Shop Forum More Submit  Join Login

Patreon - VATMOSS?

Journal Entry: Sat Aug 8, 2015, 3:54 PM

Hey everyone, not really coming up with bad news or something. Just worries; for instance that Patreon has a (I only saw this recently) new form. 
So, I thought it was another form to prove you are a 'real' person behind Patreon. Well, no this time they ask me to fill out a form for the IRS - I looked more into it, it is called: "vat Moss"

now, I went searching online and I found the one creepy thing after the other. Meaning any "donations" you receive as a help to start your project becomes your "income"
I can't have an income at the moment, disability, for now... 

So, I'm very confused as I read this: 

"The law applies to “broadcasting, telecommunications, and e-services that are electronically supplied”. The e-services definition applies to a surprising number of things, including images or text, such as photos, screensavers, e-books and other digitised documents e.g. PDF files, music, films and games, including games of chance and gambling games, and of programmes on demand, online magazines, website supply or web hosting services, distance maintenance of programmes and equipment, supplies of software and software updates, advertising space on a website..." ->… )

Of course, I started to panic. So, what is this? I'm not allowed to work on my projects anymore? Does this mean when finally the project is starting, I have to resign it? I can't stream anymore? 
I mailed Patreon and I still haven't gotten an answer. So in meantime, my Patreon has been temporary shut down. I know it might mean I have to completely 'shut' it down.

Though, I called my freelance bureau and they had no idea what even 'Patreon' is and this new Tax law. But filling this form will tell my state that I have a 'job' - this will cause a lot of troubles for someone who's in treatment. 

To be honest, I don't know what to do about this. I can't get commissions anymore? Comic's? Its all done? 

Can anyone help me with this? Giving me answers and solutions; I mailed Patreon a week ago and I still have no answer. I guess they don't mind losing an artist that has less than 1K donations. 

I just want to know what I am dealing with. 

Reasons why I got Patreon is because barely anyone is interested in commissions, unless when I write my busts down in the cheapest price. I understand it's hard for "everyone" - trust me, it's the same with me. I got Patreon so I could finally work on this comic. So I could have a bit more free time instead of whining how I never get any commissions. 

I'm just not lately feeling well when it comes to commission request; I get sometimes impossible requests that I have to say "no" to the commissioner. I'm lately not good in drawing +18 art; though I know they sell. But most people ask my character: "Sahtori" to be ... "under" it. This is making me hate my character, really, this is why "Carrie Phox" is gone. Because of the same requests. 

I start to see them as "porn" characters while I told myself that I wouldn't do this to my current character. She represents me; just like you all have your own character to show the world what you'd love to be, your weaknesses your strength. Having "Sahtori" acting like a little sl*t or wh*re is not part of my personality. Hence I refuse these drawings. I am deeply sorry. 

I want to show more and with Patreon I thought I was finally achieving this. I'm feeling pretty down about it and my hand is blocking again, for a moment I threw the towel into the ring until just a moment ago. I am asking now from all of you. "What is this, what can I do?"

Be safe

- Kay

.| Places 2 be |. 

Add a Comment:
the-stephy-powers Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
This is why I was always afraid to get one. I can't have any income as I get disability. (I mean sure you can, but you can get punished for it.) There are little rules around this. You can do commissions, but request cash only and have checks mailed to your address. They can't trace cash. You are allowed to have $20 to yourself out of your 'check' so maybe you can sneak in enough on your debit card or whatever to fool them into thinking your job is only $20 a month. Explain to them you are a 'starving' artist. Only reveal to someone after a commission that you require the money to be mailed to you and not charged to your card. It would be all lies though. If you're disabled you can't ever work. You can't try to make a living and you can't do anything with your life. Try calling the bureau and asking them if you got a job paying like $100 a month how much would your disability suffer because you're looking into working.
blackdog1232 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2015  Hobbyist
UniverseDreams Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Student Digital Artist
That doesn't sound good. :/ Unfortunately, I don't know enough about it to really offer help, but I hope the Patreon customer service replies to you and it gets sorted out. In the meantime, maybe you could try for commissions here on DA again? Or try on some other art/donations website? I wish I could help more... :huggle:
mr-comissions Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I did some thumbing around and I found this:…

This part caught my eye(the bold part especially):

Any person selling digital services (which means actually anything from e-books, mp3, wallpapers, photos, subscriptions to a site, etc. - actually anything except separate unique commissions or a live presentation/podcast) to customers in EU countries should follow this legislation.

This means technically, you could possibly still do commissions, though I'm not 100% sure.

Just thought I'd share that.
Sahtori-Kamaya Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
yeah, maybe that's the only way, commissions ...
firephoenixx456 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015
I don't know what this means but I do know what vatmoss is. it's basically the europen sales tax I remember there was a big fuss a few months ago when they expanded it to include online stuff
Sahtori-Kamaya Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
So that means that the donation system has to be taxed? Because for the moment with my treatment, if I put this in registration, they will think I have a job and I can get a serious fine for that. 

I haven't paid much attention lately, I was very sick the past few months ... 

Oh dear ...
firephoenixx456 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015
Add a Comment:

:iconsahtori-kamaya: More from Sahtori-Kamaya

More from DeviantArt


Submitted on
August 8, 2015


1 (who?)