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Where did everyone go? Apparently DeviantArt is a graveyard.
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Lucanos Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
There has certainly been a shift in the community here on dA.

I think that there were a pile of factors involved:
- The accessibility of digital photography ballooned, and, as dA was already an established place to share images socially, we kind of got flooded with (in my opinion) non-artistic snapshots, as well as people sharing images they did not create themselves,
- Then sites/apps like Instagram and Tumblr popped up, which further confused the ecosystem,
- Then Facebook grew substantially, with people who make images commercially starting to engage their fans/clients/collaborators through FB rather than dA

On top of that, the fact that dA continues to charge not-insignificant amounts of money for "Premium" accounts whereas alot of the competition are free and the difference in features between dA and that competition is not (to anyone other than the dedicated deviant) sufficient to warrant paying for it...

Add to that the fact that life moves on, and people will always move on, up, sideways and in different directions. So there may be active segments of the community here, even if the segments we used to hang around in have cooled somewhat...

All that being said, welcome back, and hopefully you will have some interesting new work to share with those of us who have held on.
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014
Nice to hear from you Luke.

I think you're right on a lot of fronts. What is it about dA that keeps you on here btw?
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Lucanos Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
For me, it is mostly the people who I made connections with back before those changes really took hold. People like yourself, Andy, etc.

I also occasionally trawl for good work from people I haven't heard of yet, but that can sometimes be a challenge as they are sometimes drowned out by the volumes of people using dA for something other than art. Hence why I let my Premium account lapse - I found I wasn't spending enough time here for the benefits associated with a paid account to be worth the investment.
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Rojpix Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
umm no FB has taken a large slice of activity probably because you van link up to people more easily but try putting a nude shot up there and whack they shut down your account
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Yeah I did wonder how that would work for the artistic nude stuff. I'm seeing a lot of kinda-sorta censored photos with fuzzy bits showing on FB.
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Dougtehbear Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
Good to see you again
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Thanks Doug, you too :)
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Dougtehbear Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Lets hope we can get full access back to Malabar headland soon, Cape Banks is getting a little crowded!
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
It's still fenced off isn't it? It really is a shame they went to that extreme over the whole thing. :(
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Dougtehbear Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
They have done a lot of work to make the area safer - removal of asbestos, cleaning it up in other ways - but because of the range being used one day a week it means that the rest of us cannot get to the area the rest of the time either.
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
It's nice they're cleaning it up, but not a lot of value to it if they won't let people in to enjoy it. Hope things change sooner rather than later.
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andre-j Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
You're right. Some of us linger on like the undead, but so many have disappeared into the ether :(
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
hahah well you and I are still here, obviously :) But so many seem to have have scattered to the winds.
It is amusing when I think of how many people I know that I met through DA over the years. Just had sushi with Meluxine and Nsaia for example :)
Just waxing nostalgic I guess
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andre-j Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
yes - at one stage most of my models came via deviant art - that hasn't happened for ages; usually model mayhem these days
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
Who was initiating the shoots over DA, was it mostly the models? I'm just interested to see what you think has chanced. I mean, model mayhem existed way back when so I don't think it's taken any traffic away directly.
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andre-j Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
a bit of both . . . I suppose I got chatting to aussie models on d a and I probably asked them to shoot. . . I imagine I invited you; I guess I'm not seeing as many local models on here to invite . . . and there were certainly cases where potential models asked me to photograph them . . . I get quite a few such invites now through my facebook photography page
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
Yep, I'm hearing that a lot. Facebook seems to be the networking forum de jour. Even I set up my own photography page on there recently.
I feel so out of touch.

Model Mayhem has always been a good place to find people to work with. Shame it's so anonymous. You end up trying to work with people you've never met before, and because they don't know you either, there is less incentive to show up for shoots etc....
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andre-j Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
yes, I've had a few no-shows with model mayhem, and people who approach me interested to shoot, we plan something and then I never hear from them again . . . and I'[m pretty sure there's quite a few 'models' on there who are probably not who they appear to be, looking for 'sus' photographers
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
I never really considered the possibility that they weren't legitimate models, but I guess there is always a chance.  I suspect a lot of it is just models typically being young people with busy lives and are yet to determine what their priorities should be. It's frustrating, but I guess you do get what you pay for when it comes to professionalism.
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TheCycle Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
ikr? :XD: i came back about a month ago, heh
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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
:P
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zilla774 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
it happens like that now and then... depressing when you submit what you feel are some of your best pieces and you get no response. But are we here to grow as artists or for the popularity, right? ok so we WANT the popularity so we can grow... catch 22 heh :D

I'm still watching you actively though, does that count?

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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Thanks Zilla. Pretty sure you were one of my very early watchers. It's nice of you to stop in and say hello.

I don't think I've particularly worried about popularity on Deviantart in a long time (even before leaving on hiatus) but it is kind of sad to see the friend chat list and have 90% of the people on there with 'inactive 340w' next to their names. I guess I came back hoping to see the groups of local models, photographers and artists who worked together and supported eachother. There are some people still here obviously - Andy, you especially. But it does feel a bit like the boat has sailed. I'm not sure who I'm posting to right now is the issue. The models I work with are not on here to see the works for one thing.
I guess I'll persevere and hope there are still people to talk to from time to time :)
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zilla774 Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
things go in cycles. Life is like that. The only thing you can do is to start afresh, get new watchers, build new circles. dA still has a lot of life and a lot to give. But yes, it is sad to see people who you started out alongside fall away. I have 10k watchers... but probably on about 12 of them are actually active :( 


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spidercuffs Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
You're probably right As long as there are good new people to meet it would all be worth it.
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