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Shera as a character, despite being excessively, over the top beautiful, never really captured male attention.  Instead she captured the hearts of young girls by telling them that women too can be awesome! as well as beautiful.

The reboot has gone in a completely different direction.  The flat chested, square jawed design with no eyelashes, or any other hints of femininity, coupled with the body shape of a teenage male, sends a very different message to girls from a visual perspective.  And it's one that seems to think that femininity is a dirty word.

Tell me this shera is not a dude...
www.polygon.com/2018/7/17/1758…


This is not a criticism of a show that has not yet been aired, but of the designs they've chosen.
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:iconkeelan12345:
keelan12345 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2018
ah yes, something i don't care about. since the only thing i care about is this: is it good? if yes, then it's good. if not, then it's bad.
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luistop12 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2018  Student General Artist
I don't think so. they put her a skirt so they are guiding in "gender role" after all
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wrybread Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2018
A controversial topic. And loaded terms like "biased", "hater", & (insert stereotype prefix here)-"phobia" are being tossed around like frag grenades. Keep speakin' out
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EdgyWaFFLeZ Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2018  Student Digital Artist
u a peepee brain...
Peach Peach Peach 
Okay but for real you don't need HUGE bazonkas strapped to her teenage chest to imply beauty, you can feminine without METRIC TONS of lipstick and eyeliner. 
 
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:iconshieltar:
Shieltar Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm fed up of people being too blind to spot the difference between statement A) and statement B)

A) The character looks like a male, when there supposed to be female.
B) The character isn't drop dead sexy gorgeous.

I SAID STATEMENT A!!!!  AND AT NO POINT SAID STATEMENT B!!!!
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:iconcrowmagnon:
crowmagnon Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2018
I don't get it. I went looking at a few pics, and she just looks like a teenaged girl to me.
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:iconshieltar:
Shieltar Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
check the link in the description.  The images in that article, are the images that they went to press with.

In those images, Shera does not have any female gender signifiers.  However, she does have male gender signifiers, and thus looks like a guy.

Since then, in the images they have released they have accentuated the female gender signifies.  Which means in those pictures she looks like a teenage girl.  To which I say.  Good.  That means they've responded to criticism and improved what there doing.

Which is the point of criticism.
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:iconcrowmagnon:
crowmagnon Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2018
I'll take your word for it, I guess. I just didn't see her as looking all that mannish to begin with.
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:iconshieltar:
Shieltar Featured By Owner Edited Aug 7, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As an artist, it's kinda my job to spot and replicate the subtle differences between the genders that no one really spots.  For example.  the fringe line (where the hair grows from) is different between males and females.  Men have a more square hairline around the face, women a rounder one.  The leg muscles are shaped differently as well.  Men have a more triangular rear, while women a more rounded.  Also mens lower leg muscles are widest higher up and don't go quite as far down the leg.  Women have one less rib than men, so that section of there body is shorter.

There are loads and loads of little tells like these to someones gender.  Our subconscious mind takes all these in.  weighs them all up, and then presents us with a conclusion as to what gender someone is based on weather there are more male or female tells.  And we don't even know that's what we've done.

I guess, because I know what I'm looking for, I can see it more.
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crowmagnon Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2018
Yeah, it's probably because I've seen so many stylized and simplified designs from modern cartoons compared to what you had back in the 80s, I just translated whatever subconscious cues you picked up on as examples of streamlining.
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Peaches-n-Charlotte Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2018  Student General Artist
I actually like the new design. It makes her look more her age.
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sampleguy Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I’m generally with you on this one, but here’s a counter argument
What if it weee the design for “He-ra”? Would we be complaining that it looked like a girl?
i think my issue with it is I don’t like current gender nonconformist trends, and this is evidence.
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Shieltar Featured By Owner Edited Jul 20, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was actually planning on doing a picture of Heman as a girl.  But I'm not going to for two reasons...

1.) I can't think of a good enough pun to go with it.
2.) having watched some heman for the 1st time yesterday.  He is so camp and gay already, that coupled with how it's unintentional.  It's hilarious as all hell, and I don't see how you can top it.
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ComikzInk Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018
Wtf even is this comment section? Is nobody allowed to criticise something with a joke and not have the opinion police on your back.
"Not all women look feminine",Cool some people might look like that but likewise some people might think it's the other gender.

To be honest I previously had no knowledge of the character, when the design was doing the rounds on social media I thought it was some fanart of a young Thor. Then seeing this in DA I realised I was both wrong and that someone had unearthed a new salt mine for the internet to play in.
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jawmax Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018
The way I see it some was going to complain about this not matter what. If she looked as feminine some would say the shows creators would be objectifying women. Someone some where will complain about new things in media because not everything will fit in their perfect vision of the world.
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Drager55891 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018
I don't get the hate for females.
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timsplosion Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Professional Filmographer
She's not a dude, and implying that the message of "you can be awesome as well as beautiful" is somehow dulled down by the absence of eyelashes, titties, and hips, says more about what you think than it does anything about the reboot.
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Shieltar Featured By Owner Edited Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
uh... how is a character who is not beautiful, supposed to be promoting any concept of beauty?  Power or otherwise.  Not that I think conveying messages of beauty in a kids show is appropriate any more.

What I'm saying is that a show aimed at young girl, should not have a female lead who looks like a guy, because it sends entirely the wrong message, and they are either not going to empathize with the character, or they are going to become ashamed of there own body.  Ideally she should look like an average girl.  Not an average boy.

Eyelashes are an easy, lazy visual trick to make a face look more femanine.  and it's used because it works.  No other reason.
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timsplosion Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Professional Filmographer
"... a character who is not beautiful..."

Fucking hell.

I find it hilarious that you argue the eyelashes bit, but don't touch the hips and tits thing. Like, I know you draw all of your teenage girl characters with fully developed tits, but most teenagers don't actually look like that in real life. A skinny-but-toned teenage boy will have a very similar body shape to a skinny-but-toned teenage girl. There's not actually a whole lot of difference between male and female bodies, especially before or during the start of puberty - if there's one thing I've learned since being in a relationship, it's that the majority of what we think of girls as "just looking that way" is actually down to the right makeup or the right clothing. In reality, a young woman might not have fully developed breasts until their early 20s if they're a late bloomer, and the hips can widen similarly late, and even if you have both of those, the right clothing can bring you right back into androgyny. That gives you a huge potential of realistic female body shapes for characters 13-25, and by calling her a boy for not having those features when she's meant to be 16 you're actually being super insulting to those young women and girls who develop on the latter half of the potential timeline. So frankly your crocodile tears over women's body image ring more than just a little bit hollow.


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Shieltar Featured By Owner Edited Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
no insulting allowed.  Either keep it calm and civil, or I'll be forced to hide this whole conversation tree.
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Darzac Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018
I'm pretty sure no one should pay attention to those remarks. I mean, was mlp impacted by those who said "it's for little girl yoi freak!"? Or Teen Titan go? Nevermind this wave of haters, TTG doesn't give a shit and go on. We will watch it, enjoy it, and show to the producters that we like it (or not) after we watched.
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Randomponyzilla Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018   Interface Designer
should I care? I never watched She-ra growing up, so that could be it. lol.
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sigel4ever Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Student General Artist
for the love of greyskull!

(not is for your desing, is for the inspiration of your design)
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Someone423 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018
You hit the nail on the head.

And this amount of salt in the comments amuses me though.
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Shieltar Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I had a feeling there might be salt.  But the idea popped into my head and it was just too funny and on the nail not to draw it.
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wolfman-al Featured By Owner Edited Jul 18, 2018
I really don´t see a problem.
I don´t think heroines have to be sexy to be heroines, I kinda like the idea to make characters more androginous.
Not to have a go at you, but I always have the feeling those people who are mad that characters are being redesigned like that, are mad that they can´t fap to those characters anymore.
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AurePeri Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
I had wrote up a whole argument... just laying into you. It's not worth it. I'm just going to go. you'll not miss my view, whatever. This is just sad and disappointing. Good luck with your life friend.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
You are a much wiser person than I. (See above)
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:iconaureperi:
AurePeri Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
I had expected more from someone who came from the MLP fandom. I don't know who hurt them, but all I know is they sure as fuck won't be making a Patron of me.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Also, it seems like a lot of people in the MLP fandom never bothered to actually listen to the actual show. Make of that what you will.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I've unfollowed him over this fight.
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timsplosion Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Professional Filmographer
Yeh, having seen the tack he's taken with you guys, I doubt I'll change his mind so I've unfollowed him too. I was already getting weirded out by how he drew his teenage characters, but this insight into his thinking has switched me off from wanting to support it any more.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Good thinking.
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Drakua-Toa-of-rahi Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018
Bearded my in Sailor Moon cosplay, anyone? Look, when the general consensus is that the opinion of those interested in the upcoming is "This looks really good," I'm just one to go with the flow. It's not a matter of "This doesn't look feminine enough, they're overdoing it!" it is a matter of a world that is coming to terms with that which was once considered atypical becoming the norm. In this day and age, people are growing bored with the idea of "a woman must look feminine, and a man must look masculine" and are learning that it is okay to toy with the human form. And to make a reference to your conversation with :iconmaxvision92: , your point of sexual dimorphism is a bit a loose fit. Sure, male biology is slightly different from female biology, but when you consider the amount of different shapes, sizes and orientations, that line becomes very blurred and you find those that just buck the trend. So no, the new She-ra is not a man in a dress, but a young woman whose history as a fictional character has transitioned from that of a hero for girls designed by men to a reinterpretation of that age old power fantasy that was once reserved for men and men alone.
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Shieltar Featured By Owner Edited Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Since when was it little girls power fantasy to be a boy?  and if so, that's kind of insulting to little girls that there power fantasy has to revolve around gender swapping.  Girls should be proud to be girls.  Not ashamed of it, and anyone making girls ashamed of there own biology should be ashamed of themselves.
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Drakua-Toa-of-rahi Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018
I never said that, what I meant was the power fantasy of being the hero of the story, being strong and powerful, capable of shrugging off a bad hit and beating the bad guys. No genderswapping involved, and no need for unnecessary "feminizing" by a full/majority male production staff. And if you were paying attention, I mentioned how biology isn't so black and white, and that including woman with predominantly masculine features. "Androgynous," I believe is the term for it.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK YOU!
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ndedwards224 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018
i think it looks more like a Tomboy. either way it all depends weather the show is good or not, but we can't say that until it airs. but for me i was never into Shera so my opinion of the old and new show is null. but i am surprised that with them remaking Shera that they aren't also remaking Heman. they are two sides of the same coin aren't they?
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Shieltar Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
from the blurb, not in this version.  Not that I really care.  I just saw a terrible character design, and simply HAD to make fun of it.
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Sniperian Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I absolutely agree, the people who push this stuff seem to want it both ways and neither, a lose-lose situation.
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MesuYoru Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
She a lot reminds me of Lina Inverse. Ya know Lina also have flat chest, but she will kill ya with Dragon Slave if ya tell her something like that. 
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webkilla Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
hehe
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Dice-Warwick Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
basically. Still not one of the shows I watched as a kid, TMNT and Th Real Ghost Busters were my thing. Don't see any of the new TMNT but the last tv show for them looked good, skipped the movies, like a lot of people did. As for Ghost Busters, Bill Murry is probably going to die befor we see another Ghost Busters... T-T they sould have just made Ghost Busters Extreme into a movie, and if it worked used the Goth chick as a foundation for an all girl ghost busters group.

But any who, From what I know, Shera was meant to be a clasic style Female Hero story. By removing the femininity from her, It's like having He-Man with no mussels, it's removing part of what makes a power fantasy character a power fantasy. most guys want to be big and strong, and most women want to be thin and sexy.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
You, uh, you've never actually talked to a woman about this, have you? Because most of the women I know don't want to be thin, and they don't need to be thin to feel sexy.


(They want to feel safe, but that's another story)
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Dice-Warwick Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
wow, personal attacks, if you want to make a point, go for it, but it's very disrespectful to make ausmtions about the other person. What I mean about thin and sexy, is that most women want to not have exase waite, be able to fit in a minie skirt or tight jeans. It's why women go on diets, and work out, I'm not talking about being anorexic, just being at a healthy size for a young woman. Also, I said thin and sexy, not sexy thin. Sexy is more subjective, and depend on who a person wants to attract, it just happens that being thin opens up a lot more doors to being sexy, but is not fully required.

Anyways, I get what your saying, but next time don't just amuse who some one is, who they hang out with, and who they are into.
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, not really feeling motivated to argue this on good faith, so I have less patience than usual.

What women are you hanging around, my dude?
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Dice-Warwick Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
friends, family, coworkers. The general idea is that if your thin, your healthy, but maintaining it can be difficult. and that's not just for women, but men too,  it's just having more mussles is a higher priority then less fat. but If I ever started packing on the pound, my family would be crossed with me, mostly because it means I could suddenly drop dead on them do to a recent discover on my own heath.

The point I'm trying to make is that being healthy is attractive, so part of a power fantasy character is having a healthy body, as having to stop a fight do to asma is not going to work, unless this is a comedy. Also agreeing with Shieltar, a 16 year old tends to have alredy hit puberty, and so, should show sighed of their gender. Even if the character is androgenic, their sould be one or two things about her that say "girl" the only women that could pass as guys from a glance have been a few boyish lesbians I've known, or met, but then it was clear that they were trying to look and act like a guy. (one time on a buss, people kept trying to subtly tell me I was talking to a girl, but I'm a tad autistic, and was just confused.)
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maxvision92 Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, so what does that have to do with how She-Ra isn't stereotypically feminine/eye-candy now?
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Dice-Warwick Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
ya, it did trail off there did it.

But ya, were talking about a classic 80's hero who's known for her femininity being one of her strengths, it literally being in her name "She"-Ra and having much of that removed. This is going to get the fans of She-Ra confused, but then add the whole thing with Thunder Cats, and whats happens to Miss Marvel in the comics, you start seeing a trend. If it was only She-Ra this was happening to, people would just be confused, but would at least give it more of a fair shake. Sadly since it's not just She-Ra, people are already annoyed, and this is pushing them over the edge.

Trust me, if the next show they reboot dose this again with a classic feminine character, the backlash will be bigger. Lets say Xena warrior princess, re-imagined as a buff woman as big as Hercules or something.
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