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Sun Nov 27, 2005, 10:45 AM
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WARNING: This journal entry is by no means the thoughts of anyone else other than rgNet, and alot of you will be highly offended by the content in it, so i warn you, go ahead, read it, flame me, insult me, i dont give one damn.
But before you read this, remember, I love being on deviantART but I just hate what it's become.

Some of you might be stating 'I'm a deviant! and proud of it!</u>' but what are deviants, and are any of you even aware of the connotations that brings up in people these days?
deviantART once was a good place, back in the early years (year more like it though) of its existance, where it was actually only known by people who had talent, and didnt submit pure bullcrap to the site because they had an internet connection and a cheap wacom tablet or camera their parents bought them for christmas.

Not to say that all of the work here is crap, but I must say the majority of it is.
I'll tell you what I find on this site at any given time when I surf it.
  • A crappy quaility photo of someones boobs which they took to show off some nudity.
  • An angsty poem some emo kid wrote whilst thinking of the 'evil's of the globalised world.
  • Some kid who's gotten a photo and taken a picture of last nights dinner which is still on their desk.
  • porn
  • porn
  • more porn


Tell me, whats the most popular work on this site? FEMALE EROTIC NUDITY.  Oh we all know why, the majority of people on this site must be perverts! No, dont tell me, your looking at it coz its art? Or, you accidentally gave it a favorite and submitted it to be a Daily Deviation, yeh, likely story.
Why is it that Male Nudity is rarely seen, and never given credit, when female nudity is always (and in gratuous form) seen given 500+ favorites and in the Daily Deviation module? Perhaps you'll say 'Public Demand.' But does that mean if the public wanted to see gratuously violent and sexual images on the DD, they'd put it there? I think not. Though I've seen things which could be considered that bad.

The website could do with alot more administrative work, but I doubt thats going to happen anytime soon. Because the problem with deviantART is this, as i was told once.
The problem is its a community where anything can be uploaded. The sites purpose is the sites problem. What makes it good, makes it bad.

People outside dA consider this place to be a place for Crap Artists to submit Crap Art, and thus people decide they can submit crap art, propetuating the problem further.
And for that I must say i am utterly SICK and TIRED of seeing it.
People should start actually taking some pride in what they submit.
I will not submit work unless i consider it finished and well done. Regardless what you people think of my work, i'll only submit it if im happy with it and find it to have some form of artistic merit.

This isnt the last you'll hear from me on this issue. But for now, im not going to say much as its 5:30 in the morning, and im tired.
:yawn:

if your wishing to become a featured deviant on my journal, please send me a note with a link to one deviation. And spread the word.
disclaimer; rgNet speaks his own mind, and wishes to appologise before hand, incase he acts like a complete idiot.



all work in my gallery is 2005 rgNet
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:iconevil-captain-bob:
evil-captain-bob Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2006  Professional Artist
No, I'm looking at it because it's naked women, and lots of it.

It's why we're on the internet in the first place.
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poisonedgift Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2005
well, i find the issues interesting, but there's no real solution to this.
about the subscriptions i agree with nytro-glicerine.
about nudity yeah i agree that mostly sucks but even so, imagine, if people submit nudity as stock to be worked in an artistic way, they can't forbid others about making it look porno, or they had to only allow exposure of works done with that stock after view, and that would make people search for other stock (because no one is interested in spending hours, days, whatever working, and then receive a "i don't like the theme, idea, art, so you can't submit it), and yes there's a problem about male and women nudity, but simply because nowadays people tend to find the women body more appealing, and so there's an obvious larger number of works based on women nudity than on male. still, this is a society/mentality problem and not a *deviantART* problem. Just look at your tv, at the newspaper, at the ads on internet, most of it has a sexual connotativity. But still i think we should speak about this.
About emo poems... well i write alot (poetry mainly but in portuguese and i'm also working in a book right now, althoug i've got about 4/5 works in english here on dA you may check it and so my gallery and give me your opinion ;) ) and i don't really like emo, but people should go and write about what they feel (and our greatest mistake is to judge others cuz noone is the same). At last, i think that there's a big problem and it's in the eye of the viewer and admins and not on people who submitt whatever they like, just because a simple thing, if the viewers really enjoyed art they would ignore everything that's not art... Second ... you must not forget... artists usually only get the deserved attentio after death, mostly because they are visionaires, and that means they're ahead in their time.
i liked to read this. and gonna watch you ;)
oh and about the features and stuff you make, go see my gallery and tell me what you think ;). keep up
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2005   Digital Artist
thanks for understanding. :) and indeed it is a problem with the world, not deviantART.
However there is one problem on deviantART; its become a dumping ground. People see they can put crap on it, so they put stuff which they havent put much work into..And you can tell if someones done work on stuff, even if it aint that good, you can tell if they worked alot on it or just threw it together..

if u understand
thanks for the watch :D
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:iconpoisonedgift:
poisonedgift Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2005
yep i understand.
and you're welcome ;)
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:iconmasea:
Masea Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2005
yeah, i'm pretty much here for friends as well, which makes me kind of sad and pathetic feeling, lol. the same thing happened with the last two 'art' sites i posted on, so what can i say?

nice that someone stood up and said something though.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2005   Digital Artist
heh, i got alot of shit from people for actually standing up and saying stuff. but thanks :D
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:iconggg-gina:
GGG-Gina Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2005   Photographer
he spread the word, and i compltly agree with u... the whole porn and DD stuff pisses me right off...
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Dreaming-Neon-Black Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2005
I agree, you get people with a DD for the merest tatty little doodle. I also agree on the porn thing. It's rediculous that so many people are having their true art ignored because of all the perverts and emo kid poems.
Well said, my friend.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2005   Digital Artist
=D tyty. you should get more people to read this, i wanna see what people think.
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Dreaming-Neon-Black Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2005
ok :)
i will spread the word :D
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kayana Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
i totally agree with u... i hate that porn stuff, and they call that art and post it in the main window as great art... WHATS WRONG WITH DEVIANTART!!!
i love to write emo or not, i love to draw, and photomanipulate also but naked ppl is not art... is just a picture :stab:
no progress, no special effects added, not an original idea... and specially not everybody can see it.
what if a kid open it's page and sees those pics at the cprner of his\her page?
DEVIANTART... IS... FOR... EVERYBODY!!!...
now i'm acting insane... do u think i'm right also?
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005   Digital Artist
well i think nudity can be artistic (as ancient art always involved nudity) but was never or at least rarely sexualised in the way modern artists do it. They've made the picture erotic, and not artistic...
And i beleive it shouldnt be allowed here on deviantART unless your like, a subscriber or something, uploadable only by subscribers, viewable only by subscribers, to make sure little kids dont see it and get warped.
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:iconkayana:
kayana Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2005  Hobbyist General Artist
well yeah, sometimes a good pose nude can make art, but featured deviants are always doing things on purpose and other artists who put a lot of effort on their art are never there...and yeah i must agree they turn nudity into porn, last week i saw a deviation of a woman tied on a table naked... and for the position looks like u are about to rape her... how can they call THAT Art?
and also i think nudity should be only allowed by subscribers or if they like tht stuff... not everybody likes the same, anyway i can't say i'm a nun for think this... but i have my niece on DA and i wouldn't like she sees that :disbelief:
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2005   Digital Artist
i agree with you on that :D
i wouldnt want any kid to see any of the nudity / violence which is on this site =\
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:iconlady-aerowyn:
Lady-Aerowyn Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
I do believe that you are victim to your own argument.

:bulletred: An angsty poem some emo kid wrote whilst thinking of the 'evil's of the globalised world.

Let me direct you to your OWN poem, "Decay - Welcome to the End".

If that isn't emo with an "I hate the world" attitude, I don't know what is.

.. so don't complain about people writing "emo" poetry when you are victim to writing it yourself, sir.


And yes, I do agree that the majority of the artwork on this site is very poor, but remember that this is an art community. They join this site hoping to put up their work, get constructive criticism, see various artworks in their particular genre, and get better from it. Understand that we're all not Suzi9mm or Maui or Angy-Chan. We all can't be Hail-NekoYasha or Zeiva or Norli. We aren't all artistically brilliant. Art, like everything else on this earth, takes practice. And deviantART is a way to get that practice. Looking at various styles of one genre helps one to develop their own style of drawing, and so they improve.

... you don't honestly expect perfection in each deviant, do you?

If you say yes, or that you aren't sure, then I'd say that you're horribly shallow.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005   Digital Artist
"Decay - Welcome to the End". wasnt an angsty poem, it was a poem trying to show off something about an addiction, not an "i hate the world" attitude, coz frankly, i love the world, and i love life :) And actually, i dont really think there is much wrong with Angsty poetry, (but i do hate emo music lol)

And im not saying that EVERYONE's art sucks or has to conform to anything.
I'm talking about the people who join to show off stuff because they CAN, and not to get better, but just be ere coz they can.
Though who post snapshots to get seen and not to get better..

Get what im trying to say yet?
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:iconlady-aerowyn:
Lady-Aerowyn Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
The phrase, " Its a fucked up world we live in" kind of attests otherwise.

And I posted a comment to give my two cents worth--not to start an argument. I could care less about people who put up artwork just because. I don't have to look at it--I'm a subscriber; I can use the search engine, or I can browse a different gallery. I rarely look at photography anyway.

I show off my stuff because I can, and no one's ever hassled me about that. Mainly I use my gallery as a timeline of my skills. The beginning of my gallery is dreadful. ... but it's really cool to see how I've progressed.

... and there you have it. No argument needed here.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005   Digital Artist
fair enough, sorry to argue. but im just not an emo poetry writer :) lol.
i was just in a bad mood coz something really bad had happened =\
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ShootT0Kill Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
i for one am damn sure tired of seeing 12 year old boobs submit as "art"...or better yet, 40 year old boobs as "Art". and the other half million other shitty things i see on this site. well written.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005   Digital Artist
yeh true.. i hate that too >_<
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alexwise Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005  Hobbyist Photographer
I hear you mate,

I look through the photography section sometimes and question "how the fuck is this art and not just a snapshot."
I see so many photos from people who just take random happy snaps then put them in the art category? What's up with this? I feel it brings the quality level of DA down so much :( My deviations arn't the best nor are they the worst, I'm a learning photographer who posts on here to gain criticism from other photographers in hope of improving my skill but I feel others just post as a form of hosting to show their friends?

I feel if this was only pay per view there would be so much shit still floating around, alot of people arn't here for the art but are more here for the community spirit and just to be part of a 'cool' site.

I sometimes wish there was a clone of deviantart (same look etc) minus the crap.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005   Digital Artist
i feel you mate.. *looks at your work to help ya*
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nitro-glycerine Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
I'll admit that there is too much crap amaetur stuff that floods dA, but what can you expect from a free, community website? (I know you mentioned that) Perhaps if DeviantART was by subscription only it would solve this problem - but then that would lead us back to the dark ages where only wealthy caucasion males could be artists.. instead of the postmodern attitude of the artist being simply whoever creates art, and just what is art is subjective.

As for the nudes though, I've seen and favourited plenty of male nudes. I know that is only my experience, but I know for a fact that there are quite a few talented photographers interested in the genre.

Anyway, I've been on quite a few rants like this also - mostly about the shit quality of the poetry. But it seems like a lot of people are quick to accuse others of uploading bad quality work, instead of first making sure that they aren't the ones doing it also.
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rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
heh true true.
i've seen some good male nudity, and some good female nudity.
but yeh. i know hrrm lot of the poems here suck too :D
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Kaitokuro1412 Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
:nod: your opinion rocks dude. there was once somebody that would steal people's characters, and draw them in porn on DA. how desperate is that? im not saying im good, but there are so many goddamn crap artists who only have porn. as a girl, i find it offensive that people put pics of naked women and oggle them all day with an excuse of saying that its 'art' when people with real talent are ignored--ive seen alot of these goddamn porno pics with all these faves and i wander off to an unknown deviant's page who has like 10 pageviews, been on for a year, and a really great gallery.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
hehe yeh. if they want porn they could go to a porn site ey? =P not ruin dA for us!
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Kaitokuro1412 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
yep ^^
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:iconneddiedrow:
neddiedrow Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
1. This is a great way to get pageviews.
2. I'm not accusing you.
3. Yes, crap art is a problem. The fav and comment system should deal with that though.
4. People who don't comment is a worse issue. It contributes to this one.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
i didnt even think i'd get page views from this, but i've gotten like 380 since i posted this last night.
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:iconneddiedrow:
neddiedrow Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
Indeed.
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:iconcockerham:
cockerham Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
I don't think people submit crap art on purpose, it is just from new people that are TRYING to be into art. So they submit the first thing they've ever done. And I know that the majority of them are little "gothic punk rock" kids that think being into art makes them more punk, so they submit crap thinking that they are cool. No one looks at their websites anyway, so who cares?

As for the female nudity, of COURSE female nudity is going to be on here, it gets more people looking at it, AND it is definitely less hasrsh to look at than male nudity, lol. There is a lot of female nudity though, and it is kind of bullshit that that is always on the today's favorites page.
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rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
Yeh, true that female nudity is looked at more..
top 2 things on the internet these days
porn and ufos... but i dunno if its in that order ;)
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:iconneddiedrow:
neddiedrow Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
What about ufo porn?
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
lmao!! imagine that ;P
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:iconneddiedrow:
neddiedrow Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2005
The truth IS out there...
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:iconorphyen:
orphyen Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
Agreed, I have the same feelings sometimes toward DA. I have been seeing alot of Porn lately on this site. And it sickins me. Right on, I am totally with you. You have to get more people to see this. :aww:
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
thank you my friend :D
but the people who read it in the forum '[link] dont agree .. grr @ them
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:iconorphyen:
orphyen Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
Well, FUCK them. They can jerk off at the nudity all they want. But what you say will eventually make a difference. And we should and ALL should bring DA back to the main purpose. And bring out the TRUE DA.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
:highfive:
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:iconorphyen:
orphyen Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
:aww: :spyed:
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:iconfinch-ze-leprechuan:
Finch-ze-leprechuan Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
dude you're totally right. people do send in utter crap and then go on the forums going ''look at my gallery look at my gallery'' Deviantart isnt about the art these days. its about porn ...porn and might i add ..more porn?

i'm sick of this, but then how can we stop crap people joining Deviantart?...we can't so i guess we'll have to put up with it.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
True. seems some people disagree with me though :lmao: thier own perogative though :)
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:iconfinch-ze-leprechuan:
Finch-ze-leprechuan Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2005
lol doesnt that mean they are just there for the porn or they are just crap at drawing?
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rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2005   Digital Artist
probably they're just being defensive, thinking im insulting everyone :shrug:
but then again, most people on deviantART seem not to be able to handle the truth of things.
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Finch-ze-leprechuan Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2005
true. they can't but then they should open their eyes and look at how much porn is being downloaded onto deviantART. its quite sad really. they have to learn to accept the truth.
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2005   Digital Artist
they wont look, thats the problem. :shrug:

thing is i have reasons for hating all this stuff, besides just thinking its disgusting, but anyway :lmao: who knows, one day people will understand the way i do.
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Finch-ze-leprechuan Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2005
yes one day in the far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far future....you get the point that there is wayyyy wayy more fars to be added :)
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:iconrgnet:
rgnet Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2005   Digital Artist
hehe
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quickdraw Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005
I honestly have given up on finding a lot of really good art here on this site, but I do know there are SOME out there who deliver on the good stuff.

I'm just mainly hanging around now for friends and to help out where needed and when guidance is needed.

:heart:
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rgnet Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2005   Digital Artist
indeed. 10 points for u ;P
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