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Since people have been split from the looks of it, I'm curious, what are your thoughts on Froaklin v Caly on the last page? (Also sorry if I worried anyone, new Lissylocke super soon, I'll talk there!) 

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1,809 deviants said What he did was mean. I understand why he did it, but I feel bad for Caly.
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822 deviants said Froaklin was harsh but Caly shouldn't have pushed him so hard.
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467 deviants said What he did was totally uncalled for and unfair to Caly
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357 deviants said Foraklin and Caly were both wrong.
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61 deviants said Froaklin did nothing wrong, it's all Caly's fault.

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Truefan80 Featured By Owner Edited May 1, 2018
What Froaklin was harsh but Caly shouldn't have pushed him. In the sense, they were both in the wrong. Froakling shouldn't have blown up at someone trying to help him and Caly shouldn't have tried to push him into talking when he didn't want to. So in that sense, they are both in the wrong. I understand why he was angry. I would be too if I found I got replaced by a fucking squirtle. It would cut deep because I trusted you and I had faith in you but you gave me away to some complete stranger. I feel betrayed and angry then this little girl tries talking to me and I openly  told to leave me alone. If she kept pushing it I would blow up too. I understand but it doesn't make it right. Froaklin needs to understand words hurt far more than moves. Caly needs to understand boundaries.  Froaklin knows what he said hurt her and I feel like everyone should give the same treatment for what did. So he knows what he did was wrong and Froaklin would understand how it feels to be treated like that when all you tried to do was help. 

 Hibicus got it. The best thing to do for someone like Froaklin is give them space and let them talk when they're ready. She knows he fucked up but she both sides of this and understood. I hope i'm not showing all that much sympathy because I really wanna show I understand both sides of this. 
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Genettle Featured By Owner Edited Apr 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Aaaaahhh..... Well. That's a complex question, even for something like a Pokémon comic. I'll try to keep this nicely organized so it's hopefully easier to read.

I'm not really the type of person with bothering to assign blame, things simply happen for whatever various reasons that lead to them. Trying to point fingers about who's more at fault tends to end up pretty pointless. Now, stating that, I'm also going to bring up that quite a few of my friends deal with major multiple mental illnesses. Those disorders can cause massive rage flares pretty similar to how Froaklin chooses to express himself. The problem is though that these levels of extreme tend to come after significant childhood and / or adolescent abuse. And I'm talking intense, heavy abuse. (Which can make Froaklin's presentation confusing for me because I'm not given much reason to believe he was abused? It seems more like the pain of loss or rejection.) I think Froaklin has enough self control to not speak the way he does, he has the linguistic knowledge to choose alternate words. It seems to me that in most cases, he'd rather simply not bother, it isn't a free excuse card of him just not being able to control himself or something.

From my perspective, even though Caly is very young and inexperienced, I could also easily argue that Froaklin is even more immature of a person than she is. While I do agree that Caly shouldn't be the individual offering to help him...... The fact that she wanted to and noticed Froaklin's signals about not actually wanting to be all alone says a lot about how perceptive she is. Before I dig into that I'm going to go back to the topic of my friends: Neither them nor myself would ever be free to behave in the ways Froaklin does while being able to keep those friendships. 
People in real life tend to not be that forgiving, considerate, nor understanding. Froaklin can honestly come across like an overly angsty, self centered teenager. It's been the jobs of both myself and my friends to keep our composure, leave a situation, or opt not to speak- even during intense emotional swings- when we feel we're out of control inside. That'll give a person time to not say the cruel words in their head and to wait until they've mellowed out enough to communicate, if they choose to do so. People who are in pain do not get any more of an easy pass to cuss people out, pointedly dig into other's insecurities, or generally behave like they're covered in sharpened knives.

It shouldn't end up becoming the job of everyone else around the person in pain to just........ take that behavior with a smile on their face. It doesn't matter how understanding you want to be. Froaklin still needs a real kick in the ass but everyone continues to bend over backwards to humor his talking habits. People in real life who act like he does? They end up friendless, they can loose their family, and can easily find themselves jobless. Yes, the trauma they've gone through to cause those behavioral issues were the fault of other people but ultimately, the way one chooses to manage that as they grow up is in their hands. Of course it feels extremely unfair, they never asked to be abused or ""ruined"" but........ It still happened and they still need to learn to reign themselves in, regardless of how much extra work and pain that'll be. That's what being damaged is. It's never a case of what is or isn't fair. Other people in one's life will all have different tolerance levels and anyone who could potentially handle Froaklin would also (debatably) be the type of person to smack him across the face for how he talks.

I feel like 
Hibiscus kindness streak actually enables his terrible coping skills. If he actually wanted to be alone? That's fine, then he should be. He should be alone with his thoughts to think about how he spoke to a child like Caly instead of wallowing in his own self pity. But he shouldn't be allowed to shove down everyone else around him who doesn't give him the special, singular brand of how-to-help-me-feel-better. We don't get to really pick and choose who offers to help us and sometimes even if the help isn't ideal, we should still be grateful that someone gives enough of a shit to even bother doing / saying anything at all. Because many people won't bother, many people won't really care what emotions or experiences that we happen to be going through. I think Froaklin damages the emotional well being of everyone he's around, including his own trainer, even if she hides it. There's nothing wrong with Caly being soft and he doesn't have any right as her team member to wreck that. Let alone pick the exact topics that will tear her apart and use that as a verbal weapon against her. She's obviously already dealing with abuse from her mother, she shouldn't have to deal with Froaklin's load of unstable, uncaring garbage along with it.

In my personal opinion, it shouldn't become the obligations of the less damaged or softer / kinder people to take on verbal or physical abuse for the sake of ""saving"" someone else. If Froaklin wants to give out basically every "GO AWAY!" signal under the sun? Be my guest but that's exactly the treatment he should receive in return until he eventually learns to communicate in a different way. Honestly? Froaklin can go fuck himself. I don't like him as a character. As someone who's been quite literally been threatened by people right to my face..... He makes me so incredibly angry to watch. Can I wrap my brain around why a man twenty years my elder (and partner to my best friend at the time) looked me straight in the eye and threatened to strangle me to death? Of course I can see why, he was agitated and has a horrible temper that he chooses not to control or get help for. Did I deserve to have my own post-traumatic stress disorder further worsened because of his issues? Heeeeeeeeeeellllll nooo. His problems aren't more important than mine simply because he was more willing to be outwardly furious. It took me a very long time to begin to understand that fact.
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Skitea Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2018  Student Filmographer
You’re absolutely right! Froaklin backstory is yet to be revealed but it doesn’t excuse him treating everyone the way he does and he is absolutely currently surrounded by enablers which includes Caly. All I can really say is that it won’t stay this way forever and the comic is actually centered around his character arc so answers will be given. I can totally relate to taking time to realize you’re not to blame for terrible things, I don’t want anyone to think I’m overlooking things like that. This outburst was meant to show how bad he can get, I’m glad a lot of people aren’t terribly sympathetic for him at this point in time.
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max7345 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
I get why he did it - he was in more of a mood than usual and wanted to be left alone and Caly, while only wanting to help, kept pushing for him to talk about it. As an introvert who has been in this situation before, I know that being pressed to talk about something when you've made it very clear at least once that you really don't want to talk about it in that moment is one of the most annoying and infuriating things someone can experience, and it only gets worse the more persistent the pushy person is. Blowing up like Froaklin did is almost a certainty in these situations if you're not used to keeping your anger in check.

That said, while Caly was being pushy, it came from a good place as she was only trying to help, so I do feel bad for her.

I agree with a few people in the comments, though - they both need to apologize to each other if any sort of friendship between them is to be salvaged. Ideally, it should be Froaklin who opens the "mutual apology" door first, but...it's hard to picture him actually doing that, so, if that point comes, it'll probably be Caly who apologizes first after realizing she shouldn't have pushed so much and waiting for Froaklin to calm down to his default level of grumpy. While this doesn't guarantee that Froaklin would apologize for the things he said in return, I don't think he's that much of a dick.
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Zorelias Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
In all honesty, they were both in the wrong.
People have different mindsets, and the same things could be applied for Pokemon as well.
Froaklin is a self sustainable character, and he has the liberty to look out for himself. This creates a major flaw for him as well, which doesn't allow him to reveal how he feels to most, but Hibiscus seems to be an exception, since they have met before and he's on somewhat good terms with her.
Calypso is a character who is not frightened to reveal how she truly feels, and will take risks of being insulted by Froaklin to get through to him. She, just as Froaklin, is in the wrong though. Caly doesn't understand that Froaklin prefers to cope with things alone, where as Caly finds tranquility in looking towards friends for assistance. If Caly didn't want to be damaged as she was, she should've let Froaklin stay alone. Froaklin, however, was wrong to insult Caly in the way he did, as he insulted Caly's mother, whom we know to be dead. That crosses the line, and he must have REALLY hurt Caly to tell her that her mother's beliefs were childish, as it was a coping mechanism for Caly.
Besides that, I think the argument really creates character development. This could lead to more suspense, drama, and overall things that make the story interesting to read. I don't hate neither of the characters for their actions, more or less thankful, since it creates a climax that you never expected, and I love that about stories. ;w;
[[Just realizing how long I made this about two frogs. Help.]]
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TePablo05 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2017  Student Filmographer
... wwwwwwwwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did not predict that the mascot of the Nuzlocke (you know, the Pokemon who you want to overcome every obstacle and keep on living 'till you become the Pokemon League Champion) would get soooooo much hate over the... *ahem*... "over"-reaction of a replacement research partner and the HUUUUGGGGEEEE (if anyone knows where the "huge" originated from, I'll give you a virtual cookie ;J[here's a hint: it's from a ytp]) rant on the supposed love interest of him. So, my thoughts on the whole "who do you think was more WRONG (I just imagine Donald Trump in the X and Y Nuzlocke now. Someone help me): Froaklin or Caly" argument? Well... *ahem* *inhales*:

In Defense of Benjamin Froaklin the Frogadier (also, love the nicknames of the Pokemon you catch/obtain. Wish I could be that creative, but now I'm off track, so lets start this opinion already):
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Upon hearing that Professor Sycamore has chosen a brand new representative for his research on Mega Evolution in the form of Squirtle, Froaklin dashes off to try to keep his calm before he destroys the very earth beneath him (Unfortunately, he begins dashing off by cutting off the phone call, presumably destroying the Pokedex. Froaklin, your Kaio-ken stage is showing). During his dash, he interrupts the other team's practice for the Competitions that Katy wants to perform in (to understand more of this, I'll talk more into it in Caly's defense). Upon seeing this display of rage, however, Caly the Froakie (quick tangent, but the reason why I think Caly is the love interest is because their both the same Pokemon, and I thought it was Caly that will change Froaklin's character ark and will return him to his good self from the good old days back at the Laboratory. But, apparently, that's no longer the case, because of what happens next. Tangent over, let's resume) heads towards the rage-filled-frog and tries to calm him down (even though he's in the mood to tear off someone's skull- and now I've made this much more darker than it should have been. Whoops! My bad!).
Awesome! Now we are on the first point as to why Caly the Froakie was wrong for what she did in the whole angry-frog-rant. Instead of just blindly going towards the frog who's about to go Super Saiyan/Super Form Froaklin (take your pick between Sonic or Goku, because it doesn't really matter as to what's going on in the chat), she should have asked her new friends if it's actually okay to hop over to where Froaklin was sitting without killing herself (it's a metaphor, she doesn't die, although it would have looked like it from there perspective, let's continue) Then, and ONLY then, if her friends said yes, she would go on over and try to calm him, continuing from where we left off. If they said no, however, she should have stayed right where she was and leave him to his grieving until he calmed down and was ready to join the group again. This is a way better strategy than just storming to a friend in need who also had the mindset of killing the closest thing he sees due to the eyes of rage Froaklin currently possessed ("HAH! Get it? Storm? No? Okay."), because it allows the person who wants to calm someone else to listen to other opinions from other people so that that person would make the right decision accordingly. But, unfortunately, Caly does not make the right decision, and now we get to see what happens NEXT TIME ON NUZLOCKE REA!!! (geez, and I thought the actual comic had more references and forth wall breaks. I am in serious need of help :C)
As Caly approaches him, Froaklin asks why she is with him in the first place. She responds saying that she wants to talk to him, to which he responds with a cold and somber "no." Instead of saying okay and leaving him be, like any other sane person would (we'll get to that momentary) she continues to accidentally push his buttons by saying that talking is like (and I quote [I wish I was making this next quote up]) "letting the bad feeling faries leave your mind." ... Okay... She goes on by telling him that she is a very good listener, before, the unthinkable happens (... before that, however, we will discuss why this scenario is wrong)...
Wow, we already have two reasons why Caly was in the wrong, and we're not at the big rant that set everything in motion! Okay... first of all... Caly, what did you think was going to happen when you continued to talk not even seconds after Froaklin told you that he didn't even want to speak to anyone. You should have left him alone! I know you really wanted to help (heck, I would've wanted to help any of my friends in any time of need), but if someone wants to be left alone when they looked they want to be left alone, at least I would have left them alone and probably waited a day or two and see if they have gotten any better! And secondly... "Bad feeling faries"? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?!? Do you mean Fairy-type Pokemon like Sylveon, or actual faries as in Tinker Bell!?! And most importantly, WHY WOULD YOU EVEN BRING UP THE STUPID SUBJECT OF EITHER DIFFERENT TYPES OR MYTHICAL CREATURES WHEN, FOR THE PAST MONTH OR SO, FROAKLIN NEVER EVEN WANTED TO HEAR SOMETHING THAT STUPID IN HIS LIFE?!? AAAAAHHHH!!!!!! ... um... ah... *ahem* ... uh, sorry about back there. I sounded really mean towards that sweat innocent character (maybe that's why she brought up the whole "bad feeling faries" thing in the first place, that she's too innocent to know that something lick that would have pissed him off... hmm). Well, at least it wasn't as terrible as the rant you're about to hear (and yes, I will be adding the whole rant in here, considering that was a huge plot point in the comic for both Froaklin and Caly [and I am going to censor any and all curse words so that I don't stoop to his level]).
Froaklin has finally picked the last and final straw, getting him to a level of almost Super Saiyan (oh, I wished Froaklin evolved into a Greninja when he was doing his rant). Having heard enough of whatever Caly was saying, he immediately used a (Water Pulse? Hydro Pump? S
eriously, what move even is this? It doesn't help that the comic only provides a "splat" sound effect.) attack and finally shuts her up (oh now she stops talking). As if he was a volcano finally unleashing it's energy and erupts with a burst of lava (or, in this case, water), Froaklin yells out the longest and most terrible/horrible rant in the history of Pokemon Nuzlocke history... *ahem* (here we go)... *inhales* "LISTEN THEN!! I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU! I'VE NEVER WANTED TO TALK TO YOU! SO DO ME A HUGE F**KING FAVOR AND STAY FIVE MILLION MILES AWAY FROM ME! I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET ANYTHING THROUGH THAT THICK F**KING SKULL OF YOURS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND! I DON'T GIVE A SH*T WHAT YOUR MOM SAID, OR YOUR STUPID F**KING 'FEELING FARIES,' OR ANY OF YOUR OTHER CHILDISH BULLSH*T. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU! NOT EVER! F**K... OFF!!!"
... wow... You know the phrase "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"? Well, that phrase no longer has any meaning to both of these characters, and it certainly doesn't help when sometimes words, most notably swear words, are metaphorical knives that cut open your feels! This has to be one of the most iconic moments in any Nuzlocke ever just due to the fact that it shows that even Pokemon, the mythical creatures of the series, have boiling points towards toleration before they finally had enough. I'll get back to this in the defense of Caly, but saying this to any friend is a big no-no. So, let's end this part finally and head into the epilogue, shall we?
Now, with her heart shattered into pieces, Caly runs away from Froaklin and into the open arms of her fellow teammates. As Froaklin turns around, he could see that all of her friends starred at him, an only him, with eyes of pure hatred (think of the Luigi Death Stare, but 4 times as deadly). Knowing that he finally has some piece and quiet, he sat alone and thought of what he's done. Suddenly, he heard rustling in the grass and thought it was Caly returning for another chance to calm him, even with the fact that he clearly doesn't want to be friends with her anymore. "How many times do I gotta-" he began, then stopped to see that it wasn't Caly, but a worrisome Ivysaur named Hibiscus, one of his teammates, instead. She reassures him that she hasn't come to speak, but to just sit next to him. Knowing that she didn't come for more trouble, and the fact that he doesn't want to hurt anyone else's feelings today, he just simply agreed and let them both sit in silence.
FINALLY!!! I'M FINISHED WITH FROAKLIN'S POINT OF VIEW IN ALL OF THIS!!! Which means I now have to start of over again telling what happens in Caly's point of view and explain why Froaklin is in the wrong, as well! But not right now, considering the fact that I wrote all of this for 3 and a half hours in one sitting!!! It's 3:40 a.m... and I need to sleep... Till next time! (I feel like I could sleep the whole day...)
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TePablo05 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2017  Student Filmographer
Welp, I woke up to find that I said "lick" instead of  "like" in the 6th paragraph... Great...
Also, not feeling up for Caly's point of view right now, but when I'm done with college for today, I'll be back on this. So, until then, Ciao!
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Icestar419 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
Im more pissed off at Hibi for taking her chance to get all up on Froaklin 
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ArchangelWings Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think Caly definitely should have been more aware of how Froaklin wasn't in the mood to talk, but Froaklin's reaction to someone just trying to help absolutely uncalled for. I get that when emotionally distressed, people lash out, but it doesn't matter how angry Froaklin was; he needs to control himself. Telling her to "fuck off" and walking away, might have gotten the message across (idk maybe it wouldn't have) without saying even worse, hurtful things.

I feel bad for Froaklin, but I feel worse for Caly.
Get some therapy or something. 
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Lilacuity Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2017  Student Filmographer
Angry frog man
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ClT-Courtney Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i rlly dont see how ppl are saying caly deserved it or she pushed too far. like yeah, he did warn her but that doesnt really excuse him lashing out on her like that? that could rlly ruin a person's self esteem. don't get me wrong, i love froaklin but he really did not need to do that.
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AbsoluteNerd10099 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I honestly agree. While Caly could have had a better approach, she was really nice about it. It wasn't like she was nagging him or anything or saying rude things to make him talk. While i see why Froaklin was mad, i'm more on Caly with this.
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Raumlos Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
    She definitely pushed too hard, but in Caly's defense Froaklin tends to threaten her yet never directly lashes out?? So while he warned her, she didn't realize how serious he was in the situation. They're both definitely wrong, no doubt on that, but it's really understandable on both sides, truthfully it was just a misunderstanding on both ends.
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luccario8 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017
If u poke a beehive, u get stung.
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mi-spark Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student Filmographer
so i see u read this pokecomic as well B)
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luccario8 Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2017
We should make a list by now really, to help keep the running memetheme going~
you read nuzlocke on ice? :3c
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mi-spark Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2017  Student Filmographer
nah, never heard of it. o.o the title sounds like that one anime w too much attention |D;

okay:
- Random Doom
- Myths of Unova
- NuzRea
- victory fire (i think?)
- what am i forgetting lol
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RoseLoverOfPastels Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017
Tbh Carly kinda had it coming. He warned her and told her he didn't wanna talk but she kept pushing.
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VeganEmpress Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think they were both wrong, but at the same time what Froaklin did was uncalled for.

Caly shouldn't have been so pushy, you can't force someone to talk if they don't want to talk, but her intentions were good and she was trying to help him. However, Froaklin did go way to far, I understand he was hurt and emotional but it doesn't really excuse what he did. 
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Ravstarr Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student General Artist
I think they were Both wrong on quite a couple points.

Caly knows Froaklin isn't the nicest person. he often will made rude or stand-offish remarks, it isn't a new concept in his character, he's been like that since she met him.
He was visabley upset from being replaced, and probably felt he never mattered to Sycamore in the first place. I hope we get some more backstory with him and Sycamore, so we the readers get a brand new understanding from where Froaklin is coming from.
While yes, he was incredibly rude, insensitive, and over the top in his reactions, he's justified and feeling that way. it hurt, and people take emotional pain completely differently then physical pain. He wanted to be alone, so He used some things Caly is probably self conscious about and hit home hard for her. could Froaklin approached that differently? totally. he's going to take a good while to get her to not only trust him again but be able to talk with her again without her teammates whoopin him for it.

But Caly isn't the innocent little snowflake in this either. she poked the bear, even when the bear was roaring and easy to see was agitated. she pushed and pushed. we've seen her do this with different things in the past with him, and while he ignored her those times, she was pushing on the wrong buttons this time. people react in different ways, and she wasn't respecting his wishes to be left alone when he was telling her to, so he said some things to shake her up, it got what he wanted though, to be left alone in silence.
Her seeing Hibiscus comforting him in silence and her look at the end says it all. she's shaken up by his words, upset she couldn't help him and he turned on her, and even more upset Hibiscus was yelled at in the same way.

Both characters definitely have some growth needed for both of them. Caly needs to learn to read people better, when to be pushy, and when to back up and give the space people need. not everyone reacts well to being prodded, and while yes, she learned the hard way with this, I hope it does kind of start to give her that realization.
Froaklin on the other hand, needs to cool down like he was doing on the last scene, and approach Caly with a clearer, less upset mind. he needs to own up to his mistake, and both need to apologize to each other if any hope for them just even being friends is to continue. Froaklin needs to apologize for going off on Caly, Caly needs to apologize for not respecting Froaklin's wishes and prodding for answers too much.

Love the characters in this, and can't wait for more! 
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CometStarfall Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017
The way I see it is that it's all for his eventually (further) development. So yeah, I don't think anybody wants to see a French frog curse at another frog, but if it's part of his character and it leads to him learning something from it, than yeah, it'll happen.
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RainbowWingGale Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student Digital Artist
id say they were both in the wrong
i think she was somewhat aware that froaklin was not all sunshine and rainbows and just kinda ignored it
she pushed and pushed until everything spilled
froaklin might have been in the heat of the moment but he was a little over the line
i don't really blame him for yelling but he should have been a bit more gentle
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RedPhyrex Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Good intentions working at cross purposes.

Froaklin wanted to be left alone and he made that very clear, but Caly was determined to press the issue.  Overreaction from Froaklin in response...but that's how these things tend to go.
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qnerdi Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
I mostly feel like saying Caly was "in the wrong" (though accurate) is kinda harsh on her side. Understanding that she just wanted to help Froaklin and had good intentions, it's really hard to view Froaklin's reaction as totally deserved. He took it to a pretty personal level than if he had just yelled "I don't want to fucking talk to you" at her. She still might have cried over being yelled at, but I don't think it would have been as bad as taking personal jabs at her.

But I do get where Froaklin's coming from, as someone who usually prefers to deal with my own shit alone than bring it to others. I'm different in that I usually open up if others ask, but for the most part, if I don't bring it up and there's nothing I can do to change it (like being replaced by a turtle-), then I don't want to talk about it and making me talk about it makes me feel more anxious, more stressed, and possibly more upset in general depending on how the other person reacts to what is bothering me. I can understand that Froaklin prefers to deal with his feelings on his own, and he's clearly not strictly opposed to company as shown by letting Hibiscus just sit with him and kind of comfort him indirectly. Talking about it is good, but it's not absolutely necessary and it's not the only way to make someone feel better and Caly should probably be told that.

whispers also I don't think Froaklin needs "redemption" from this or that it makes him The Villain. Two characters don't have to be on the best terms, even if one is completely innocent and well-meaning. He should give an apology if he and Caly do intend to be actual friends at some point, sure; I don't think you can go so hard on a possible friend like that without at least apologizing. But Caly should probably give one too for pushing him in a sore moment after he explicitly said "No, I don't want to talk," even with good intentions.

TL;DR: Froaklin isn't wrong for having an outburst, he's just kind of a dick for getting so personal about it in a heated moment. Caly isn't wrong for wanting to help, but she needs to learn when to stop pushing - if someone doesn't want to talk, you can't make them talk.
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Dadjoke-Ness Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Froaklin was harsh, but Caly definitely pushed him way too far.

He was upset, and understandably so. But for him, he needs alone / quiet time when upset, as a lot of people do. Hibiscus got it, and just went to sit near him in silence, which is what he'd need in a friend at that moment.

Caly...she's more of an extroverted "talk about your feelings" kinda person, and one of their mutual friends should have stopped her but they didn't. Or at least talked to her after about how she pushed him the wrong way and he snapped, instead of just blaming him (they should be able to see froaklin was upset, and then even more upset after yelling)

Froaklin, as bad as it might sound, probably wasn't in a good mindset to tell anyone to back off kindly. He's just been told he was replaced, and such a short time after he left. And he might even know somewhere inside himself that the squirtle can help the professor in a way he can't, because froaklin himself can't mega evolve (as far as we know).

Since I know I've yelled at people the exact same way when upset, I can't really blame Froaklin as much as others. He probably already regrets snapping, but he's too prideful to say anything and even more upset now because everyone is mad at him, and because he hurt someone. 

Let Froaklin have quiet 2017
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caffeekat Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Froaklin did somenthing mean, but i think Caly shouldn't have pushed so far...?
i guess Hibiscus had the best attitude. just sit and be there if he wants to talk
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DesireeWolfe001 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student Digital Artist
Here's my thoughts:
Froaklin wasn't exactly right or even close to justified for what he did, but... I get it. Sometimes it's hard to keep it together when you're that upset, especially when you're a fairly hot-headed person. He's a rarer type of individual that is a lot more complex and difficult to help than Caly really understands, because he so far works differently than all the others. I do respect and love her for trying and her heart really was in the right place. Unfortunately, she didn't really understand how to handle it and ended up getting the worst possible reaction out of him, whereas Hibiscus who did understand got the best possible reaction. I don't think she pushed him too far (since I don't see why it's wrong to ask once or twice. She didn't pester him nearly as much as she should have to have "pushed him too far") but again just didn't understand. I don't think Froaklin is beyond caring about her feelings, either. He actually looked like he felt bad about it immediately after she ran back to the others. So... Yes, Froaklin was an ass about it and shouldn't have yelled at her like that because she was just trying to help, but I also think Caly has a little learning/growing to do before she can make any progress with him. I honestly think it was kind of necessary for the sake of character development. Caly can learn how to better help others and even respect boundaries when the person clearly doesn't want them overstepped, Froaklin can learn that his actions can really hurt the people around him and come to understand that the others' feelings matter, too.
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coldfire323 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017
No one should ever, ever talk to another person like that. Do I understand why he did it? Sure! Do I condone it? Noooo00000OOO0o0o0oo.

But tbh I love the drama so
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AColoredSharpy Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ditto of Multiworx's comment.
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Ardomew Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist
It was... painful to read. All Caly wanted was to show Froaklin a little support and love, and he just tore her heart to pieces! I understand that this is the direction you're taking your story, and maybe we'll see some redemption from Froaklin in the near future, but at this moment all I can feel is contempt for that degenerate.
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Yurio-nice Featured By Owner Edited Oct 7, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Caly was just trying to be nice and make Froaklin feel better, but she did push him and he's probably been through a lot and doesn't want to talk about it. What Froaklin did was mean but i totally understand. I do feel bad for her tho, but actually i feel even worse for Froaklin, something must've really hurt him.
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Multiworx Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017  Student General Artist
Now to be fair, while froaklin did do something pretty mean I don't think it was "out of character" or anything. Froaklin's buttons have been pushed before, and I guess hearing that he got replaced was the final straw. (By the freakin squirtle who I thought was gonna get ignored no less) And from what we know of Froaklin, he knows that he can hurt people aside from just taunting them, and judging from his final expression after Caly tried to talk to him, I honestly think he's going to take a step back and maybe REFLECT for once.
And, I actually think it even highlights a character flaw of Caly, and that's that while she tries to be like Hibiscus, Caly is still a child AND knows absolutely nothing about how Froaklin works. Hibiscus actually does, and that's why she can get closer to Froaklin at the end of the comic. And her final expression, while sad, I can't say it looks like anyone who has given up, makes me thing she's trying to learn abit as she's trying to wipe away tears and just watch what Hibiscus is doing. Not to mention, it can be argued that the two are meant to parallel eachother since the way both are presented are very similar.

So, my conclusions. No, the fight was not bad nor did I really think anyone was "wrong," but rather I think that both characters needed to have that fight in order for better development. (I mean, the cracks of Froaklin breaking his shell were already there, but I'm not going to lie Caly really hasn't gotten that much development aside from her mom incident)






...Unless there's Calin shippers out there who want the show on the road, in which case ALL OF THIS ARGUMENT IS VOID.
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FlinchTheSeagull Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2017
I think that Froaklin did something pretty mean and rude and should have realized she was just trying to help. But at the same time, Caly should have realized that by now he didn't want her help and she should have just backed off... Or done what Hibiscus did and just kinda sit there and let him cool off
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