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my thoughts on art theft

Sun Feb 25, 2007, 12:01 AM
I've been wanting to post something like this in my journal, but hesitated because I didn't want to cause any unwanted drama, but it needs to be said at least once.

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This is just MY opinion. There is no set definition as to what "art theft" is. Many other artists may consider what I don't consider art theft to be art theft, but I'm not them. When it comes to MY art, go ahead and make icons/wallpapers/forum sigs/layouts/RP characters/whatever of it without asking me because I really, truly don't care. :) Credit would be nice, yes, but as long as you don't say "I drew this" when someone asks where the art came from, it's no big deal.

If someone is claiming to have done something I drew, directly tracing/copying my art without credit, or is making profit from my art, then please inform me of it, because THAT, to me, is stealing. And even then, I'd prefer it if you tried to deal with the problem yourself before contacting me about it, because I'm pretty busy. Thanks! :)

I do appreciate the concern though.

By the way, I just finished my comic for Bongo. Yay!

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jpupbobwoffyluvr Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2007
I totally agree with you, someone called me an art thief for using the same style as her >(
People make such a big deal about these things!
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artographer-513 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2007
I agree with your journal.
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Kuwaizair Featured By Owner May 25, 2007
I am getting accused of uploading other's photos, and accused of art theift all the time when I do parody work.
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wingring Featured By Owner May 24, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Lucky for me this will never happen~ :heart:
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LC85 Featured By Owner May 21, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I must say, your journal has enlightened me.

I found my artwork on two different blog sites. One didn't commit plagarizm, but didn't credit me either. So I was actually cool with that. The other however, I couldn't tell because it was frickin' Brazilian... It made me upset that they took my artwork on their website without asking me....but I'll take the lesser of two evils.

But yes, I am paranoid that someone will exploit my art...and believe it, it's worth it (not bragging)... however, you're right, don't lie about who drew it and it's cool.

And since you don't allow comments I'll tell you up front...

You are a GENIUS for making that rendition of The Simpsons and Futurama! I couldn't put the former on my favorites fast enough! I showed it to my friends, my baby sister said Bart looks like a mini-Vash the Stampede and I thought Lisa looked Super Saiyan :giggle:

Peace! :peace:
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Foxxie-Angel Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2007
My thoughts exactly, although I'm not too fond of people Roleplaying with my characters without asking me first, its not theft I know, but when I see some of the things the roleplay.... yeah o_O
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sererena Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2007
I agree with you. In fact, I don't even really care if people do try to take credit most of the time. Sometimes it's just not worth the trouble of running down some 12-year old who posted it on their website and said they drew it to show off to her little friends, it's not really harming me, because really when it comes down to it, who are they gonna believe? On the other hand, if they were trying to steal my identity or profit off my art, then I'd be pissed.
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yawningtiger Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
I'm an artist not very popular here at DA, so I think I won't have that problem, but I agree with you, If I see your art in any material or at the web I'll let you know.
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eCupcakes Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
MY GOD UR WORKIN WITH MATT GROENING?......thats great duud!
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yufu Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2007
waw you have agood galery , i have seen your comic art , thats have a good ilustration , but i think you need more explore angle for your comic , and researce for the coloum .


i hope you can give your coment for my work . Ineed lean too

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(sory if my englis very bad)
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Jezzann Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2007
ouch my head........ that was allot to take on at once. but i agree with you 100%
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kartos Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2007
I agree that I wouldn't be pissed, but technically speaking changing the size for an icon is considered to be altering the artwork and is in violation. If the artist doesn't go after the people though, it doesn't matter. I'm waiting on the day Bill Watterson finally gets grumpy enough to go after all the unliscenced Calvin and Hobbes stuff.
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Makishu Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2007  Student
Whats Bongo?XD
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badly-shaded Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2007   Traditional Artist
the people who publish the simpsons comic and asked spacecyote to do a comic for them
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Makishu Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2007  Student
Ooooh XD I knew that << >>
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badly-shaded Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2007   Traditional Artist
lol, sure you did! jk
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bag-of-Bones Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2007
i definitely agree that taking false ownership of a drawing is wrong and gaining profit from it is even more wrong.
and btw... i hope it's ok to say this (b/c you took off the comments for the 2 pieces you drew), congrats on the simpsons/possible futurama job!! man, that is SO awesome and crazy and unbelievable and amazing! you did a really terrific job on both pieces!
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The-Sax Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2007
So I can get that "Objection!" tattoo on my arm when I get into law school?
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spacecoyote Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2007  Professional General Artist
Sure can!
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HyperMetalix Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
So what happens in the comic
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Mykthecartoonist Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
i completely agree i have some characters i'm going to animate oneday to put on the net or even make episodes or whatever and if someone stole my ideas and made their onw stuff before i could i would be outraged. but as u say by all means use it, just dont claim it as ur own.
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aniphx Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Student Interface Designer
You know, I absolutely agree with your opinion.
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Akuinnen Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Yup...but unlike you I would prefer people not to use my art unless they have permission from myself no matter what they are using it for.

Will agree though lots of people have different opinions on art theft is...
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gant12000 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Congrats on finishing the comic.... i have no opinion on art theft to be honest.
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DeathCaller13 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
That's how I feel about art theft as well, actually. XD Except, I surely want them to ask for permission before running around using my characters or art (only because I have some pics that are precious to me). But, other than that, my thoughts are similar.
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DaimyoShi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
very interesting, it is kind of amazing on the total Grey area that exists in intellectual properity law and the like.
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lurveness Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Good point. I see what you're saying. That would piss me off roally if someone took something and claimed it as their own... or sold it... or something idiotic like that. But my art's not that great so I don't how you'd make money off it... 0___o lol.

I'm gonna go buy myself your comic! ^-^ Yay!
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CykosIs-AG Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed, I like your theory about the subject ^^

I mean, I've never gotten angry messages from GAINAX about using pen-pen...XP
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KalMc Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
I feel the same way
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ChAoS-LoRd Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
umm, isnt saying its yours art theft, and nothing more cuz technically...if u didnt say it was yours your not really stealing. =\
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MsNobody345 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Preach it! XD I totally agree with you!
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CrimsonSteele Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
I find it to be much simpler. I don't think you can call tracing theft, as long as the person doesn't claim the original work. One of the techniques I teach to people who want to learn how to draw is tracing. I feel it helps conditions the muscles for the movement. As long as you give credit where credit is due.
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healthyinsanity Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Professional General Artist
She said without giving credit though. And currently I'm in a tracing mode at the moment, though of mannequin models on paper instead of finished pieces, I figure if I get the structures right, getting the overlay of detail will be easier. So far it's working.

What I find funny is how many of these art thieves copy from popular, well known artists, then post all of the work in such a short frame of time that it's obvious they didn't do the work.

Ah well.

Some do it for attention of course, even negative attention makes them feel wanted, which is kinda' sick.
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CrimsonSteele Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
it all comes down to "no such thing as bad publicity" all though, the only one affected by the thievery is the original artist. Artists and admirers can usually tell if something is authentic.
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KimikoBell Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
I agree fully! What you said makes perfect sense.
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Qcaster Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
you've made some good points my friend,
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slee2o6 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
yes i'm agree with you. but you could make yourself for put copyright for your own artwork. maybe i guess you could read it. [link]
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BADunn Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
It's good to hear that you aren't a control freak, just sensible.

And it's GREAT to hear that the Bongo Comic is finished! Let us know ASAP when it comes out.
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General-RADIX Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
You've made a very good point, dearie...While all those things mentioned in your comment CAN hack aperson off (I know I would.), it's not technically stealing. When they start claiming it's THEIRS is when we whip out the copyright books.

Personally, I'd just ask that person to ask for permission next time (unless it's a genuine theft).
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KatSumeragi Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Brilliance. Can't wait to read the comic.
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gamingaddictmike125 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
lol makes sense course i dont see anyone taking credit for mine but i will keep that in mind :D
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kaidoh Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with your sentiment here. But some others will not and they'll be well within their rights. Hence why DA now offers the whole creative commons, levels of copyrighting, etc.

Nooooo.. it's not art theft, BUT there is a terribly fine line between "copyright infringement" and art theft. Copyright infringement does not care if said person makes a profit. It is any use of someone else's intellectual property defined by United States Copyright Law (and I only use the US as an example here) and must be proven. If you personally have no problem with someone posting your art on a forum or blog without permission (or printing out, or using for a newspaper article, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera) and which will be the case for 99% artists out there (hey, free publicity, right?) then it's all hunky dory. But you are within your rights to request someone to stop using your intellectual property for ANY reason.. and there are a few bad apples in the barrel who are super paranoid about their intellectual property.. particularly the RIAA, the movie industry, and software industry.

Even though I copied that REM tape back in high school for my own use, made it clear that it was REM's work and did not distribute it to any of my friends, I still "stole" someone else's intellectual property. AND, if you're doing artwork for someone else (i.e. corporation, other individuals, etc.) then it may come down to what level of rights you retain on your intellectual property (which would be defined in the contract you had your attorney look at before you signed it) and/or your employer's say-so. I might want to post that swooby celtic cross that I did as a commission for Joe Blow down the street, but I sure get permission from him before I do.
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lunykitsune Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
I agree with that.
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WerewolfgirlX Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Totally agreed. Now my art isn't 'stealable' (it's not hyper popular) but if it would happen, that I see a drawing of me somewhere, I don't really mind it, but as soon as they say they drew it, I would be mad, and post up the sketch.
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notmaggot Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
There are sure a heck of a lot of people who will freak out when they see icons or whatnot made of their art, I personally dont understand why either. The only time I've ever gotten in a fuss over something is when sites notorious for blatently *stealing* (saying it was their own work) used some of my pixel peices. Credit would have been great enough, but they went on to try to say how it was absolutely theirs when arguing with the person who actually drew it. hahah

I wish more artists were like you and had your definition of art theft!
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hiphopflavor Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
ok now i know ur "art theft" definition :)
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StitchFacedAngel Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Thank you! Bout time someone realized that art theft is a narrow term in this day and age. Your Opinion is one that I, and a few other I know share. Art in and of its self is something to be enjoyed. While Credit is indeed needed, some go over board. Water Marks on a whole Pic Really tic me off. What if I wanted to look at that pic has my wallpaper?

But again, this is all opinions. Some people feel the need to protect their art like it is an endangered species, and to them, more power. Theft is wrong, and to those that do it, SHAME ON YOU!

Ok, now I am ranting, okloveyouallgonebyebye!
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blacxthornE Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007
Very nice things you say about this subject. But that, as you said, is your opinion, and it's based on your good faith. The fact is, what "art theft" is, is pretty obvious. It's what "fair use" is that's not exactly defined.

Basically, using a copyrighted material in any way other than personal use, without written permission, is stealing. That means if I download one of your deviations just because I want to see them offline, or if I print it just to hang it on my wall, that's fine. When I go public with this, i.e. if I exhibit your piece in any way without written permission, it's off-limits. That also applies to using it as an avatar, or in one's forum signature. even if it's not for commercial purposes, even if they don't claim owning the piece, and even if they say the piece is actually yours, it's still not enough. Unless, it is considered "fair use". And what "fair use" is, is not strictly certain.

That's why now we have Creative Commons licenses. Because sometimes artists don't want to be that strict about the use of their work. Unless the CC license doesn't give them the right, they can't really use your work without your permission and now, they have it. This journal is a written permission to everyone.

Thank you for your good faith.
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hannibals-child Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2007  Hobbyist General Artist
In a tin can.

I've had a ton of submissions removed because I used lyrics, but it's not like I was selling those pieces for a little bit of extra cash.
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