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Ohtar Noldorinwa (Noldorin Soldier)

Nightfall. Aman is covered in darkness, the Trees are gone. FŽanorians are approaching AlqualondŽ...


Noldorin soldier, one of those who followed FŽanor into exile.
Noldor, the greatest of the Elves in matters of lore and craft.
Craftsmen, loremasters, rebellers, kinslayers...
Noldor
Blood is on your hands
Your bane's
A tearful destiny


Noldor (Dead Winter Reigns) by Blind Guardian


FŽanor and Noldor are characters form The Silmarillion © J. R. R. Tolkien.

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Ephaistien Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He has such a beautiful helmet!
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2017   Digital Artist
Thank you! A really old piece, I've got sentiment to it.
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Ephaistien Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
my pleasure,dear!
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Toraach Featured By Owner Edited Sep 13, 2015
Hełm koryncki moim zdaniem pasuje do Noldorów, a najbardziej wśród nich do Feanorian. Aczkolwiek ja osobiście sobie wyobrażam ich w bardziej zabudowanej osłonie twarzy. Oraz osłonami policzków zakończonymi bardziej szpiczasto.
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2016   Digital Artist
Ja ich sobie dziś wyobrażam w rzymskich hełmach - podczas wyjścia z Amanu, ale hełm koryncki to też świetny pomysł. Aczkolwiek nie wiem czy Feanor nie znając tak naprawdę niebezpieczeństw Śródziemia, poza opowieściami "starców", uznał, że aż tak zabudowana osłona jest potrzebna. Zakładam, że Noldorowie wyruszyli lekko uzbrojeni, za to błędnie przeświadczeni o swojej mocy i niezniszczalności. Musieli się dozbroić, jak już poznali co oznacza przetrwanie w Śródziemiu. To jest staruteńka praca, powstała zanim się nad tym zastanowiłam, ale nadal się wpisuje w aktualny obraz.
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Toraach Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2017
Zawsze potem w Beleriadzie mogli się dopancerzyć :) 
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Edited Feb 16, 2017   Digital Artist
Ja myślę, że musieli. Zakładam, że Maedhros się naoglądał w lochach Angabndu jak się można uzbroić, nowinek technicznych, czego się po wrogu spodziewać i przed czym zabezpieczyć. Musiały powstać nowe zbroje. Nie wiem czy JRRT by się ze mną zgodził, pozostawił raczej wzmianki o kolczugach, ale w "mojej książce" Noldorowie robią upgrade blach już na miejscu ;)
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Toraach Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2017
W moim fanfiku, to czysta płyta była rzadko używana. Kolczuga jest w sumie dość wygodną zbroją, daje dobrą ochronę. Jedynie noldorska elita nosiła płytowe kirysy. 

Tolkien nie dał nam zbyt wielu szczegółów dotyczących wielu rzeczy, to myślę, że można spokojnie sobie powymyślać je. Byleby pozostać zgodnym z duchem Śródziemia, a nie orkowie z uzi, czy czarni elfowie. 
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PeGe90 Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is beautiful.. Makes me wanna read the kinslaying of Alqualonde from Silmarillion yet again. Or rather read the whole book:P Do you know more Quenya than this by the way?
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2008   Digital Artist
Hantalë :thanks: Read the whole Quenta Silmarillion then ;) I don't know Quenya at all, except some common sentences and words, this I got from the page linked in description. But recently I've red this translation isn't accurate.
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PeGe90 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, now that I actually paid attention to it, it looks a bit weird. If that -in- doesn't have any other uses, it would have both dative and possessive endings there:P Genitive case would be better for saying that the warrior is of Noldorin origin. Would be something like Noldoron or Noldon I think. I would use Noldoron myself. If you want to see for yourself, ardalambion has a great course of the ancient tongue:)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008   Digital Artist
Oh, the name of the image has been translated correctly, I was talking about the translation of the Oath by Milan Rezac linked in the description. The warrior on my image is of Noldorin origin but what matters here is not if he is a Noldo but if he fights on the side of Noldor. I believe that is what the name says - one of Noldorin soldiers.
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PeGe90 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh right. But since the dative ending already tells he's "a warrior for the Noldor" isn't the other ending (meaning that he is physically owned by the elves, like a book or a pen would be) still too much? And if I'm not mistaken, the ones approaching Alqualondë were all Noldor, were they?
I haven't read the oath that carefully though, so I don't know about that.:)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008   Digital Artist
Almost all Noldor - except some Vanyar among them, like Turgon's wife (and perhaps unknown Telerin descendants never mentioned in the books ;) ). Regarding endings - sorry, I don't understand, as I said I don't learn nor speak Quenya, could you do it on example?
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PeGe90 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lets take a familiar example then. ohtar means warrior and Noldo (plural Noldor) is, well, a Noldo. Now, by adding the plural dative ending -in to it we get Ohtar Noldorin "a warrior *for* the Noldor. The ending basically means "for" or "to". Possesive ending -va (-wa on nouns ending in a consonant) on the other hand is used to tell that something is owned or is a part of something. Ohtar Noldorwa would then either mean that the warrior is a slave or something to his master, or that the warrior is part of the Noldor physically, which doesn't quite make sense.
I hope that helps.:P That doesn't look very clear though, that explanation of mine.:D
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nightgraue Featured By Owner May 30, 2008
I love this piece. It has some quite strength/intensity.
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2008   Digital Artist
Thank you :)
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MysticalMike Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2007
piękno światła może być podziwiane w szatach nocy
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2007   Digital Artist
Przepięknie powiedziane :)
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DaoTae Featured By Owner May 27, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
Hey, glad to see you here...) Internet is really small-first on Epi, then on pixelbrush now here. Yep, more, more elves please :)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 27, 2007   Digital Artist
Hi! Internet really is a small place :D Have seen your drow on PB, it's coming out well :thumbsup:
There should be more of them soon, just if I have found out the magical way to step from endless WIPs stage :XD:
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DaoTae Featured By Owner May 27, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
Yep, the same here-too much wip-s...) But nevertheless, we are just studying, aren't we? So we'll find this magical way, I'm sure... At least, I hope :lol:
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 30, 2007   Digital Artist
I hope, too :fingerscrossed:
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LostSiren Featured By Owner May 26, 2007   Photographer
I keep hoping and waiting for Jackson to film this story...tis one of my favorite Tolkien books! Great job, love those eyes! :+fav:
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 27, 2007   Digital Artist
Thank you :)

But,no, no, no - not Peter Jackson! R. Scott, B. Bertolucci, F. Coppola, O. Stone, Zhang Yimou, Mel Gibson or Ang Lee. PJ is good for funny movies, Silmarillion isn't one. This is tragedy and should be filmed in a serious way. And I would have died if I saw my fav elves mutilated the way he presented them in LotR - nice if I don't rememeber they supposed to be Eldar.
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BalduranDeArnise Featured By Owner May 26, 2007
Pogratulować wrzucenia do klubu Elves - lepiej późno niż wcale :XD:
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 27, 2007   Digital Artist
Ah, to weszło wkońcu ;) Kiedyś było tylko na liście w dzienniku, bo nie robili wtedy galerii jak teraz.
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Cunninghan Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2006
Podobają mi się oczy, zbroja a przede wszystkim swiatło! +fav
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2006   Digital Artist
Dziekuje :)
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aautio Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2005
Very nice.. I like the limited colour scheme and those bright eyes are really well done. I also like the helmet design, quite classical Greek hoplite type.. Clear, elegant lines are very fitting for elven armour :nod:
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2005   Digital Artist
Thank you! :)
Lately I try to find out more elven style of armor, but the same time try to not copy the movie designs. Though hard to do something original in that matter.
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aautio Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2005
Yeah, quite true.. I've always had trouble thinking elven armour as simple chainmail or heavy knight's armour. The movie designs have affected my ideas, i think.. but i've also tried to keep doing something that's clearly different from those.
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2005   Digital Artist
I would see Noldor in heavy armor, but the only information in text tell of chain mails or 'shiny' armor. Though I guess we can have a little fantasy on that field. The movie designs are great, though too light for my Noldor (too much materials flying around as well). My Noldor are strong and not moving backward, they dance in armor less than Sindar, to take it less literally. So I need to combine some way the light movie designs with stubborn, tough Noldor. I really like Bejarano's designs in that matter [link] and your Noldorin sword's design is also great. Plus beautiful sword cover your Fingolfin has got fighting Morgoth (another set of nice armor) :thumbsup:
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aautio Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2005
I agree with your vision of their unbreakable determination and that they must've had full suits of heavy armour, but not like the usual tin can design.. My vision (that i'm still working on..) is fine scale mail + flexible plate which allows good movement and protection, like the suit i drew for Fingolfin. Glad to hear you like it. :)

Those designs by Bejerano look wonderful, thanks again -- you are a great source of information, so really well aware of all Tolkien illustrations you seem to be! :D
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2005   Digital Artist
Oh, I just collect them arund the web, freak ;) I like the helmets he designedand shields. But helmets the most.

"fine scale mail + flexible plate" - I guess I understand, but have to take a look anyway, I'm not that keen on armor names. My current design is too heavy - I used full plate armor image as example, but actually didn't catch it was calvary armor :rofl: So my Noldor in armor is heavy, has got too short sword and too big shield and probably will finish as Gondorian calvary knight ;) [on the other image, not here].
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aautio Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2005
:XD:

I agree, those helmets are great.. i like the same basic design that gets the more elaborated the higher ranking the wearer.

And reading my own text again i realise that "flexible plate" sounds just wrong.. i didn't mean the armour plates themselves to be flexible -- perhaps "segmented lamellar plate allowing flexible movement" is closer to what i meant. That would be worn over a full coat of mail (a haubergon + brassards and greaves) made of tiny metal scales. Often the just the scale mail haubergon would be worn while travelling and the full plate suit equipped only for battle.
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haydn2 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2005
świetny, naprawdę świetny ... odrazu widać że to Noldor... hahaha
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2005   Digital Artist
Dziekuje 8-)
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shar-vampire Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2005
wow, i like tolkien:)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2005   Digital Artist
:D
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Dunadan-from-Bag-End Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2005  Hobbyist Photographer
hmm... ciekawy pomysl. Ale dla mnie troche za brodzo rozprasza uwage.
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2005   Digital Artist
IMHO najlepsze z zestawien. Pojedynczy portret jakos lyso wygladal, a raczej - nie moglam sie zdecydowac, ktory wybrac. Teraz sa wszystkie 3 razem i nie zajmuja za duzej przestrzeni ;)

Ale przy okazji odbilam go poziomo i dopiero sie zosrientowalam, jak jets krzywy... Przemaluje toto calkowicie, z czasem. Tej wersji juz poprawiac nie bede, nowa dostanie lepsze tlo i zbroje, tylko sie podszkole. Kurcze, musze pamietac, by sprawdzac w odbiciu poprawnosc rysunkow, szkoda, ze dopiero niedawno to odkrylam.
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Dunadan-from-Bag-End Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2005  Hobbyist Photographer
Hmm... ja jednak dalej bede obstawal przy swoim :D podobala mi sie ta symetria. Teraz mam wrazenie ze wszystko sie troche rozbiega... sproboj ustawic wszystkie obrazki z jednej strony :)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2005   Digital Artist
Z jednej strony? Ten ostatni po prawej to odbicie lewej czesci twarzy z 'jasno niebieskiego' obrazka (tego trzeciego). Wlasnie mialam nie juz ruszac tego obrazka, ale jednak otworze to raz jeszcze i poprawie helm, bo nie moge na to patrzec odkad odkrylam krzywizny :devilish:
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RoseImmortal Featured By Owner May 21, 2005
AAAAH, I love Nightfall in Middle Earth !!! Always great to run into more Guardian fans! Have you joined ~ guardianoftheblind yet?

I'm afraid I still haven't had much time to read the Silmarillion proper, so thank you for the link explaining about them. In fact, that explains the whole album a LOT better.

As for the drawing itself, I enjoy it, especially the resolute eyes.
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 21, 2005   Digital Artist
I'm glad you like the drawing :)

NiME is great album, I love especially the quoted song. I've been to the club's site, but haven't joined. Perhaps I will someday :)

Read Silmarillion one day, brief history of Noldor in I and II age :thumbsup: The book is quite tough at first glance, but it's really interesting.
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RoseImmortal Featured By Owner May 21, 2005
I have started with the book...but a lot of work-type stuff has been getting in the way. :-( I'm actually enjoying it so far; I just wish I had more time to dedicate to it.

My personal favorites on that album are "Blood Tears" and "Thorn", but I do like the rest of it as well. :-)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 22, 2005   Digital Artist
'Blood Tears' are one of my favorities, too :) At the moment the best are 'Noldor' (it's probably forever), 'Battle of Sudden Flame', 'Time Stands still' and the 'Curse of FŽanor'. But it changes, mostly with fan fiction and fan art of Tolkien works fandom ;)
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RoseImmortal Featured By Owner May 22, 2005
"Noldor" is cool, too...and "Time Stands Still" is amazing live! ;-)
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Sirielle Featured By Owner May 22, 2005   Digital Artist
Yup, it's great, but I miss his the Fingolfin - Morgoth dialogue style from the Lp version :) Most fantastic BG's live song for me is 'Mordred's Song' :love: I love this one! 9Version from the 'Live' album). And there live song from NiME - 'Mirror Mirror' rocks :D
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