If someone is uncomfortable with/against homosexuality, is it alright for them to decline drawing a couple because of them being homosexual? What about homosexual characters on their own? (Only talking about SFW art here, so no porn or anything)
66 deviants said
Yes, it is alright, but only if it's a homosexual couple or another situation that shows the character is homosexual
58 deviants said
No, that is not alright in either case
42 deviants said
Yes, it is alright for them to decline drawing any character that is openly homosexual, even if the drawing itself does not show the character is homosexual
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, an artist should have the full right to draw what they want, and to be able to refuse service for any reason. Ideally they wouldn't have to, but it's a good right for an artist to have. That way, if the commissioner is hard to work with, or the subject material is very disturbing, they can decline their services.
However, I think declining to draw someone because they're gay is kind of silly. Not to mention it would likely have consequences, as others have stated. Again, I understand why someone would refuse to draw a commission if it was rule-breaking or if the commissioner wasn't respecting them or what not - that's just standing up for yourself and preventing yourself from having to take work you don't feel comfortable with - but not drawing a character because they're gay doesn't have any social, artistic, financial, or practical advantages that I can see. It's just not good business practice to turn down work for something so trivial, not to mention it just kinda makes you look like a dick (which will in turn affect how many commissions you can get and whatnot).
Sure, we can accept the idea that an artist can turn down a commission due to some bad parenting*, but that artist no longer deserves to even get commissions anymore. I'm sick of playing devil's advocate for prejudice assholes, myself. We are very much a part of this world, no one can force us to change, and we are not going to accept being marginalized or ignored.
It's the artist's loss for a chance to hone his/her skills and possibly earn money for it, because that's what it should be about, not petty outdated morals.
*Yes, I am implying that homophobes are the product of shitty parenting. Wanna fight about it?
Yea, I can't really justify people not wanting to draw a character because of said character's orientation anymore, especially since by far most people have no problems drawing a character that has killed someone in their lives - so being gay is worse than being a murderer, or?
Exactly. Society has this bizarre disconnect when it comes to both sex and violence. You can get away with some appalling, gruesome shit on standard cable, but if a single boob pops out, THEN the youth are being corrupted by the idiot box. It's such a backwards standard. I really wish I knew how it could be fixed, but its part of an ingrained problem with our overall psychology, and that fact is preyed upon by the corporations that control what goes on the air, perpetuating the problem without anyone realizing the problem.
I think the artist has every right to decline the offer if that's how they feel on the topic. Personally, I think it's a bit far to decline a singular character who happens to be homosexual, but if it's a couple it's understandable. I don't really like that thought because I'm all about equality and I'm fine with homosexuality, but that's just me~
As artists, we draw whatever we please, however, we tend to forget that. We constantly dislike each other for what others are interested in. But if you can do something, someone can like/have an opinion about something else. Therefore, if someone doesn't want to draw something, they have the full right to do that. No one can tell them otherwise.
We as artists preach about being free to express ourselves so we must allow other to do the same.
To be honest, I wouldn't be commissioning anybody who is obviously a homophobe in the first place, and I would balk at anybody I'm unsure of as well. I'm not commissioning anybody to draw my gay characters if I'm unsure of how they would react to the simple fact that the character is gay.
The artist should have the freedom to say no to whatever they don't feel like drawing. There doesn't even need to be a reason, if the artist says no than no is the final answer. If the artist doesn't like drawing waffles, I don't feel they should HAVE to draw waffles.
I like art as much as the next person, but to impose upon someone just for the sake of a drawing is not what art is about. Unless I haven't been paying attention.
That's true, but I have a double feeling about this one as it's an aspect that does not influence the drawing itself in any way.
If you don't like drawing waffles because of how they look, that's your decision. But if you would have drawn that same character if you hadn't been told it was homosexual, then you're kind of discriminating based on elements that don't affect the drawing at all - the orientation does not change the character's design or personality and thus it wouldn't become any different to draw it!
If it's because they're not straight, it's pretty dang homophobic no matter what the situation! There's always the whole "I don't draw kissing/hand holding, etc" thing, but that's not because they're not straight, you know? Though the artist does have a right to turn down drawing anything, this is a pretty shitty reason ;v;
I don't really think anyone but the artist themselves should get to have a say in what they can't draw, or have to draw... I mean, I think it's a dumb reason, and a bigoted one, but it's still their choice. You always ask really insightful questions that I don't know the answers to, though, so needless to say I'm not really sure XD what do you think?
Well, technically, of course anyone can deny whatever they want, but if it has nothing to do with the picture whatsoever,, then it isn't a reason like "character is too complicated to draw", then it's just orientation-based discrimination, so yea...
Yeah, after thinking about it until 2 in the morning instead of sleeping because i'm smart, I think I'm gonna have to agree that that does sound like discrimination, and i don't think it's okay kinda like denying service to customers just because they're gay.. it's also a terrible business decision, if it was a commission. ugh, why can't things have simple black-and-white answers again? ;n;
Well technically, anyone can decline what they please if it makes them uncomfortable, and they shouldn't be judged for it. I probably wouldn't mind drawing a gay character if requested by a friend, or was part of a trade, but I'd feel uncomfortable with drawing a couple (which no one has asked me to do anyways).
People can draw what they want, but generally if you're still against homosexuality in 20145, then maybe art isn't the right thing for you (I've never seen so many queer people as in the artistic field) xD Anyway, it depends on how they put it: if they don't want to draw a couple that is not straight because they feel uncomfortable/have their reasons (risk of being outed, risk of getting themselves in bad situations because of it, etc) but they aren't against it it's fine, if they don't do that because they hate them (and also refuse to draw someone just because they're queer) , then they're wrong. On another note, I've been following this artist for a long while and after getting a big batch of nsfw commissions that were almost all gay she got burned out by it because she's straight(see as: it doesn't turn her on at all), so she decided to get same sex nsfw commissions only in certain occasions since they drain her so much. Then, even if her gallery had lots of gay pieces, people went batshit crazy over it, calling her homophobic and stuff like that. Moral of the story: You can't make everyone happy with your decisions, even if you try to put it as nice as possible 8)
i need to stop reading these comments bc im gonna end up fighting someone i think it's dumb. first of all, we live in a different time where lgbt+ people are able to be more open and they're more accepted than ever. get a grip. move on, this isn't 1950 :/ also, it's bad business. people are less likely to buy from an artist who's not accepting of others, and when they refuse to draw a queer couple, there goes a business opportunity. especially when it's an individual character and then its more like ??? chill out we get ur homophobic