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Mecha-Chomp 3DS Style (animated version below)

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An enemy who has just been ditched in the recent remake. What a shame. They look so cool!
Check out the animated version as well:
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ToxicIsland's avatar
Hey, I did a little inside joke of this in this Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, Super Mario Maker 2 style concept pic:  If Mario and Luigi SSS had a style in SMM2 by ToxicIsland  notice how there's a Blue Mecha-Chomp about to shoot a lazer and a red one as well.
ShyGuyXXL's avatar
Heh, that's cute. ^^
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BTW, what are your thoughts on the new Paper Mario switch game?
ShyGuyXXL's avatar
The exact same thoughts as on the last game:
"It looks marginally better than the last game, but that's not saying much."
It's still clearly suffering from the same creative limitations that were plaguing the last two games. There are still generic characters everywhere. Like, that Bob-Omb, he's clearly a partner, right? He's all over the trailer. But the only thing that distinguishes him from a generic bob-omb is that he doesn't have a fuse. And I'm not even entirely convinced yet that this wasn't just an oversight.
It's clear that they just don't care.
They're gonna make the kind of game they wanna make, and that does not include the kind of anarchic imagination that made the first three games so unforgetable.
ToxicIsland's avatar

I think I might see something that might change your mind about the game a bit: https://imgur.com/a/5yppP1G#QEn4IcV in this screenshot, you can see a Koopa with a mustache and goatee, and a Goomba with an Asian Woman's hairstyle.

ToxicIsland's avatar
So you think Tanabe was the one responsible for bringing back the more humanoid ghost bosses in Luigi's Mansion 3 or someone at Next Level Games?
ShyGuyXXL's avatar
Why him? He was just the producer. The folks at Next Level Games actually seem to listen to their fans, so it was prolly them.
ToxicIsland's avatar
So what if the next Mario RPG were done by Next Level Games? How will the Toads in it look?
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I think another reason they might have cut that enemy is that Chain Chomp are already supposed to be robots due for being metallic so making a mecha-version of a Robot wouldn't make any sense.
You-must-know's avatar

Replacing them with Mechakoopas makes far less sense.

ToxicIsland's avatar

Would you say replacing Mecha-Chomps with Mechakoopas was the decision of the game designers themselves of the higher ups at Nintendo?

You-must-know's avatar

I would say Nintendo. It's a very Nintendo thing to say "Chain Chomps can't be robotic four-legged dogs, take that out".

ToxicIsland's avatar

Not the game devs at Nintendo themselves, but the legal team, who doesn’t even make the games.

You-must-know's avatar

It's less "legal team" and more "brand management division". Nintendo is very strict about how Mario's universe is portrayed now.

ToxicIsland's avatar

Yet, now the have Lumas modified into Rabbid hybrids in Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of hopes.

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But what about the Super Mario-Kun Manga? They seem to have a lot more freedom with what the characters can do here than in the games.

You-must-know's avatar

Not really. Super Mario-kun adapts stories from officially-released games and, as far to my knowledge, doesn't invent any new characters and doesn't have any of the existing characters act wildly different from their in-game counterparts.


And from what I've gathered, within the last 5 years, the series has had less crude humor than it did originally and has made an effort to follow the games more closely.

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They're made of metal. So? A ton of Mario species are made of metal. Bob-ombs, Bullet Bills, Bullies, Fire Chomps, Chuckyas, Amps, etc., but they are all still alive. I mean Bob-ombs are literally just living bombs but they can still have children (like in Paper Mario, see Bub, son of Goldbob). So in the Mario universe it doesn't matter what you're made of.
I mean Thwomps are made of stone and they're alive too. Anything can be alive.
But even IF they were confirmed to be robots, that doesn't mean there couldn't be a more technologically advanced/enhanced version as well.
So either way, stupid reason.
ToxicIsland's avatar
Doesn't Nintendo technically make all the changes for artistical reasons, like when they changed things about Earthbound in MOTHER 3?
ShyGuyXXL's avatar
What changes are you referring to?
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I mean like the fact that MOTHER 3 ditched the modern America RPG setting.
ShyGuyXXL's avatar
The change in setting has a good reason behind it though. The entire story centers around it.
You wouldn't be able to tell the story in a 100% modern setting.
And it's not disconnected from the other games. There's a reason why the setting is the way it is.

So it's not even comparable to removing this enemy. Besides, when has modern Nintendo EVER cared about something like "canon Mario enemy biology"? They can't even agree on whether Toad's mushroom cap is a hat or not. The last Mario Party implied it's a hat while Koizumi recently said it's his head.
They just do whatever they want.
So don't give me any excuses that there's a good reason behind it.
It was simply fucking lazy.
They just thought, "Hey, this old enemy functions similarly enough. Let's just use that instead of putting in the effort to draw and program a new one."
"But won't the fans miss them?"
"Fuck the fans! Our schedule is already tighter than a nun's cunt!"
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I think you might actually be right about time and budget issues now, considering Alphadream just went out of business due for sluggish revenues and the high development costs exceeding overall debt, I mean, imagine how the costs would be if they had the T-Rex from Super Mario Odyssey as one of the enemies in the Bowser Jr's Journey mode in Bowser's Inside Story 3DS.
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It's really tragic that they went out of business. I may have been hard on them for recycling so much of their work, but I can still understand why someone would do it.
Making new sprites from scratch takes a lot of work, and thus money.
Which is why whenever people say something like "They should've made this M&L remake for Switch instead." I always think "You say that as if it were that easy."
A switch game would mean starting everything from scratch. A new engine, new 3D models, animations for everything...

Still, I never thought they'd be so short on funds that they could go bankrupt altogether. I thought they were (at least in large part) funded by Nintendo, who have a ton of money...

Let's hope Nintendo can hire their employees and make a new team or something.
They can't just let the series die! ....can they? :/
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