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The Yellow Man's Burden by RvBOMally The Yellow Man's Burden by RvBOMally
Continuing my recent series of "fancy map worlds," here is the world of the Asian-colonized Europe I made for MotF 118.

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  • The PoD is Ögedei Khan living about a decade more, allowing the Mongols to expand into Europe uninterrupted. They absolutely wreck the place, even destroying Rome to the point that it isn't resettled until centuries later. The Papacy fled to England, which the Mongols tried to invade William the Conqueror style, but got defeated.
  • In the meanwhile, the Song Dynasty is never fully conquered, and while no industrial revolution starts, the Song do attempt to flee Mongol rule by fleeing southward. This leads to the creation of a southern Chinese naval mentality, and spreads Chinese knowledge throughout Southeast Asia and even to Japan.
  • The Japanese and proto-Filipinos end up being the premier colonizers in the early days, with the Japanese moving down the Pacific Coast of America. The Song Dynasty and their successors focus more on the Indian Ocean. The Chinese, particularly the southern Chinese, come in later and colonize South America.
  • Later, after the sun sets on the Japanese empire, particularly after the independence of Great Yamato (think an Asian, geographically mirrored United States), the two Chinese states take over. Surprisingly, northern China, which has overthrown the Mongol dynasty long ago, becomes an ardent adopter of naval strength, and after several wars with their southern neighbors (ending in a revolution creating the Nanfang Republic), become the premier naval power. The Dragon rules the waves. They also spread slavery around the New World, and start colonizing Africa to get more slaves. African slaves are particularly popular on the Atlantic coast, since they're easier to ship over than Chinese peasants.
  • Europe is colonized en masse in the 18th century, out of imperialistic expansionism more than anything else, as it had been nothing more than a curiosity beforehand. Europe was devastated by Mongol rule, which gave way to Magyar and then Frankish rule, and was stuck in the Middle Ages when the first Japanese gunboats showed up. By the 18th century, the European powers still had serfdom and their knowledge of gunpowder was limited, while the Asians had already fought wars that look like big budget reenactments of Napoleon's greatest campaigns.
  • Tech is a little behind; about a century, to be exact, and the alliance systems seem to be set up to have a WWI setup. Luckily, the two blocs don't actually hate each other that much, and there have been no arms races or conflicts over the decaying Ghurkan or Timurid khanates yet. In the meanwhile, Great Yamato is making big bucks.
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123456789JD Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
What is religion like in this universe?
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metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2016  Student Writer
yamato-england
chen-spain
nanfang-france
duruk-habsburg empire
ghurkan-italy
daiviet-germany
syama-belgium
tagalog-portugal
golden khanate-russia (duh)
england-japanese empire, with the netherlands as korea
allemand-a highly fractured chinese empire
rum-india?
grand yamato-america
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Scrapknight-507 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016
Kinda nitpicky, but what exactly happened to Japan to turn it into a "Kingdom" of "Yamato"? By the 1200s the Imperial line was pretty well established and referred to as such, so a "king" showing up seems pretty unlikely. Unless, I suppose, if the Mongols invaded and killed the Imperial family and installed someone of their own, but even then I doubt it would stick. I *guess* a Shogun could assume the title of "king," but that was problematic too; in fact, the reason why the Tokugawa shogunate didn't do it when the Emperor had no power, despite the hereditary nature of the position was that Japan needed a king to be a proper Confucian state but already had the Emperor, who despite not ruling still reigned. Thus, the Shogun called himself a "great prince," or taikun - tycoon, as we might say.

I'm not an expert on medieval Japanese linguistics either, but I don't think the country has ever been referred to as "Yamato" at any point. It is a word used to describe the Japanese race, but it would be akin to the "Federal Republic of German" or something. Is it just called that in Europe and still "Nihon" domestically?

Despite all that, I love this one; it's one of my favorites. A few questions:

- Is Japanese the lingua franca, considering the Britain parallels and just how much of the world they own?
- Is Grand Yamato as economically / politically / culturally as powerful as the OTL US?
- How did Occitania avoid colonization, exactly?
- How lousy is colonial rule in Europe, and Ireland in particular? Besides Syama, who has the lightest / heaviest hand in their colonies?
- Is there an Occitan counterpart to "The King and I"? :p
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
The Mongols did invade a third time, and while their "dynasty' was thrown out eventually, it managed to last long enough that the imperial lineage was in question. That meant a few more centuries of uncertain times and periodic warfare. The current leaders of Japan are technically "king" and "emperor" of Japan. 

Yamato is just a convenient naming term used by whatever interdimensional travel agency made this. :p It's called Nihon domestically. 

1. Japanese is the lingua franca in their empire and Grand Yamato. This may change later on in history.
2. Yes.
3. By being a buffer zone between the colonial powers. 
4. The Nanfang tend to be the most heavy-handed, while the Chen are 
5. Hah, sure. 
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016
How are Europeans doing? Do the Asian colonists keep treating them like shit?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
They're doing okayish. 
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InfernoMole Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2016
How are the Slavs? The ones inhabiting the Golden Khanate, to be exact?
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015
So, let me get this straight:
yamato-england
chen-spain
nanfang-france
duruk-poland and lithuania
ghurkan-italy
daiviet-germany
syama-belgium or holland, i don't know
tagalog-portugal
golden khanate-russia (duh)
england-japanese empire, with the netherlands as korea
allemand-a highly fractured chinese empire
kemet-not sure
rum-india?
grand yamato-america, fuck yeah
norska-also not sure
one more thing, how do nanfang's colonies in europe survive if they are sandwiched between allemand and chen colonies? What would happen to them if a war between both blocs broke out?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Kemet and Norska are not analogous to anything. Syama is Belgium. Duruk is the Habsburg Empire. 

Nanfang can travel through Allemand, a right they gained after being Allemand in a war. The place is screwed if war happens between the two blocs. 
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015
Also, why is this world technologically backwards? I heard that the mongols once valued science.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
They also burned down a lot of cities.
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016
Well, so much for their plans for a secular and prosperous empire.
also, china colonized svalbard? Who the hell wants to colonize svalbard? It isn't even for prestige, it's just a bunch of isolated ice...
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Prestige. There aren't any Chinese permanently settled there, just a lonely outpost.
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2016
So, it's been a long time since i've been analyzing and studying forums on AH.com, so i'm here to ask a complex question. Maybe the last in this reply chain.
If the east asians already have a lot of resources in their territory, what exactly *drove* them to start colonizing other regions, other than fervent racism-nationalism and prestige? 
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Fleeing Mongols, fervent nationalism and prestige, and the author saying so. 
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SinaDelendaEst Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2015
If the Tagalogs are the Portugal analogue, what is the Brazil analogue? From the colors it could be Chulin (which actually IS Brazil geographically lol), but that's a Chinese-sounding name.
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
There was no Brazil analogue. 
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avssilvester Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2015
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Awesome stuff!
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avssilvester Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2015
we find some parallells of this world with world of "Ordus'" from nowels of russian writer Holm van Zaichik ) but there PoD was one (or two?) centures later
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
I'm unfamiliar with that. Care to give me a rundown? 
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avssilvester Featured By Owner Edited Oct 19, 2015
I was wrong, PoD - 1260.
Alexander Nevsky after winner from Tevtonia make alians with Golden Horde

The history of this country began in the twentieth century, when Alexander Nevsky and his sworn brother, the son of Batu Sartak, which came after the death of his father in the Horde throne, agreed to partner merger of Holy Russia and the Golden Horde for the benefit of their peoples into a single state of law, where dictatorship of law will prevail. Efforts were successful, and by having power flourished. One and a half centuries later the Mongol Yuan dynasty was expelled from China after the death of the emperor new Ming dynasty began a new long civil war. Deadly tired of turmoil and strife Celestial Empire chose to join the Ordusi the rights of one of the district.

ru.althistory.wikia.com/wiki/%…
you can use google translate for all article
It's I think interesting site for you, many historical information that you never get in english-language sites
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2015
1. What's the main religion in Kemet?
2. What are these little territorial divisions in Allemand? Principalities? Viceroyalties?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
1. Islam. 
2. Sub-kingdoms. 
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1. Well, since islam is a "cool" religion ITTL, i assume the Duruk and Timurid khanates are muslim too. Are they?
2. Are the british angered over the irish question?
3. Is confucianism becoming popular in colonized europe?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
1. Yes. 
2. Somewhat, but not really. Ireland isn't considered to be an integral part of England. 
3. Somewhat, but only among the assimilated upper classes. 
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What's culture like ITTL? Do they look like your typical 19th-early 20th century asian or is their fashion so outworldly that a dimensional traveller form OTL would find it hilarious?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
The latter.
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BadgingBadger Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2015
1. you have stated that allemand wasn't colonized by the mongols, but i see it has "khanate" in its name. why?
2. has allemand, at one point in history, controlled france?
3. did the norska khanate pop itself into existence because of intermixture between vikings and slavs who were fleeing from the mongols?
4. what are the predominant religions in this alternate universe?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
1. It was conquered, but it was never assimilated into the Mongol system. And in this world, "khanate" is like "republic;" everyone wants to be one. 
2. No.
3. It's some of that, but the Mongols also conquered Scandinavia. 
4. Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, various polytheistic religions. 
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grisador Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015
I know The technology is behing Bug does that stops people (slave) rights commendments & such ?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
The world is socially in the mid-19th century, at least in Asia.
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grisador Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015
Oh; then The racism sistem will stay that way for a very long time
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
More or less. 
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grisador Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2015
Sadly thought
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UncleRice Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Interesting. I always though China would have done better if the Ming dynasty hadn't existed. Isolation and stagnation seem to be empire killers, regardless of how well things go during the period of isolation and stagnation.
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, there's also a lot of stuff on possible Song Chinese industrialization. The Mongols ruined a lot of things. :p
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UncleRice Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Nomads never build anything that lasts, and respect nothing that lasts.
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jrh222 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015
Was the English Empire at one point under Asian rule? If so, by who?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
No, it's been independent for its entire history.
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KuboCaskett Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Student General Artist
If that's so, I hate to see it go down the path of OTL's Imperial Japan.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
It isn't, it's just in a similar situation to Japan. 
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KuboCaskett Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Student General Artist
Well then is there some Anglohilia ITTL as Japanophilia is to OTL?
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
No. The English are seen as marginally interesting, but Asia focuses on Asia. Europe is just a backwater. 
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Laputa-Scorefinger Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015
Cool. :) My first instinct is that Yamato is more than a wee bit wanked, but then again, IOTL Britain wasn't exactly reasonable in its success, either. Still, who travels across the entire globe to colonize Greenland?

What's Norska and Allemand like, in terms of religion/culture/language/government? A Germanic-Mongolic culture sounds like it could be very interesting.
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RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Greenland was colonized during rhe "new imperialism" stage, and was taken for prestige reasons.

They're Christian and Mongol influence isn't as strong as in other places because it collapsed sooner. The identities of both states is more pan-German and pan-Scandinavian.
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Laputa-Scorefinger Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015
Though "khanate" just sounds cooler than "kingdom". :P
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
Everyone in Europe wants to be called a khan because the title carries a lot of prestige.
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Laputa-Scorefinger Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2015
*I* want to be called a khan, does that make me an interversal traveler hailing from TTLs Europe? :O
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