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A new (hunter) hope by ScottHartman A new (hunter) hope by ScottHartman
Star Wars jokes aside, in some ways Neovenator really did represent a new hope, as Neovenator appears to be near the base of a successful Cretaceous radiation that allowed carnosaurs to continue to play important roles on most continents, sometimes all the way up to the end of the Cretaceous.

Most of the animal is known, although the top of the ilium, the back of the skull, and the arms are not known. Those elements have been based on other neovenatorids like Aerosteon and Australovenator.
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JemDarpole Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Do these guys have feathers? how would it cover the body  
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Atlantis536 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So you think megaraptorans are neovenatorids? 
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
That was the original idea. It's a bit of an open question now, though the most recent salvo (Novas et al., 2016) seems to again be siding with them being allied with allosauroids rather than coelurosaurs. Time will tell.
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ASMeekerorum Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2017
Do you think that this skeletal may be overhauled as Megaraptorans like Australovenator and Aerosteon used to supllement the lack of Neovenator material are commonly recovered in Tyrannodauroidea now instead of within Neovenatoridae?
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ghashogh Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2016
i think this neovenator is not full grown,but getting close to his max size
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TheDubstepAddict Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome pun XD
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BackToLifeMod Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
It had a slight premaxiliary notch? Odd ;)

could this be the connection between spinosaurs and megalosaurs? Or is there a distinct factor that breaks Neoventor from megalosaurs?
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Actually quite a lot of theropods have a minor notch between the max and premax like this, including more primitive taxa like ceratosaurs, and more advanced taxa like some tyrannosauroids. Neovenator is safely ensconced as an allosauroid, apparently near the base of carcharodontosaurs.
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BackToLifeMod Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Ahh I see! Thanks!
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orange-eyed-serpent Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Scott, I think someone is using this, and other of your skeletals, without your permission. Check out this site:
romangm.com/dinosaur-stars/
I hate that I keep finding stuff like this. :(
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grisador Featured By Owner May 24, 2015
AND... Aaaand; at least; this one had 'decent' hands/clawd ! XD
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Pulsarium Featured By Owner May 20, 2015  Student General Artist
One of my favorite dinosaurs back when I was young. sure looks cool.
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Asuma17 Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Megaraptor is said to be Neovenatorian, but now is placed in Tyrannosauroidea if they don't find a proper classification it validate that Megaraptor is both a allosaur/coelurosaur.
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Asuma17 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
No he isn't Neovenator is what started the group in the first place, it has it's own group and is a Carcharodontosaurian family. Megaraptor is now a distant relative of Neovenator, since it was classified as Tyrannosaur however the stakes and so far is theorized to being closely related to both groups.
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PedroSalas Featured By Owner May 1, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
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Mesozoic0906 Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2013

I heard that most of the cretaceous "Neovenatorids" were found out to be Tyrannosauroid.

(Megaraptor, Australovenator, etc..)

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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
That suggestion had been floated, but there doesn't seem to be much support for it now. At this point it looks pretty solid that neovantorids are allosauroids more closely related to carcharodontosaurines than to other carnosaur groups.
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Mesozoic0906 Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2013
I heard that the new story says that most neovenatorids were allosaur, but several of them like australovenator, megaraptor, and Orkoraptor? were tyrannosauroid.

Then, do you think All neovenatorids are allosaur with no change?

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vasix Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Those would be the megaraptorans....although...ah, I guess you already got to hear this recently? :)
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Dino-Mario Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The force is strong in this dino...
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Student General Artist
"a successful Cretaceous radiation that allowed carnosaurs"
"carnosaurs"

We'll see ;)
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Indeed?
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Student General Artist
If you're keeping up with the lit you might now know what I meant.
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I keep up with it, but I generally wait for several response papers to accumulate before I worry too much about major shifts in taxonomy.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah, the fact that they are still carnosaurs on Cau's megamatrix, which is far more expansive in it's characters, already casts doubt on the matter.
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Floyatoy Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013
Does anyone know the specifics of the specimen that suggests a 10 metre long animal?
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DigiDayDreamer Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2013
While I'm not all at familiar with dinosaur physiology, it's nifty to see the possibility of having such arms on that big of a reptile. :)

And dang have you been busy with all these new skeletons! Or do you just prefer to upload in huge batches instead?
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PrimevalRaptor Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I got to say, this looks a bit different than I imagined it, but well, it looks even more awesome.
Great job on the restauration. ^^
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thank you :)
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Teratophoneus Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
nice one, the skull seems to be more elongated than I have seen in other reconstructions. Is that because the skull of the holotype was restored wrong like it was the case with giganotosaurus or is there another reason?
Of all the allosaurs, Neovenatorids and Metriacanthosaurids are my favourite ones, and your Neovenator has to be the best one Ive seen so far :)
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Thanks! The entire back half of the skull is missing, so in theory either could be correct. I used skull bones from other neovenatorids (first), basal carcharodontosaurines (second), and Allosaurus last. So the size should fit well within what we'd see in other relatives.

Obviously I'd favor my interpretation here, but I think there's a reason why previous reconstructions made it a bit small - when you are truly guessing (and at first they really didn't know exactly where it would go, or that there even was a group called "neovenatorids") it's natural to de-emphasize the parts that are more speculative, which could have lead to a smaller back half of the skull.

Hopefully we'll get more specimens so we can be sure!
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Teratophoneus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013
its kinds strange, that actually Neovenator seems to be the neovenatorid with the most skull material found.
I also really need to update my recent neovenator pic , do you mind if I use your skeletal reconstruction as a reference to make a new Neovenator picture?
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
No, please do.
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TheArchosaurQueen Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know, do you think their is good evidence that Neovenator and it's kin steamed from "Allosaurids", or could it had been the Sinraptorids?
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Sinraptor and kin generally fall within allosaurids, I wasn't trying to specify one or the other.
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Algoroth Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
Falling within allosaurids seems to be an unpleasant way to go. OUCH!!!!! :rofl: :chew: As always, excellent work, Scott! :clap: 
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TheArchosaurQueen Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah, I see :).
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bensen-daniel Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
So this is like, the Windows 7 of carnosaurs.
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Lol, indeed. Followed by the Windows 8 of carnosaurs (the K/T meteor).
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bensen-daniel Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013
:D
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hey, I can say that, I'm a Windows 8 user. :P
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TheArchosaurQueen Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:laughing:!
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pilsator Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awesome, Scott. Singularly awesome. The carnosaur with those big nasal crests and so on - you turned it into a full-body silhouette with any single bone as close to the mark as possible. I sit in awe, once again.
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ScottHartman Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Hard to respond to this in any other way than saying thanks!
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DeinonychusEmpire Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I always loved theropod skulls with sloped oval snouts like that.
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TheArchosaurQueen Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Same :).
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DinoHunter000 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He definitely looks like he would make a fine mess out of something!
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action-figure-opera Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013
He looks like a schemer.
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GoldenDogGodess Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Student Filmographer
My favourite dinosaur-group! They're so awesome! :D
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