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The North American Continent in 1928 A.D.
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Published: November 23, 2011
** v2:[link] **

The political situation in North America just before the Great War.
I still need to tweak some of the names/borders, then add lat/long lines and photoshop effects to make it look fancy, but since I just finished the labeling I wanted to post it. As usual, comments and suggestions welcome!

South America: [link]

Europe: [link]

EDIT: lat/long complete, missing names added and text shifted a little.

01/06/12: Wisconsin changed to Souix. Added grey dashed lines to denote territories currently occupied by the empire of Mexico.

01/20/12: Added maritime borders, corrected title of mexican empire.

01/26/12: Change line thickness of borders and coastlines, changed Souix to Mississippi (thx to :iconspiritswriter123: for the suggestion)

01/27/12: changed Confederate States of America to Confederation of American States and removed some of the occupied zones. added quebec capital at quebec city.

02/07/12: corrected language errors, changed boldness of national titles
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hyuka's avatar
hyuka|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I love that you made Quebec it's own country ahah ;) (I wish it was ;n; ) 
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SuperCJ's avatar
"The political situation in North America just before the Great War" 1928 is 10 years after WWI ended
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Different Great War.
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spartan1273's avatar
It seems like every alternate map has me living somewhere besides the U.S..
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Well, they say variety is the spice of life!
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spartan1273's avatar
I suppose so. Although after a lifetime of living in OUR North America, anything more divided seems unnatural.
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
true Indeed
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AlienSquid's avatar
Nice work. I like it.

Mind you, the east coast of Quebec from the northern tip of Newfoundland was claimed by Newfoundland as a territory called "Labrador" and it was never disputed at any point, so some semblance of Labrador should exist. The only question was how far inland "Labrador" went. Labrador's current borders were established by 1927 via the Privy Council in London, (much to the consternation of Quebec).

Second issue of note... Newfoundland was a separate "Dominion" from Canada until it joined Confederation in 1949. In 1928, it was it's own entity, and hadn't even considered associating with Canada until the 40's when there was a push by the Brits to have Newfoundland go it's own way.

And thirdly, Quebec's original territory never even reached James Bay. Territory formerly held as Rupert's Land by the Hudson's Bay Company was granted to Quebec and Ontario after Confederation. Any independent Quebec in 1928 wouldn't include much of the north for the simple reason that it would be unable to keep it from a legal or even military standpoint. Quebec gained territory up to James Bay in 1898, but wasn't granted the remainder of it's current territory until 1912. So a Quebec Republic would likely merely be near the Saint Lawrence, about a third it's current size. The extreme north of Quebec is currently known as Nunavik, and would likely have joined Nunavut or been its own territory if it didn't end up attached to Quebec.

Not a criticism, just a offering a few things to think about.
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Thak you, you're not the first person to bring up these points. As first maps, I hadn't done enough research on them, so I've stopped working on this series in favour of maps of specific nations and regions. I find making a world alt hist extremely difficult, so I'll wait till I've practiced a little more before I come back to this one.
I like that you mention the subject of newfoundland. It was the point that made me reconsider how I was approaching this project. After reading the reasons why Newfoundland hadn't joined confederation, I realized there was no easy way to have that change. It was the first event I had had that kind of problem and convinced me to be more discriminating in what I changed and how.

At present I am working on an Alternate wersion of the Canadian provinces and territories, and as you said Newfoundland is seperate and the district of Ungava still exists within the Northwest Territories, seperate from Quebec, and though the map is set in just prior to WWI, I think that by the present day, the district would have been added into Labrador, making it the seperate Territory of Labrador.

Thanks for the feedback!
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phlipper's avatar
In the North West you have a bit that reads ALYASKA when it should be ALASKA.

Is this a fictional map or meant to be an accurate depiction of the boarders at the time? It looks great, but it does not look accurate.

Where you have the northern bit of Cascadia Territory, British Columbia became a province of the Dominion of Canada in 1871.

The 49th Parallel was established as the border between Canada and the United States (west of the great lakes) in 1815 and further clarified in 1871 when British Columbia joined the Dominion of Canada. [link]

Here is a map from 1862 that shows the eastern portion of the boundaries between Canada and the United States.

Is it possible that this map is for 1828 and not 1928?
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Oh its totally fictional lol. There are a number of completely invented nations here such as Cascadia, Appalachia, Carolina, The United States of South America and so on. Thanks for the info tho, I was only aware of some of those facts.
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ClockwerkMao's avatar
Since Pennsylvania's the only free state in this seven-colony US, what's the cause of the civil wars? I'd imagine it'd be more likely that the Seven never integrated to the extent they did in real life, leaving Washington, D.C. as Georgetown, and Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia extending to the Mississippi. And if the British withdrew from the Seven Years' War, how does Canada exist at all? Wouldn't it be something like the Dominion of Rupert's Land and Hudson Bay? And I'm still fuzzy on Anglophone Texas. Did Mexico still invite slave-holding Americans into the state?
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
The British withdrew a mere days before the Miracle of the House of Brandenburg, thats my POD.

And I guess thats what Mexico did, only many of them may have been disgruntled louisianians fleeing after the British annexation.

Do you have a history degree or something? Cause you know way more than I do about any of this, that much is clear lol.
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ClockwerkMao's avatar
Nope. I'm just a nerd.

I doubt I know more. I just know different parts, many of them because of where I've lived.
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Well I'm always working to improve this mess of an alternate history lol. I've learned quite a bit doing research for what I've got.
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ClockwerkMao's avatar
The city in Arkansas is Petite Roche, with a feminine -e on the adjective. The Mormon name for Utah is Deseret; but the circumstances surrounding the foundation of the LDS church would probably be radically different with a Canadian New York. Sur América is not correct; Suramérica as one word is, but Sudamérica is more common. The mountain region in the east should be Appalachia. Why didn't Russia sell Alaska to the British or the Oregonians? Why did the Dominion of Newfoundland merge with Canada earlier than 1949? Could that have something to do with a Quebec that's seemingly strong enough to rebel against a larger Canada, and then take Labrador with it? Why is the city of Kansas called Shawnee City? Why did the Californians and Oregonians unite, and then name their country Cascadia? Why's there an Anglophone Texas if the French never sold Louisiana to the Americans? Did the Civil War result in four countries rather than two?

Forgive my nitpicking; I'm just curious about these details and many more.
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
PS: I hadnt considered much when I made the borders here. V2 is more like what I want.
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Um... where to start? My translations come from fellow dA users, before that all I had was Google Translate, but I'll be sure to change that and the the other spelling errors. (its funny you should mention appalacia, I noticed that just after I posted)

-Quebec actually never became part of Canada, due to the Brits backing out of the Seven Years War.

-The Cities in Lakota are explained above, all of them correspond to real world cities. I am aopen to suggestions about re/moving some or all of them

-The British took control of Louisiana just prior to the rise of Napoleon.

-The USA had a revolution resulting in a weaker federal government followed by a series of civil wars

As for the others, I'm not finished making my timeline yet, but I am working on a new draft. That said I hadn't considered some of the things you bring up.
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Light-Tricks| Interface Designer
Awesome, as a historian of Quebec nationalism (and general North American politics) any map with an independent Quebec and larger Canada is cool in my book. Would love to use soem of your political divides as a basis for an RPG setting if that's okay with you?
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
Lol I'm sure I said that in the most confusing way possible. I think it wouod be rad to make maps for games or have my mas aetured in games.
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Light-Tricks| Interface Designer
No that all made sense :) I never stop tweaking my work lol
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
I can understand that. Even when you finally are satisfied, six months later everything needs to change!
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SPARTAN-127's avatar
I would have less that no problem with that! I mayself am more partial to turn based strategy games (Civilization and Total War). The history behind my map still needs a little tweaking in my opninion, I probably should have fleshed it out a little more before I made the map, but oh well:)
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Spiritswriter123|Hobbyist General Artist
I have two things to say
1: the canadian province of Wisconsin, as shown as in your picture, doesn't even have a part of wisconsin in it, so may I ask you change the name to either Minnesota or Dakota?
2: Same for Ohio, although that is much more understandable because of the Ohio river
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