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So What Are We Arguing About
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Of course, I am not simply referring to homosexuality and all that applies to that particular lifestyle. I am also referring to lifestyles lead by strippers, prostitutes (though there are certain unfortunate reasons that put some of those poor people in that position, but I'm not referring to those precisely), Incestuous couples, and people that either sleep around with multiple partners or just sleep with one lover at a time until they get married. There are others but this is all that I can think of at the top of my head.
No, I don't like the way you guys live your lives. No I do not have to accept the way you live your lives. I can tolerate it, sure, but I'm not going to vote for something that is against my moral convictions whether I am religious or not.
With that being said, this does NOT give either side an excuse to treat each other like the scum of the earth. Contrary to popular belief, not every Christian (or Abrahamic based religion) wants homosexuals and other sinners to burn in the fiery pits of hell. What is said about Hitler need not apply here (lol). But that is not the point of Christianity. Christianity is a lifestyle of modesty, in reality, and not a lifestyle that alienates people from the world. Sadly, many people treat it like that. It is also not a lifestyle based solely on blind love as some Christians try to make it. It is a lifestyle of reason, deep philosophical thinkers that merely want to understand the universe that God has created for us to observe. Due to the way many of my constituents act, I can understand how hard this is to accept, but may I link you to at least one church website (with audio and notes on pdf) to show you? [link]
I'm not trying to convert anyone, I just simply want you to understand that not every Sunday church goer listens to "sermons" or "preachers". Some of us love teachers too. :)

Now, I am also very much aware of the fact that there are people in the non-christian (and chrisitian) community who live a lifestyle that I don't agree with. As for Christians, all I can say is that you know what the Lord says about certain things and that, ultimately, it is between you and God. All I can do is encourage you and, maybe even, exhort you lovingly. But, even so, you are brothers and sisters in Christ even if you don't follow His walk completely. So long as you believe and trust that Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again from the grave three days later and that he is, not just the son of God, but also God himself, I will see you in heaven. Those of you who are not Christians and live the lifestyles that I do not agree with please understand that I do not hate you. I understand that me not thinking or accepting you for who you are seems as a slight against everyone who is like you, but its not. I don't like or agree with everyone listening to pop music. I think communism is moronic. I disagree with a lot of things that people like, but I don't hate the people who think that way.

So, what I'm trying to say is, Christians: stop acting like stark raving lunatics. You have no reason to unless there is some serious hurt going on from the other side (like if gay rights activists go into a Chick-fil-a restaurant and vandalize and insult and hurt the innocent employees *Do not deny that this happened there are too many witnesses*). Respond to them, but don't react. Reacting isn't always the best thing to do. Others: stop acting like the world revolves around you (and I can say this to Christians too, so both sides take a look at both of my addresses) and your lifestyle. If each of you puts aside your differences and talk you might actually be able to civilly discuss your matters without the kicking and screaming.

Thank you and good day.
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Pfff bitch please. We all know you want to either force gay people to be straight or lock them up, out of sight from the rest of you normal holy Christian folk. Just admit it so we can get on with our lives, please. 
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Being attracted to the same gender isn't a lifestyle, it's just a part of who someone is, and it isn't changeable.
Please shove your homophobic nonsense up your arse.
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homosexuality comes from emotional and spiritual brokenness, and is changeable- at least from a Christian stand-point.
not here to debate since i'm going inactive but you gotta realize that from different stand-points these things look different, because christians see homosexuality as a sin we see it as a life-style since you're living in the sin.
because you aren't christian you don't see it that way, we aren't being homophobic. We're just speaking from our stand-point.
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Everything you just said is wrong. Are you living in an alternate reality? 
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fuck off and suck some major dick
sincerely, Big Fag
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that's unnecessary
regardless i hope you have a good day
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I hope your "good" days stop happening until you stop calling gay people broken 
please grow some human decency, or in the unfortunate event that isn't possible, cease breathing!
xoxo
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i'm not saying gay people are broken as a whole, they usually have something going on which lets this stuff come through which was what i was trying to say
you obviously took it the wrong way
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dude holy shit, how fucking homophobic can you be? any fucking flying spaghetti monster you can worship cannot be an excuse for this. 
gay people are not broken. there is LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH GAY PEOPLE. we are human too dude! we're human people! whole human people!
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Okay, I bolded usually for a reason. 

I'm aware that you're people ! I'm not saying gay people are any less than a straight person or whatever, i'm just saying that homosexuality is a sin according to my religion.
It's okay that you're gay, it's okay that you don't believe in what I believe.
It's your decision and I respect that. 

All that I was trying to say is that to a lot of christians they see it as a lifestyle, I know that it's not a lifestyle to you and to be honest I don't call it a lifestyle it's literally just a sexuality.
I just don't want you to think that people who call it a lifestyle are homophobic because they really aren't, they just call it a lifestyle because that's how they view sin.

and before you curse me out again, no i'm not saying that no christian is homophobic. I know that homophobic christians exist 
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I wasn't jealous before we met
Now every woman I see is a potential threat
And I'm possessive, it isn't nice
You've heard me saying that smoking was my only vice
But now it isn't true
Now everything is new
And all I've learned has overturned
I beg of you
Don't go wasting your emotion
Lay all your love on me
It was like shooting a sitting duck
A little small talk, a smile and baby I was stuck
I still don't know what you've done with me
A grown-up woman should never fall so easily
I feel a kind of fear
When I don't have you near
Unsatisfied, I skip my pride
I beg you dear
Don't go wasting your emotion
Lay all your love on me
Don't go sharing your devotion
Lay all your love on me
I've had a few little love affairs
They didn't last very long and they've been pretty scarce
I used to think that was sensible
It makes the truth even more incomprehensible
'Cause everything is new
And everything is you
And all I've learned has overturned
What can I do
Don't go wasting your emotion
Lay all your love on me
Don't go sharing your devotion
Lay all your love on me
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You're very right. I'm sorry so many people misinderstood you... :hug:
Thank you for being brave and sharing this messege. It's important, overlooked, and quickly judged. People don't realize that we are genuine in that statement and they go and do to us what they think we do to them (but actually don't do to them) xO
Stay strong and never stop sharing God's love and truth :'3
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You do realize that "disagreeing with homosexuality" usually comes along with a willingness to revoke or restrict gay people's civil rights, right? 


...right? 
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I do understand that a lot of people do that, but this is talking about one on one interaction and how you treat the person. I strongly disagree with homosexuallity, but I have gay and bi friends. I don't look at them in disgust or treat them differently. They are people that deserve to be loved, as God loves all His children ^w^

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Okay then, what if your gay friends show up to a party with their lovers, and their lovers just happen to chat you up? Odds are you're gonna feel ultra uncomfortable because you don't "agree" with their sexuality, and despite your intentions to the contrary, you'll treat them differently because they're gay. 
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Very true, I'm not saying I wouldn't be in some discomfort. Being loving is not always easy so also as you say it may be a little different at first, but remembering how God loved me despite my discomforting personality and even family too! I was treated different and uncomfortably back then, but they still loved me and I knew it. Even though people in my life that hated and abused me make it 'uncomfortable', I always seek loving on them. The same goes for any people that are disabled, cruel, and of other sexual orientation. I don't agree with people who are abusers or haters or drunks or trans or gay or go against the way God made them to be. The last thing I would do is hate on them. All people deserve love, even if their choices aren't for the best or if they are just born different.

Hope this clears up what I mean ^^;

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Dude, I get your point, but the point is that it's wrong to brand someone who's trans or gay a sinner just because they happen to be trans or gay. The fact that it's sortof loosely condemned in the bible doesn't mean you can go around acting as if trans people are inherently inferior or chose to be that way. Your opinion is not fact. 
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Well, for one, no one should view another as inferior in any way. I don't because God loves all His children equally and also all sin is equal. And we are all sinners in one way or another. So no one is inferior to the other. It's sad that some people do act that others are lesser, but that is not how it should be and not how I am.
Secondly, the bible actually points out on several occassions that being in a same-sex relationship is wrong and sinful. It defies the way God made us to love and unite relationally. We aren't to go against the way God has created us. That's the same as committing any other sin. I feel that too many have pressured others to accept same-sex relations and gender changes as 'okay' and have caused a confusion in what it really means. I've seen numerous arguments where they twist bible verses and the others' words in order to demonstrate that gays are superior to straights and that it's okay and not sinful. Then they turn aroubd and say that's how we treat them when in actuality, most christians (yes, there's always the few extreme and contradictory cases...but tgat occurs in any situation such as this) live as this stamp says: to be loving and kind to their neighbors, to support the person not the sin, and to help in any way they can. That's how I live too.
Just because a theif says stealing is okay and forces others to comply to that idea, does not make it right or true. That is how all sin is. Lying can be deemed by some as fine to do when done tastefully, but lying is still a sin. Same goes with defying how God has created us to be...and that's fact, not opinion.
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Except being gay is not objectively wrong and the bible is not a moral code by which everyone should live their lives. If you're going to go around telling gay and trans people you "disagree with their lifestyle" (it's not a lifestyle by the way, despite your opinions) then you could at least realize that not everyone agrees with you, and that there's nothing objectively wrong about being gay or trans, nor is there anything wrong with treating a trans person as if they're the gender they say they are or treating gays and lesbians as if their relationships are just as valid as straight people. 

Are you really being "kind" to LGBT people when you tell them that who they are is as bad a sin as murder or adultery? Are you? Or are you just voicing your own prejudices and using the bible as a shield? 
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sorry i think straight people are gross because in the bible it created adam and steve, not adam and eve. god gave us the gift of being gay and by being straight goes against god's wishes. you must repent for being a heterosexual or you will succumb to the fires of hell for your sin. ill send a prayer to the lord and saviour the son of our god jesus christ to rid of your sin. Pray God Loves Gay People icon 
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please go to a church to accept jesus into your sinful soul, amen brother!

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I fucking love this comment :'D 
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yes you do, idiot.
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Yes you do.
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