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Elmslie Typology of single edged medieval swords by shad-brooks Elmslie Typology of single edged medieval swords by shad-brooks
Presenting the Elmslie typology of single edge medieval swords. My video of the typology can be seen here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGCjgl…
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2018
Hey man, I just got dome watching your falchion/messer playlist.  Something that really annoyed me was that you gave a clear description of what defines a messer, but you never explained what defines a falchion.  If I have a messer sword, how do I know whether or not it's also a falchion?
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Hiemfire Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2018
How the hilt is shaped and constructed. M= Messer, F=Falchion (look at the image above). Messers have knife style hilts while Falchions retain the regular sword style hilts. Aside from that there is really no difference.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2018
that doesn't really fit, since a sword can be both a falchion and a messer at the same time.
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zazink Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2018
No it cant? The whole point of the video is that depending on hilt construction it is EITHER a falcior or a messer
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GrayWeyd Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2018
F/M3C+ or F/M3C++
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DeadKnight1 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2018
I made this.
Sword of Congratulations by DeadKnight1
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SebastiansSire Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice! Something I can use when designing characters with swords! This is such an awesome chart! I wanna learn how to use these weapons. :)
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vasdrakken Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
The point tips have their roots in roman swords. The gladius started out with a flat edge that was sharped across the flat edge and no edge on the sides, much like a chisel. They were hammered flat as bar stock about a quarter inch tip with the end whacked on an angle. It takes six weeks to train a piker, it takes six years to train a swordsman, but the roman legion could train a raw recruit picked up in spring by july or august how to use a pike and gladius to fight with. The pikes sixteen feet long wood with fire harden points, and the gladius an aluminum bronze blade with twisted handle of the the hilt wrapped in leather. The blade about two feet long could be sharped with a rock broken in half and polished to long like gold while when it was driven into the wounds it made left spalling of toxic metal. Pretty sure 1b and 1c are the result of those being refined into a chopping blade. 1a is the basic tip heavy cleaver every chef knows. so likely due to the effectiveness of cooking with a steel 1a, people kept experimenting with the shape and blade. There are few blades left in museums that are 1a with a much tighter curve to the front but still have the re-enforced flat spine.

Then there are all the blades that got got reforged to make fire arms that wiped out most of the effective steel blades so that many of the blades found were blades too warped by combat or bad casting or forging or in broken pieces that got tossed in mass graves that were due up by people fighting off all the roving armies that happened during the dark ages.
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Reiam Featured By Owner May 28, 2017
Thank you Shad for sharing the typology as a huge picture! I was amazed about it when I first saw it in the solinger catalog.
Your videos at youtube are great also. Thanks for them too.
(Well, I shoud visit Solingen again.....great museum there with fine blades) ;)
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LeoB20Fi Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2017
Thanks a lot. I think the Falchion/Messer video series is amazing.
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Danubium Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2017
Long overdue.

But methinks the 1d should be classified together with the type 2.
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LeoB20Fi Featured By Owner Edited Mar 9, 2017
I agree. Here's my version

leob20fi.deviantart.com/art/Cu…

P.S.

I might have posted this twice. I think I've fixed it now.
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Danubium Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
If you change it, it's not the Elmslie typology anymore. Why keep the name?
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LeoB20Fi Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2017
You're right. I just did some copy/paste on Shad's file. That's something I did for myself, of course, not to suggest Elmslie's Typology actually be changed. I simply posted it here because it seemed related.
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AussieKnight Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2016
DeadKNight, if the blade was made of good steel it would still hold and edge, but sharp edges are always less durable, but to defeat armour just turn it around and use the hammer or beaked side of the poleaxe, thats what it is there for, or stab them with the point on top. remember the blade is for peasants, the hammer is for knight :P
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DeadKnight1 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2016
I have a question, if you were to make a poleaxe as sharp as a falchion then would it be enough to cut through gambeson and cause serious damage without severely defeating it's anti-armour abilities?
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RyanRyzzo Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Excellent! My favourite sword type(s).
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DeadKnight1 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2016
Very nice, I saw the video
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CristiBoss Featured By Owner Edited Aug 20, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Type 5a looks like a Katana in your render. 
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LionsDisciple Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2016
Excellent representation Shad. I personally think that I like the 1a and the 3c the most of the bunch.

Could the +  and - representation be used for all sword classification in regards to curvature? So a Katana would generally be a + sword, while swords and sabers with more worthwhile curvatures would be ++ or +++
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minvydaaas Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2016
I guess that this classification is only for messers and falchions only. Indeed 1a falchion was common at start, but it lost its popularity.
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Airborneleaf Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sabres tend to be their own specific models and patterns, so you don't get variations in things like the curvature of the blade unless it's a custom order. Having something like Pattern 1796 Light cavalry Sabre +++ would be unnecessary as that level of curvature is standard for the sword. Same with any model or pattern of sabre.
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LionsDisciple Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2016
I'm aware of that. I meant more to differentiate between swords of different class rather than between class. So for example, discussing the difference between two different models of saber where one has a +++ curve and the other has a ++, you could use that as a basis for discussing how those different blades preform based on their curvature.
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Airborneleaf Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
About time they got their own!

I'm confused regarding type 2 though. Do you or James Elmslie have any idea about what caused the 1d to trade its rounded edge for a pointed one, before going back to the more rounded edge of the 3a?
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shad-brooks Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
James would have an idea about that, I'm less informed unfortunately. The type 2 is certainly an odd duck ^_^
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Airborneleaf Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Could possibly be just an anomaly. Maybe it was an attempt at an evolution but ended up only supplementing the type 1d, instead of being an actual development and replacement of it. I know I'd certainly prefer using the type 1d, as that reverse clipped point thing doesn't seem to do anything but make it worse at cutting.
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