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DA's New Notice | Sexual Harassment

Journal Entry: Tue Sep 20, 2016, 6:41 PM
Alright, everybody!  Multiple topics I want to bring up today (namely in the title, be warned).  So the little . . . "artist feature" notification thing has . . . really gotten some interesting attention so far, yeah?  I'll quickly post my comment and the reply of the site mod, danlev , who kindly responded to me.

Da Mod 1 by SavannaEGoth
((Sorry for the wonky time stamps, Charter was turning my wifi on and off while I was trying to write this.))

That's the first time I've been addressed personally by one of DA's staff . . . probably the whole time I've been on DA.  It was . . . odd considering I have had things I've felt very strongly on in the past that were ignored and lumped with the rest of the community because of obvious time constraints the busy lives the staff members lead, but also because the feedback likely isn't what they had been hoping for.

I just wanted to say that while the vibes/message I get from this journal, like the majority of people commenting on the notice, make me very uncomfortable and somewhat even disappointed/unhappy with DA, I would like to admit that trying to highlight the unknown artists would also be difficult and would still lead to criticsm.  Most of the people commenting are unhappy with the fact that only well-known artists with high prices are being featured.  I'm still not entirely sure as to how these artists were selected, but it was very lucky for them and I'm happy that they were because it would be an amazing opportunity for anyone on DA.  However, these artists do tend to already have a lot of watchers and followers and seem fairly well known as there were multiple people in the comments who immediately identified a certain few of them as being people they already watched.  This means that while they are no doubt getting a lot of help from DA in finding interested commissioners, they already had a better chance than most.  There are tons and tons of undiscovered, struggling artists out there who could benefit from a feature like this, too, I agree that much.  What people commenting on the notice also seem to fail to realize is that it would be very hard to include all of the people who are dependent on their art/DA for their living expenses.  There are so many people out there who would deserve being featured like this as well, but never will be.  It's hard to swallow, but it's the truth.

The prices of the commissions were also rather high, but again these selected artists are pretty popular, and they've got talent.  For some of them this is their main/only source of income and it would make sense that they're charging what they do to make a living.  However, on DeviantArt popularity sells better than just raw talent alone.  This is another reason why artists commenting weren't happy because like me, you, and many others on the site they've no doubt struggled in trying to get a decent amount of pay for their work.  Art takes time, time that could be spent working at another job, relaxing, studying, etc.  They need money for the time they lose making art, but many artists on this site still have to sell themselves short to even hope they can make money.

The topic of money brings me brings me to the painfully obvious advertising of the points purchase and the commission widgets.  I don't know how many of you are familiar with the widgets or not, but as I said in my comment on the original notice above, they take a portion of the artist's earnings and send it to DA for using the feature.  DA isn't a charity, obviously, and needs money to stay in operation for their massive servers that are growing daily.  That doesn't really excuse clever advertisements like this, in my opinion.  They already receive cuts from the DA store as well, for really shocking amounts!  Not to mention they've been raising prices on "core" memberships and the like, and have been cutting down on features available to ALL members.  It's worrying many that DA is truly only seeking money and they're growing more and more impersonal.  It isn't hard to notice that they rarely, if ever, respond to negative criticsm on their updates, while sending out a few thanks to positive members and answering a few questions here and there before abandoning the notice/journal comment section for good.  Again, they're busy, but everyone's voices need to be accounted for, even in small amounts.  It's called sampling, and is important for the statistics they no doubt somewhat pay attention to . . . or at least glance over.  I think that was why I was so surprised to see a staff member reply to me.

Perhaps if they consider the feedback they got from this journal they'll try some other money-making approach in the future, or will actually make a feature with nothing but the artists' benefits in mind.  This is why PayPal (while their change in TOS is a royal mess right now) is still preferable over the paying features on DA.  If they had simply advertised for a few popular and a few unknown artists who make icons/avatars and use PP as a primary means of money transaction then it wouldn't have been so shocking to the people who read it.

I have to admit, though, that the comment section was pretty great.  (I'm a sucker for wit and sass.)  I even met some talented, kind people out of it:  GiantPurpleCat lnkblooded 
Their art is lovely and their styles are so cool!  Definitely watch/commission them if you can!
((WHILE I WAS POSTING THIS,
GiantPurpleCat EVEN FEATURED ME.  BLESS YOU, FAM.))

(I would also surely be remiss if I didn't mention sassh0le and Midnitez-REMIX for their amazing comments in the discussion section.  Brilliant work, you fabulous people, you.)

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Now . . . for the more unpleasant part of this journal.  I know a good lot of you guys saw the photodumps I posted last night.  I was actually starting to feel good about myself again and while working on some art I felt the need to post them.  It was for fun, but some of the attention I received was really . . . awkward.  I had nice comments on them on DA and Skype, and I do appreciate the kindness/compliments!  However, some people contacted me privately in a way that made me a little/VERY uncomfortable.

I shouldn't have to say this, and I doubt everyone who messaged me privately about this kind of thing recently or in the past will ever see this journal, but just because someone posts a picture of themselves that you may find appealing/attractive, that doesn't give you the right to ask dirty things of them.  It's NEVER okay.  I am more than just my face and my body.  I'm more than just a single piece of meat waiting for someone to fill up the hole my past relationship left in me.  I would like to be treated as a human being should.  It's not hard to be respectful of others, and even simple comments of "you look very nice!" can suffice if you wish to tell someone you admire the way they look.

The worst one I got ended up in me blocking the other user (who shall remain nameless ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE LITERALLY VISITED MY PAGE +FIVE TIMES SINCE AN HOUR OR TWO AGO).  In short, they greeted me in a note, nothing I have issue with, and then right after I responded with a greeting in reply they sent me a link to a nude photo of their lower region. . .  I'm not making this shit up.  I didn't click on the "show anyway" button on the filter for obvious reasons, and told them politely I didn't want to look.  Then they kept describing it and their transitional phase they're apparently going through.

Let me interrupt the account here by saying something else I really didn't think needed to be said EVER because WOW:
I am, for the most part, a friendly, understanding, and accepting person.  I don't feel someone should be judged or hated for things they cannot help or certain life choices that they make.  It doesn't bother me in the slightest whether you are male, female, trigender, bigender, transsexual, heterosexual, homosexual, pansexual, or of ANY sexuality/orientation.  If your sex and gender (what you are biologically versus what you identify as) are different or the same, it doesn't matter.  You are you.  You can't help these things that you feel to be right, and it is your body/love life and is personal and special to you.  If you want to take horomones and have a surgery then you go for it!  I'll support you!  You have a right to feel happy and loved~
I also don't care what religion you practice, what race you are, where you live, what your social/financial standing is, whether or not you're fictionkin, your body type, what fandom(s) you associate with, your political alignment, YOUR BLEEDIN' FOOT FIZE, ETC.  YOU are YOU and have every right to be YOU.  (Though admittedly I get irritated when people make fun of genders by saying that their gender is Kracken or unicorn or Japanese, etc. . . .  Those aren't genders . . . you should know that.  Be mature about these things.  Also don't care for people who force their religions on others.  That's nasty and you shouldn't feel so entitled nor should you tell people they're going to hell and should feel bad about themselves because they love people in a way you cannot.)  ((Also use your brain and avoid claiming things like me supporting something hateful or dangerous like terrorism or pedophilia.  You know that isn't what I mean.))

ANYWAYS.  I told them I was happy for them, but I still didn't want to look TWICE MORE after the first time and that's when they started getting short with me.  I'll be taking out their name for obvious reasons, but holy God almighty did this convo really not need to happen.  ((Again, sorry for the weird formatting of the images, Charter turned off my wifi and LEFT.  So . . . I'll grab the shots from my phone.))  Don't click on the link if you'd rather not read this what was said.

Harrassment Convo Redacted by SavannaEGoth

I'm wondering whether I should still report harassment or not.  I'm more concerned about them just doing it to random people or possibly people who are underaged.  I have, like I said, blocked them, but after doing so they kept viewing my profile in what I assume were attempts to contact me further.  IF IT'S YOU READING THIS, WHAT YOU DID WAS UNCALLED FOR AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.  IT'S BECAUSE OF THINGS LIKE THIS THAT THERE ARE STILL STRUGGLES WITH PEOPLE ACCEPTING PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT GENDERS AND SEXES.  I SAID IT TO YOU ONCE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.  CHECK YOURSELF.  Also, not contacting anyone in the way you contacted me ever again would be smart, too.  But that's just my opinion.

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Lastly, allow me to try and brighten the gloomy atmosphere I've created with this journal by sharing a little something with you guys which you may or may not enjoy (though I hope you do because I love the people who support me and actually take time to listen to what I have to say):




  • Listening to: "Glowing Eyes" - Twenty One Pilots
  • Reading: Geology Textbook
  • Watching: Alonzo Lerone
  • Playing: Nothing
  • Eating: Nothing
  • Drinking: Water
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Torn-B-I-a-S Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016
I'm a little late saying this, but I definitely think that user's behaviour is grounds for reporting.
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool, cool.  Still waiting for DA's reply on the matter, though  :U
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lnkblooded Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016
You can try reporting, but honestly, I seriously doubt dA will give a shit. I've never actually seen evidence of them listening to a report.

I know how it feels for something like this to happen. This might sound weird, but I was born with a condition that makes me a target and I have experienced a lot of harassment from transgender and gay males. They seem to think they have the right to my body and my attention just because of the way I look and the way I was born. And sometimes it's not sexual, instead they express how much they hate me for who I am.
But every time I tell anyone I get called "homophobic" or "transphobic" so I have to ignore it. So I just have to avoid the LGBT communities if I don't want to be harassed.

Sexual harassment is awful and inexcusable but no matter who you are, someone always finds a way to take the harasser's side and say you're the one in the wrong.
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
*ShrugS*  I've had to report a few people in the past for various reasons but half the time DA replied saying that unless I was the one being targeted or having my art stolen they wouldn't do anything.

WTF, that's fucking horrible of them to do.  You can't help these things, and no one should target someone else for something like that!  Those kinds of people make me really angry.  They whine about inequality, but they themselves are hateful.  I swear not everyone in the community is like that. . .  It's just disconcerting that more and more of the negative, terrible members are appearing. . .

AIOHeawg--no one's done that yet, thankfully!  And if they sided with "lilprick" then I'd block them, too.  >A>
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BedCrows Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Student Digital Artist
LITERALLY EJECTS THE HARASSER OUT OF LGBT+

You watch Alonzo Lerone too? : D
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
*WATCHES AND HUGS YOU*

YES!  The company clapback was prolly my favorite he's uploaded so far.
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hyperdriive Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Student General Artist
I would report them, providing those screenshots as evidence. There are younger people on this site that I know would click the link because they think they're helping said person, or because maybe they don't think it's what it is. It's a shame there are so many people like that around, like seriously, ugh. They should get deactivated for having it in stash/their gallery anyway - DA checks things like that (apparently.) 
I'm sorry you had to deal with that crap, it's even more frustrating that the person didn't listen and played the whole 'oh you're anti trans/transtrender you gender isn't real' card, then acted like they were the victim when in fact you were the one being harassed. 
I'm very proud of you for how you handled the situation, I've been in situations similar and I have to say that you've handled it better than I did. 
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup.  Hopefully DA treats it as a serious matter.  I'm almost afraid that this person may be underage, as well.  They certainly acted and spoke like a child.  But I'm not going to be losing sleep over it.  In fact, the time it was happening I was in . . . an okay mood?  I wasn't angry or upset.  I was just irritated and felt equal parts spiteful and pitying.

Yeah that was really low.  It's thanks to people like this that there's still so much stigma against trans people.  It's awful.  People just need to all chill out and quit holding their genders/sexes over one another.

Thank you very much, sweetheart.  I surprisingly wasn't tempted at all to start cussing them out or to start a big fight.  I just wanted to hammer it into their head how despicable they were acting, and tried to get them to understand what my gender meant but they weren't having it.  It wasn't like I was telling them I was better than them or that I've gone through their struggles so I don't know where they got that load of BS from.  Whatever.  Over and done.  DA gets to handle this now.  I was really more ashamed of the grammar errors, to be honest.  I let quite a few slip in the notes and in this journal, but . . . don't feel like fixing them.
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Saturn-Gaming Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, I'll go ahead and break down each... situation(?) I guess would be the appropriate word, and give my opinion. On the first:

While I've been creating for a long time now, I'm rather new to the DA scene, even despite having an alternate personal account for the non-professional side. That being said, I don't know if my input even means anything on a site I'm only just now involving myself with, but on a fundamental level, I'm inclined to agree with you. With such a MASSIVE pool of talent available to pick from, choosing from only the more highly watched/paid creators/artists on DA for this seems a bit skewed. The more obscure artists and those who are just "breaking water" so to speak, deserve just as much of a chance as anyone, if not more, since they have low exposure to begin with. I myself am having trouble getting my work viewed and critiqued, whether it's on here or any other website where I feature my work.

I don't need to do commission work to support myself though. I work full time, and artwork is simply a hobby. I want exposure, but on a personal level I don't want this kind of exposure, so I don't really relate to people who want to be on the commission gravy train. From an outsider's perspective though, it seems rather low to pick and choose favorites.


Onto the sexual harassment issue, reporting the person is absolutely the best, and in my opinion ONLY course of action (which I see you already did, so kudos!). Letting people like that have their run of the community, potentially causing issues for other users, or even harming younger and more impressionable members of DA. I'm the kind of guy where nipping the problems in the bud before they grow into a bigger and more dangerous mess is the only right decision.

And the attitude of the person in question was just horrid. Demeaning someone else's personality and beliefs simply because you're insecure in your own beliefs is absurd to the highest degree. =T
You create awesome work, so don't let a fool like that get you down! ^_^
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, DA, for a lot of people, is more informal and very cheap compared to other sites focused on art and commissions.  At least, it's hard for artists to get money worth their work.  But DA didn't try finding unknown, just popular artists who likely make a lot and DA would be able to profit somewhat off of if they gave them more attention.  At least, that's how it seems.

I would really like to have some sort of more steady commission flow, for peace of mind.  Financial insecurity is one of my greatest fears, and no one has bothererd hiring me for two months so I'm running out of options.  But yeah . . . they weren't specific in the process of how they went about asking these artists if they wanted to be featured, but no doubt had to make sure that they would receive pay through the commissions widget so DA could get a cut.  It gets sleazier the more I think about it.

Yeah.  For a bit I wasn't sure if what they did was enough to warrant a report ticket, but I don't want them pulling that crap with anyone else.  It was a really shitty thing to do, and I was even staying fairly level headed with them.  They acted like a child, but if they're posting nudges of themselves then who knows how old they really are?  At least I don't have the little pop up informing me that they're viewing my profile anymore.  >_>  I think they gave up trying to contact me finally.
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Saturn-Gaming Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
As sad as it is to admit, that seems like the name of the game with these large websites that are constantly looking to edge out that extra dollar, even when it's unnecessary, it becomes no different than any other for-profit company in the real world. They find clients, give them offers, then start trying to cut deals to get more clients in on the equation. It's the greedy practice of our world, yet it's become acceptable since it doesn't directly violate anyone's rights. Law can't account for every moral code after all.

Hopefully there comes a time where artists like yourself, who need the support, can find a "haven" where they're not being overlooked by the system as a result of the greed of those running it. It's very understandable that you fear financial insecurity though, I think that's something everyone should fear, especially in this day and age when it's so difficult to recover from rock bottom. That kind of fear keeps us prepared and on our toes. I'm really sorry to hear that you haven't been hired for commissions lately!

If it would interest you, I'm actually considering hiring a second artist for my current game project, "Cryptic", to handle in game character portraits and possibly some concept work for some of the creatures in the game. I was originally planning to do all the artwork on my own, but I think I'd prefer having another artist to lighten the load, so I can focus on refining the pixel art and gameplay/mechanics, and your art style is very close, if not exactly what I'm looking for in those designs ^_^ The other big reason, is that my art tablet just recently broke so I have to get a new one, and I'd prefer to invest in a higher quality tablet this time around...


It's great that scoundrel isn't bothering you any more. I can imagine how annoying it would be to know they were constantly attempting to pester you. e_e I've had stalkers before, and it's not pleasant.
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah . . . it's astounding to see how little they care for the feedback of the people who make them money, too!  But they know we can't go anywhere else.  I mean, there's Tumblr . . . but it's formatted so differently and isn't dedicated to art.  Then there's FurAffinity . . . which doesn't appeal to all artists and is a FAR different atmosphere altogether.

I've gotten three so far this month!  All from friends.  QuQc  I only got one piece uploaded, though.  I have two more completed, but there's a third part to their order that I have yet to finish.  Then I have a piece I'm going to make for my third friend who donated to me.  I've got a few artists who are considering commissioning me when they get paid, so I'm hoping that they can!  It's not a lot of money, but it'll definitely buy me time and keep my bills paid until I can get hired somewhere.

Oh?  That sounds really interesting.  :0  The only person I helped with anything like that was my ex, but it might be interesting working on something like that.  I can't promise that my contribution will be anything great, though.  When it comes to concept art it's really hit or miss.  I end up disliking most concept art I make.

Yeah.  I haven't seen their name pop up in the corner for a few days, so I think they've given up.  It irritated me a little because THEY reached out to ME and then told ME to leave THEM alone.  :'D  BRUH.  DO YOU EVEN-
SAME.  This person, thankfully, isn't a stalker.  At least I don't believe they are. . .
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Saturn-Gaming Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're right for sure, DA has definitely taken it's stranglehold on the online art community. That being said, it's not a bad website persay, it simply turns what should be a community of like minded people into an insane auction house of struggling artists... wait, I guess that is pretty bad... =_=
Well, I've always been of the opinion that the art world is sadly overlooked by non-artists, mostly because art doesn't fit into the capitalist/industrial systems. Both the merit and downfall of creativity is that it lives outside those systems. You don't need to eat art, you don't drive a painting to work, and you wouldn't sleep on a statue. It's success and profit is entirely self dependent, based on personal skills/tastes, and relies even more heavily on demand than any other career. It's kind of a grey area in the professional world, and that's why it's so difficult to make it big on pure artistry, if at all.

It's good you're getting some support from your friends though! OvO You'll find a lot of people online who sympathize with you but can't really do anything since they struggle themselves, or simply don't have a means to pay for your content, so it's good to have a few reliable friends who have your back in a pinch. But you probably already figured that out xD
I sincerely hope things start turning around for you soon though, I know what it's like having to function on a barebones budget and it's really straining, both physically and mentally. All I can say, is to never give up on yourself, you have talent and you seem like a very genuine down to earth person, (which our world needs more of). I've come back from the brink of despair myself, and while it isn't easy, it helps mold you into who you truly want to be so long as you stick to your guns.

I'm happy you're interested! I'm not really tied to a strict deadline, because this is a personal project, so the time-frame for completing the designs is something I'd leave to your discretion ^_^ I'd also give you various creative liberties with the different creatures and races I request. I think you'd do a fine job, especially being able to pace yourself with each design OwO
If you want, I can message you with the details of the  project and story, that way you can make a more informed decision x3

Yeah, you don't want a stalker... it's traumatizing.

Aanyway, now that I've typed out a novel for you... xD
Apologies, I tend to rant passionately about my ideas, things, and stuff. It's just fun talking about these things with a like-minded person =3
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Saturn-Gaming Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sorry for the late reply, been a bit exhausted the past couple of days. e_e"

I feel your pain... it's hard when you have talent and love doing artwork for others, but there are so many equally talented artists in the pool that you get overlooked. In perspective, me wanting to hire you for the second artist position on my game is one less chance the other million undiscovered artists have to get a commission. It's not like my particular commission is that important, but giving to one takes away from another. I just happened to stumble across your page and liked your artwork at the right time. ^_^ You'll make it though, I believe in ya!

Like I said, my project doesn't have a strict deadline, so basically it would be whenever you're ready to start =P I'll compile some information and send it your way within the next day or so, so you can familiarize yourself with the story when you have the opportunity. I hope you like it... owo"
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly!  People would rather buy their weird expensive coffees and "special" waters or would rather blow money at a mall than spend it because it could help someone out.  It's annoying, but many people want things they can consume or use for more than a day.

Thanks, hon.  Yeah, it's kind of scary.  I'm trying to get myself out there and I'm really putting effort into the pieces I'm being paid for.  I am pretty enthusiastic when it comes to commissions nowadays.  I remember when I used to be able to pump out a few a day or several a week . . . but I was in junior high at the time and quality was not my strong point.  :'D  It was cheap, though, so people favored it back then.  I'm trying not to get too depressed, but sometimes it's hard when you're afraid no one will hire you.  I'm glad that things are going better for you, though!  You're so kind that you really deserve to be happy.  :')

Sure, go for it!  With me doing commissions and homework, though I prolly wouldn't be able to focus much on it for a few months.  ouo'  Not unless I did quick traditional sketches.

I can only imagine.  oAo

No, it's okay.  I do the same thing to people. . . >u>
AGREED, FRIEND.  I'm glad someone else is passionate in their conversation topics, as well!  X'D
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ButlerVicki Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think you should report them...
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Done it.  Now it's in the hands of the mods.  Who knows what they'll do, though.
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I advise reporting the person.
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Done.  Fingers crossed.  >A>
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MasterMitosi Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
kk
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Nekoekko Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
what the ever loving fuck is their problem, I'm so sorry they were a dickle to you.
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Dude, I dunno.  I was pissed that they were acting like that simply because they thought they were better than me because "my gender isn't real" and they're trans so "they're so much better than me."

WTF.  I told them that I didn't have issue with that and just- haoihgeg.  Some people are dumb.  OuOb
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Nekoekko Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
*protects you from dumdum* I will bite their pants leg
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Omfg, thank you noble warrior.
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Sapphire-Scribe Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry you had to deal with that person. :hug: 
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
It's going to be alright, hopefully.  They can't contact me anymore and I reported them.  We can only hope that they . . . get a wake up call if nothing else.
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AstronomyWitch Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016
Hey you like Matthias too? Cool!! :heart:
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, he's pretty funny.  I recently found him.  QuQ
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AstronomyWitch Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2016
Well I'm sure you'll like him. He is pretty funny.



//I recommend watching his Team Edge channel. He does challenges and silly stuff like that with J-Fred and Byran. If you don't already watch them. ^^
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I think his giggles are contagious.  Whenever he laughs I start giggling, too.  His vids just make me feel happy.  quqc

Oh?  I'm not sure who those people are, but I'll have to look some time!  :0
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AstronomyWitch Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2016
Yeah same here

J-Fred is his brother and Bryan is his brother-in-law??? ((He's married to Matthias' sister))
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
((Ohhhh.  Coolio~))
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AstronomyWitch Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2016
Yeah the more you know xD
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SavannaEGoth Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The More You Know 
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