EDIT: So I did get a response from the equine group, and basically they said the pictures were boring, dull, or the horses's eye looked "dead"?
Uhm...ok. Well I don't agree of course, but I just found that not really to be a critique of any fair value but rather just one's nose-in-the-air opinion. Sorry, but it just comes across that way to me. Ah well...like I mentioned below I'm not holding grudges and I don't even really care what they think anymore, but now it just kind of amuses me actually....
The poor horse, calling his eye "dead"...and he's such a pretty horse, too...
I felt a strong need to post this journal, but please if you disagree about anything I don't mind your commenting and stating as such, just please remember to be kind...there is nothing that irks me more than trolls or snobs or people who like to post rude comments because they are amused by other's reactions. Still, a friendly debate is always welcome.
ANYWAY, here's my mild rant...well not really even a rant
persay, more of a confusion.
I decided to try out another higher-end group simply because I feel I've improved quite a bit over the past year or so, so I submitted one of my recent and favorite horse photos called "Play the Chase".
And this nice group accepted it!
They are called
and indeed, there is some very nice photos in this group.
But then I tried this equine group called
and I smiled at all the nice horse art...looked like a good group and the rules seemed fair enough. IN fact I really liked the part where they say that pictures don't have to be 100% sharp because softness can be part of the effect, etc.
So...they declined the above picture, AND another one I submitted (you can only do 2 a week I think) "To Live is To Jump"
What I don't understand is why, I received no explanation, I guess they don't bother unless you ask...but I won't ask because frankly, I doubt I'd like the answer. I got that first photo also declined by another group (that I won't mention for a few reasons) THAT INVITED ME to their group and the explanation was some stupid thing like "The second horse could be showing more in the shot, etc..." But well who can time things that perfectly? And what says the horse being more behind doesn't actually add to the composition, by making it look like he's sneaking up behind the grey one? See they didn't reject it for clarity, color, exposure, or anything like that....just because one person (or possibly more, I don't know) had the opinion, and I use that word strongly opinion
, that the 2nd horse could have shown more but mind you, that wasn't the whole point of the photo! The focus was on the first horse and was supposed to convey the feeling of motion and a chase that was starting as the horses began playing. So....that kind of thing irritates me to no end. I know I could have better lenses (not that pro lenses necessarily make better photos but they do help), or that I still have much to learn, sure I do!
But I think I do pretty well as a photographer considering the comments and faves I get, and well....I'm even in the process of selling one of my photos to a company to use in a project involving all kinds of media!
SO...I think that says a lot. I'm by no means bragging, I'm happy about it, but considering the confusing declines by some of these groups it just gets frustrating. I mean if the rules were very specific and I neglected to see one of those rules I'd understand. I even thought the group had some great guidelines and I liked what I saw...and of course I'd only submit my best. A really good example of this is with a great group called
, I get several things declined there (they just let it expire usually which is kind of a good tactic if you think about it) but on the same note I have LOTS of other stuff they did accept in to that group. It doesn't bother me, because I understand the kinds of things they are looking for, and often when one gets declined I realize it really didn't follow the rules well, etc. So I can understand and accept this group's declines, because it's just done in a whole better fashion, and they aren't being elitist snobs (keep in mind the tagline is for HIGH QUALITY reference photos), the Founder even states it's not because it's a bad photo, etc, she just doesn't find it to be a good ref photo or perhaps it's too far away, etc. But all of this is stated in the rules....
Eh, I'm not sure I'm making sense anymore (lol) but I hope you do understand a bit of what I'm talking about here. I'm not here to bash any of the admin of these groups or make personal attacks on anyone, but sometimes I think there's a lot of unfairness going on. I do my very best to be as fair as possible in my own group
and you know what we have over 2k members so I think we've succeeded in that! Occassionally we run into an issue, and I do try to do the best I can, but you know what I had a few people question why they got declined and with a nice, friendly explanation (and it was clearly stated in our RULES) they were accepting of that and stayed with the group. See what I mean? We even put explanations without even being asked most of the time, it helps a lot.
Of course I left the group, there are so many out there that it's really not worth stressing over and there are plenty of communities out there that are decent, fair, and fun so I've learned to just take it as it is without holding a grudge and move on, but...my whole main point to this is....
please judge a photo based on factors like exposure, focus, overall composition, etc....not some nitpicky reason that's more personal opinion then a real fair assessment of someone's talent.
OK, I'm done.