WELL Personally, I believe that it's the mother's choice. However, I don't approve of abortion always; you had sex, this was the outcome whether you intended for it to happen or not. But, that's not saying I think abortion is bad. Say the mother was raped, or forced into to it by another means, then she has the right to. And honestly, I don't blame her. But if the child was conceived under consensual sex, she's at fault. If she didn't want a child, she should've used protection or not had sex at all. Make sense? There are other exceptions, but... pfft not in the mood right now. If anyone's up for a discussion, I'm happy to talk! I love hearing other people's opinions c: How bout you, Bienie?
"But if the child was conceived under consensual sex, she's at fault. If she didn't want a child, she should've used protection or not had sex at all." This kinda rubs me the wrong way... sex is no longer used just for reproduction. It's also a social and romantic thing. So I can't agree here. It's a person's decision to have sex and they shouldn't be blamed for that. Also, you're only mentioning she. What about the man? It feels like you're only blaming the woman here
So let's say you deny abortion to those women because "they should've known better". You're forcing them to endure 9 months of pregnancy and finally childbirth. That's a heavy price to pay. And then they have to take care of a child they didn't want. Don't you think you're punishing the child here, too?
Ahh true :/ this is a really iffy topic, I think... a lot of people have different views and almost everyone has a different opinion to it Whoops... sorry, I'm really tired no, I did mean they're... not she. Not all her fault D:
Hmm, I see your point. But, as I've mentioned in my previous point, if they didn't want to have a child then there're simple ways to avoid that. However, it's still up to the mother to make the final call... if she doesn't feel that she's capable, by all means she has the right to choose abortion. Personally, though, I don't feel that to be the response I've made (if I had conceived the child in question through consensual sex)
So, yeah :I interesting topic... I really hope my opinion hasn't offended you ;n; if so, I'm sorry! These are just my thoughts...
Yea, but mistakes can happen, and anticonception can fail. It just happens. It's alright if you don't want to do it yourself, it's just not alright to say others can't do it just because you wouldn't do it.
Well you see we woman are always blamed when it comes to child birth and sex, "She was raped because she had shorts on" "Well maybe she shouldn't of worn such revealing clothes" "Maybe she shouldn't of had sex at all if she didn't want the child" Okay so for rape, I know you said that it's the womans choice and your opinion is actually really close to mine but, we should not be slut shaming the VICTIMS key word there, the rapist is to blame here, I get that if you show some skin that you become more appealing, but I'm Bisexual and I don't go walking around and seeing girls with shorts on and go "hey.. I wonder if I'm strong enough TO RAPE HER" NO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING A GOOD OR MENTALLY RIGHT PERSON WOULD THINK. Sorry bout them Capitals. Men get raped too, and that's not good, there shouldn't be any raping done, anywheres, but when a guy gets raped he isn't left with a child to take care of.
Most rapes are done by Men, Men are typically stronger.. Women are able to rape, however.. it's not as common.
Do you really know what erks me though "OMG SHE SLEPT WITH THREE DUDES LAST YEAR WHAT A SLUT" "Heyyy heard you got laid last night, dude, pretty sweet, how was it? Think I could hit her up?" Why is this okay? Cause it isn't! And don't try and tell me this doesn't happen, cause it does, many people are to far into their fantasies that they can't realize what's going on.
Back to abortion, I agree that it is COMPLETELY the mothers choice, and I won't judge them for that, I wont, I can't, it's not my place, it's not your place, not the governments place, not even their mothers place. I personally could never abort my child, if I have to give them up to my aunt (cause heaven knows my aunt would never ever ever ever ever give up a child mine or a friends) so be it, I won't kill my child, but again this is my choice and mine alone, and no one really has a say in this, if my aunt for some reason doesn't want to have the baby then I will raise them like no one's ever been raised. I'm not saying I just will gladly give my child away, but if I can't support the child then I will eventually be forced to make that choice.
hope you don't mind my opinion, I'm kinda loud and obnoxious and stupid (haha I'm a genious what am are you talkin' bout Willis) but again it's my opinion <3
I never blamed the mother in a rape situation... I don't think D: if it came across that way, I swear that's not what I meant! Bienie pointed out that I said 'she' quite a lot, too, when I meant them (being both the mother and father in question) I absolutely detest the excuses people make for rape... I mean "she shouldn't have been wearing revealing clothes" is just stupid... a) she can wear whatever the hell she's comfortable in, and b) she shouldn't be DRAGGED ASIDE AND FORCED INTO SEX Ugh people these days... am I right!?
But I see c: I believe it's the mother's choice, but depending on the situation I may not necessarily approve. However I'm never going to stop someone from getting an abortion if that's what they've decided to do -- as you've said, it's not my place :/
Women already don't have enough rights and are we seriously trying to give a fetus more rights than a women now? Most abortions happen before the baby even has developed a heartbeat, it's not even alive, most of the time, when it gets removed. Also, and this should be the deal breaker no matter what- it should be a women's choice what she does with her own body. It is for no one else to decide what someone does to their body, it is for them and them alone. If they want an abortion, that's fine- we have no right to rip any more of a women's rights away from her.
Pro-life. A mother's whom is supposed to be one of the safest places on Earth, and we are taking that safety away. Although many people say, "It cant think yet, it's nothing." I personally don't think that's true. God knows your soul even before you are born. And I guess we can also say if a woman got raped, then is abortion appropriate? I think no. You can always give the child up for adoption. People may also say, "Well what if the girl is too young?" Then I don't know what to tell you. Please, I don't want anyone picking fights with me. Just read this, and if you don't have anything appropriate to say, then please don't respond. That's what I think.
I really don't believe that abortion isn't as easy as everyone makes it seem. It takes a long time. Many requirements have to be met. It's just not easy. Plus you're forcing someone to go through pregnancy and childbirth, to force their body to go through an exhausting and painful process. A body that isn't yours and you should have no opinion over whatsoever. But seeing as your arguments are religion-based, I guess I can't really argue with you as an atheist.
You are right. But this isn't over A female. It's over just the simple fact about what we think on abortion. We shouldn't be fighting over each others belifes. WE are all different' therefore we all beliee different things. Why can't people get over that fact? WE were brought up differently so we believe stuff differently. WE just need to stop fighting.
I agree with you completly. If you have the means to do the dirty you should live up to the consequences. If you were raped. GIve the child a home where it would never know it was the outcome of anger and desire instead of love and desire. Giving the child a hope and bringing it into a world when it was concived of the bad deed, bring it to life with care and love.
But earth is overpopulated and theres a hell ton of children that are up for adoption. Also if the mother doesnt want the child...if they cant abort they will eventually kill the child. How many stories have we seen about babies being thrown into the dumpster because the mother didnt want it, or murdered then Got rid of its dead body. Also people value life over anything and thats wrong. Technically, when the fetus is still young its brain isnt developed so its not an actual own being. Dragging religion into this is bs because not everyone is religious and for fucks sake let the women do with their body what they want and not make them suffer for something that may not have been their fault. I wouldnt want to go through months of pregnancy and give birth to the child of a rapist. Besides, abortion isnt that easy. And also would be bad for a womens body if theyd do that too often, therefore it isnt a reason to not use protection. Abortion is legal over here and I dont see people doing that here every day.
I understand your point and i really don't have a religion right now because im in a very confusing state of mind right now. As i said before you don't have to like my opinion you don't even have to listen to it. I'm not saying anything bad about your belifes so please leave mine alone. Thank you for such generosity because your opinion is valued but i don't nesacarily beilve it. That's the only difference here. Get over it. we can't sway other people to belive That it's not okay so stop trying to sway people to belive it is okay. We are seperate people. We all belive in something different. Get the fuck over it.
I'm an atheist but I dont mind others religions. But it annoys me when people put religion on other people. Everyone should decide for themselves. Being pro-choice doesnt mean everyone wants to have abortions, it means that a woman can choose for herself if she wants it or not. If you dont want it thats okay but if someone else wants it its their thing to deal with and not yours. Not giving people the choice just because you dont like it is silly.
Okay. I get your point. you think im forcing my religion(don;'t really have one) on other people forcing them to belive it? That is just ludicrus because all i said in the beggining is that i am pro-life. i'm not trying to make everyone belive that,all im saying is that A fetus is still a person and that it should be wrong to kill one just because you can't touch, hear, talk, or look at it. Jessh. I'm going around and saying " ohh you should belive this because I think what you belive is wrong!!" I'm not doing that. We just need to stop fighting because it's over something stupid. all she asked is what were our thoughts on abortion. All we did was say than perople come and try to change what we belive. I belive it's wrong to do that. so this onversation is now over because im done trying to change your judgement. Think im a bad person all you want but I never tried to sway anyone over to my way of thinking. That's the end of it.
No, I'm not talking about you, but in general. Most of the people that are against it are religious people because they believe the fetus has a soul already or whatev- when its technically not its own being (in the early state). Also why it's legal here until the fetus reaches a certain age, then it's not possible anymore (not in legal ways that is)
Your welcome because me and my mother go over this alot when a thing comes up in the news saying " such and such killed their baby" Me and her both agree that it's not right to take a life away just because it can't be on it's own right then.
And who ever says that we're giving more rights to a fetus than to it's mother. I have one thing for you. We aren't talking about anything that has to do with rights. WE are simply talking about life and the reason why there is only one person who should be able to take life as well as give it. I'm not promoting god or anything but seriously. WE aren't giving or taking any rights away to anyone so please get over yourself?
no one should be forced to go though birth, and if you try and make it a logical argument by using your religion, it kinda puts you at a dead end because some people have different religions and other dont even believe in any god.
I believe in a woman's choice. If she chooses to have sex with a man, they choose to create a child. After that the right that child has to live is no different than the rights any human has.
If the fetus were to form into anything other than human, than the parents can choose whether or not to continue its development, but since humans have human babies, the 'choice' was made at conception. The human's right to life must be paramount, no matter the age.
At what point is a human being considered mature? Eighteen? Twenty five? So anything under that is abortable? When is a human considered human, birth or conception? When is it murder? Two months, two years, two decades?
No, I think people should consider all the factors involved in sex. Not just pregnancy, but STD's and emotions, and the other person as well. Human life is far too precious to be snuffed out so callously. I see now difference in a baby whether it's two months in the womb, or two months out. It's still a baby and it's still human, not a tumor.
To a certian point, yes the woman can choose. But then after it forms more, they should no longer have the choice.
There's also the man to think about. If the man doesn't want the child, but the woman pushes for it, the man shouldn't have to pay child support. Like...it's like paying a bill for something you don't have. Why do it?
saying a woman should no longer have a choice is practically saying you wanna cut off the rights to her body because 'the child formed more'. and also a woman usually never pushes for a pregnancy, the man usually wants to his his lil dicky wet and then when the woman is pregnant he hauls asshole because he thinks he shouldnt take responsibility for a child (he knew that couldve happened) just because it isnt in his body