyways... Coffee does not pertain to Core here. What pertains to Core is that is a way for deviantART to make extra money from those members who do get commissions from others here or featured. It's not for the budding artists or the underlings anymore. I have only even won one contest on here. And not even an official DA contest. I have entered many. But there are too many that are way better then I. So we will see where it goes from here. I doubt people are going to not buy a Core Membership for the year. You should have seen it coming.
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EvilVampireDucky's avatar
So you bought a Nespresso machine a few months back; does that mean we can infer you make $25 an hour then? Since, you know, you basically said if you make under $25 you shouldn't get one. And definitely not get one if you make $12.50 an hour.

Funny how a large percentage of dA users either: a) are under the age legal to work, b) simply cant find work due to the unemployment rate, c) rely on the money the get for their art(ever heard of starving artist?) and d) simply make minimum wage.

I cant speak for other countries, but lets talk about the minimum wages in America.
Each state usually varies. But, the federal min. wage is $7.25 an hour.

There are 19 states that minimum wage is set at or below $7.25. 

In Georgia, those not covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act get paid $5.15 an hour.
Wyoming is also $5.15 an hour.
In Montana, if a business doesn't make a gross income more than $110,000, minimum wage is set at $4.00 an hour.
In Oklahoma, if a business doesn't make a gross income more than $100,000, minimum wage is set at $2.00 an hour.

Two. Dollars. 200 pennies. 

Granted, I realize the percentage of people who make this amount is low. 

It doesn't change the fact that the highest minimum wage in the US is $10.50 in Washington DC.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to make $12.50 an hour. Very few are fortunate enough to make $25. Not everyone is fortunate enough to make minimum wage. Not everyone is fortunate enough to make enough to even live.

Yes, I understand the coffee and prices are figurative. A metaphor. But it doesn't change the implications.

Not everyone is able to even afford a french press or a coffee drip, much less a nespresso.

So why would they spend money on a site where the CEO implies he makes $25 dollars an hour; in which he would make the same amount in a week than some people make in a month. A site in which apparently needs more money.

Let's all slow clap for spyed everyone.
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KrisCynical|Professional Digital Artist
Similar to my thoughts. How freaking patronizing can he be to us? I don't give a rat's ass about his damn coffee! I have been a paid member of this site for over a decade and in one week I'm going to do something I have never done in all these years:

I am going to let my subscription expire.

I refuse to pay the likes of him fifty bucks a year to have my intelligence insulted and my work disrespected like this, and I'm sure thousands of other soon-to-be ex-subscribers are going to do the same over the next year or so. DeviantART can take its shiny new "CORE" horse manure and shove it in their damn coffee maker.
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EvilVampireDucky's avatar
Right?? I have no intentions to continue my subscription, but according to one guy in the posts, Spyed said memberships are still the same(because spyed is god apparently), but then I'm wondering (not only where the proof is) it hasn't been given enough time for statistics to change if they're going to change? It's hasn't been much more than a month. Is that really enough time to determine how premium membership sales have or have not changed? (I have been told it's near about the same; near about implies it could be lower than average though). Also like how dead accounts, plz accounts, and secondary accounts are counted in their "15000 MEMBERS!!1!!11!1" but that's a personal annoyance

And that's really unfortunate; because you're one of those members that's grown with dA and watched it's ups and downs. And now you're just sort of stuck watching it go further down. I think that's the worst bit; there are so many members that are going to leave, both because of the price and because of it's current copyright policy(which may be changing "visual art registry" only for core members, or so it's implied; not for, you know, all artists that deserve it).

It feels sort of like watching a train wreck.
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KrisCynical|Professional Digital Artist
Reduced text size ahead for rant mode... if you don't want to read my rambling, that's perfectly fine! I'm stupidly verbose when it comes to this kind of stuff no matter how hard I try to curtail it. ^^;

"...you're one of those members that's grown with dA and watched it's ups and downs. And now you're just sort of stuck watching it go further down."

The "downs" have by far outweighed and overshadowed the "ups", believe me. Rather than actually LISTENING to what the so-called "community" they claim to care about so much has said over the years, all they've done is add more and more useless crap to the site that does nothing but hinder it and harm the youngest artists here, and created asinine policy after asinine policy.

The "request critique" function, for example, is absolutely ridiculous and has done nothing but make the teenagers on this site think that because there's an option to specifically ASK for crit, the assumed default for everything otherwise is basically "asspats only" so it's "RUDE" to give constructive feedback if it's not specifically asked for! I mean, come on, are you fucking KIDDING me? It's an art site! If there's a comment function present, you're going to get concrit sometimes. It's how we learn as artists: having our work critiqued by more skilled/experienced artists to know what can be improved on and how to do so. I thoroughly enjoy teaching younger artists if they WANT to learn so I'll be damned if I'm going to let the special spun glass snowflakes deprive other kids of learning. Literally 90-95% of the kids I've critiqued THANKED ME profusely for doing so because nobody does anymore! :x


"Spyed said memberships are still the same(because spyed is god apparently)..."

I'd like to hope they revert back to the old Premium Members option for ~$35/yr. like it's always been. If they did, I'd renew my subscription. Reverting would be sensible, though, so it's unfortunately unlikely. :no:

"...there are so many members that are going to leave... because of it's current copyright policy(which may be changing "visual art registry" only for core members, or so it's implied; not for, you know, all artists that deserve it)."

What the...? I don't know what dA thinks, but every piece every artist produces is protected by copyright automatically even if it's a piece of fanart. If it's an entirely new image (as opposed to redraws and tracing) then THAT SPECIFIC IMAGE is protected as your own. I swear dA's staff just makes up shit right and left to skirt around actually having to do their JOBS.

I was away from dA for like five to six weeks, too, so when I popped back over here to catch up on stuff not only was I slapped with this CORE bullshit but fucked sideways by their nonsense "this is how copyright works because we said so, and because of that we now don't have to do jack shit about stolen fanart" new rules. Fanart is my main thing here and it always has been!

All through art school I used fanart as a way to practice what I'd been learning as well as experimentation, and now that I'm an actual illustrator for a living I STILL do fanart for enjoyment between paid work! My dA gallery is my fanart repository to keep it off of my professional site, and fanart has been a favorite target of dA's numerous increasingly stupid new policies. It's what keeps the site afloat, but I swear dA hates it!

I mean, how stupid can they be to say fanart can't be reported because you don't own the rights to the source material?! So if any of my Inuyasha stuff gets jacked now, they think the only entities that can report it are VIZ and Rumiko Takahashi!

And then the asinine "there's no such thing as art theft because a physical object isn't being taken". Just... really?! Besides the fact that dA was perfectly okay with calling it "art theft" for the previous 11 years I've been here, it's still someone reposting something that doesn't belong to them, so that's called "theft", guys. If they want to get so ridiculously bogged down in semantics, a JPEG file is an object. If somebody saves the JPEG of your work and uploads it elsewhere, they've taken the damn JPEG file. The original artist's usage rights are being taken, too, but we all know what staff thinks about THOSE silly little things.

It makes me want to headdesk repeatedly while cursing a blue streak out of abject frustration.


"It feels sort of like watching a train wreck."

A slow speed train wreck spanning over a decade, yes. And the staff seems to be content to sit back with popcorn and watch it burn. :stare:
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AlyOhEdited | Digital Artist
Well said. :clap:
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DuchesseOfDusk|Hobbyist General Artist
Would it help, if some of us members donated you one or two packages of coffee? :confused: Just asking because you seem really concerned about your coffee here :shrug:
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HaruShadows| Digital Artist
:lol:
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DuchesseOfDusk|Hobbyist General Artist
Thanx ;)
Yeah, I felt I wanted to say something to all of :iconspyed:s coffee-talk here ;)
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hunbun8DD|Hobbyist Filmographer
Jesus, what is happening to Deviantart? You guys are soon going to realize how bad the situation is when people stop buying membership, and we won't stop fighting until we get the actual Deviantart back. The art site that wasn't full of Art Thieves and Pedophiles. It's like you WANT that to happen. But the community says otherwise. We will fight back until it is normal again.
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