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Do you think it's a good thing that the punishment of criminals is executed by an independent system (court with judges, advocates etc. who decide on a punishment) or should the victim be able to punish them instead? 

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114 deviants said I think it's good that punishments for crimes are executed by an independent system.
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29 deviants said I think they should let the victim/the victim's family take care of the punishment of the criminal.

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SheepMaker Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think some people might take the punishment to the exstreme if given the chance. So i think it's better if an independent system does it instead 
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think so too!
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PRsOwnGlaceon Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015
Victim for more severe crimes.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm more leaning towards victim for less severe crimes if anywhere...
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PRsOwnGlaceon Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015
Why? If the crime killed someone, the family should be able to have him killed. Closure.
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gardentears Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015
Omg :0
I'm writing an essay on this topic right now!!!
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha, I hope the comments on here are helpful for you then :XD:
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Llamagal21 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Idk... It depends on how bad the crime was and what they did.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So in what crimes would the family get to decide then?
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Llamagal21 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Hmm....I don't know.:dummy:
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Pure-Fire-Legend Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
As others are saying, there are problems with both, but the court system is something constant and something you can trust (even if only to a point), while people's families range as far as the earth, and you never know what they'll want. Definitely think that it's okay how it is.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, same!
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Hawkieface Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I believe that while neither option is perfect, an independent system is probably better as a) it's more reliable in facts etc., and b) they're a lot more fair? I can't word it properly but they try and make the outcome just and equal to the charges, whereas the victim/victims family will provide "what they deserve"
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, indeed D:
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SimpleRosary Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Eh.....
The justice system is definitely far from perfect, but at least it's somewhat organized and civil. Punishment by the victim can get out of hand extremely quick--especially with horrible crimes such as murder. 
On one hand, vengeance is NOT a good thing you want to encourage in people. That's only gonna make things worse, and affect people in an even more negative way. Sure, I think criminals deserve punishment...but I still try to be humane and would only resort to physical punishment if they REALLY deserved it. People resort to crime for many reasons: survival, for a loved one, they had no choice...
On the other hand, it's easy to sympathize with victims. None of us want to be robbed, or have a loved one murdered. You can't blame a victim from being rash, enraged, and/or traumatized by what happened to them. Whatever punishment those criminals get deserve what's coming to them! They should've known not to do bad things! 

The justice system is flawed and I hate the sentence numbers that are currently implemented. Many feel that criminals aren't punished enough. Obvious evil folks are released back into the world only to commit more evil. I can't really pick a side, but I do want to keep the system around for the sake of order.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, true, it's easy to sympathize with them, but at the same time we need to stay rational as well, in order for things not to get out of hand like you said...
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DarkGrievous7945 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Until the independent system actually is sufficient enough that criminals actually FEAR punishment, I honestly don't care if a few people go vigilante...

The justice system is quite terribly broken, and from what I hear, some countries have it worse...

That being said, I can't make any definitive answer here...
Currently both options are crap, one especially hindered by "human rights activists" and far too many god damn appeals... (at least, in US.)
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I personally think the first one still is to be preferred.
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DarkGrievous7945 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah, but criminals are treated like kings these days...

Maybe if the justice system actually handled them properly, including making them feel what some of their victims have, then I'd have more confidence in it...

Tell me, is it fair that rapists can do absolutely horrendous things to others, and they get a needle of poison, or a fatal shot from a random gun? I say hell no. I think that equally as awful things should happen to them. Good thing their fellow inmates sometimes have enough of a moral compass to punish them for us. Their punishment should suit their crime, maybe experiencing rape as a victim themselves would teach them, and others, a lesson! Same goes for all the others, they do horrible stuff to others, they can expect the same.This also could help if done right, for those small-time offenders who might still develop into model citizens, if they're not given harsh sentences for small things, or even accidents... It's actually a complex matter I'd rather not discuss.... Oh, and another thing: diet of bread and water, and lose all the other privileges. It's bullshit! They get to live like kings at the expense of the taxpayers? that's stupid! Given the choice between seeing a rapist given a life sentence, or even the death penalty, and seeing him slaughtered with no mercy like a pig (ideally by a victim or their friends/family), I will take the latter. Same goes for these serial killers, and the little cowards who take-on people much weaker or smaller than them.
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asinineArSoN Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I say the independent. The victim's judgement can clouded by rage and sadness; and the traumatic event they may have gone though may leave them.. scattered.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, I think so too!
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TomboyJessie13 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm in between the choices.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh :0
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TomboyJessie13 Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah, it depends on the person.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
xD
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Timpin2001 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Revenge is always worse than necessary.... so I'd say the former :)
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, same here!
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stormydog123 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Family and the victim would probably get controlled by grief and make really bad options because of this emotion.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think so too!
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TheDogzLife Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's good that there's a system but like for some crimes they just seems to excuse them for some reason
Like rly the system shouldn't depend on who the criminal is
& I also think that's why letting the victim decide wouldn't really work too well
bc for a judge this is just some random person who committed a crime, they're just doing their job, but for the victim that criminal is someone who has hurt them personally
also there's still the chance they can blame the wrong person & then someone innocent could get like a really severe wrathful punishment otherwise
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, indeed... I think so too! Agreed.
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WhovianAndWarriors Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
if the victim's families chose the punishment then of course SOME would choose a suitable punishment, but others might give too big of a punishment because of grief or something. It would make sure the criminal was punished and that's good, but I think that it's better to have an independent system.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think so too!
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rosypose Featured By Owner Edited Mar 31, 2015
I think that the victim should have a say in what happens for sure, however I don't think they should have full control because they're often extremely biased and can't think rationally at the time. That being said, I do think they should have a considerable say in what happens, due to it affecting them personally on varied levels. 
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, of course they should be listened to and taken seriously for sure! But there should be a fair amount of control on it too ;w;
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I don't really have a preferred answer. However, I do have one belief.

Murder is a serious case and often results in YEARS in prison.

I don't believe in this.

I believe that if you murder somebody, you should be in prison for the number of years you took from them. For example, if you murder a 16-year-old boy. Average person lives 82 years. 82 minus 16 is 66. Spend 66 years in prison.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But what if you murdered someone older?

Plus, there are always people who see abortion as murder. According to their logic, that mother should spend the rest of her life in prison because she took a potential life away (I do not agree with this but I know people who would)).

I don't believe such a system would work, personally.
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
True, true. However people are working to end abortion. People like me.

Heh, how about we all agree that certain systems work for certain people?
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
End abortion? Why, if I may ask? No offense but I hope that never succeeds.
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Abortion is awful, in my opinion. That's pretty much it.
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay, any reason why? I mean, I think cheese is awful.
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
THEN END CHEESE!!! :XD:

I just believe you should give everything a chance. Well, almost everything...
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SpitfiresOnIce Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But not abortion? I mean, no, you shouldn't just give it a chance as in doing it, but I don't know your particular reasons to stand against it xD
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animalover4six Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Well ya but what if it was a little kid—then they barely had a life, etc
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
But say it was still maybe... 5 months. You still should spend 82 years in prison, for every year of life you took from it.
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animalover4six Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah that's what I mean! If the person was older at least they lived for x amount of years! But if it was someone super hound they'd have never even gotten to live their life!
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
But you still took life away from them. They could've lived for YEARS, but now thanks to the murderer, they can't.
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animalover4six Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I know but still the younger the person the more life you took not the other way around...of course no matter what, it is bad and you took away the life of someone but I'm just saying 
Like if someone lived longer than average and was killed they had their fill of life but yes could of lived longer and yes if the person was murdered that's awful and the killer should serve serious consequences
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MoonCat47 Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I am not going to discuss my opinion with you anymore. It is mine, do not try to dissuade me.
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animalover4six Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ya...right sorry.....:(
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