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It's a weird coincidence that I currently got a handful of people asking wether or not I give/could give classes/mentorship/advice stuff, just after getting a final push to look into Patreon.
So before I even sign up, I wanted to ask for some feedback first.

Because on one hand, I am already very public with whatever I've got done, or am currently working on; so in the area of getting more original content from me, I wouldn't want to divide it up between deviantart and Patreon. I still want to keep deviantart my number one site for people looking for the closest thing of a complete archive of my art.
So, content-wise, I could offer to share more sketches,, inbetween shots of work in progress stuff over on Patreon.
And if I made tutorial videos, I would want to post them on youtube too; but there I guess I could give patreons the ability to vote on what should come next?

Then on the other side, I could offer things like art-critique for anyone interested (you send me art-pieces of yours, and I comment on how I would execute the thing you had in mind, make a video of it or smth??) I know of artists who keep a discord chat for their Patreons, for discussions and specific questions too.
Though on the whole educational side of things, I'm a bit hesitant, since I have no experience with giving classes or anything like that; If I weren't so obsessed with getting the current commission list done, I would even be looking for online classes myself :I

So a major disclaimer for anything educational, would be that I'm learning just as much as you guys are,, I'm at best just the one in the group who gives suggestions, trying to figure stuff out at the same pace as anyone else. I could maybe "host" things like weekly study sessions, where we tackle singular topics. I myself would like to do some proper studies myself, so that would give me quite the incentive to actually just do it (things I would want to tackle: specific in detail anatomy, landscape, robotics, more portraits, more figure drawing, texture rendering??)

Other extra stuff could be stuff like, full length recording of my process videos?

So to recap, I could offer:
-sketches, WIP's
-full length, or at least not as sped-up footage of my process videos
-""classes""??? study-groups?? art-critique???


If you have any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations; please don't hesitate to comment!
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puppyskulls Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2018
honestly if you have time for it, i would adore the idea of a discord for patreons and weekly study sessions, we could even have multiple people screensharing and like, live critiques, or just learning together? it all sounds fun and motivating! and i would definitely love to support you!
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slagsniper Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i really think what you're doing is already great. Patreon is just another way of supporting artists when people dont have enough to commission all the time and instead give the artist $1 or more every month. You don't have to do anything extreme. The ones you suggested are good like WIPS and such but classes might have to be an issue. dont bite off more than you can chew you feel? i wouldnt recommend guaranteeing classes with a deadline if you're unsure you can be somewhat consistent. Maybe you can do an art raffle every once a while ??
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Vizzixi Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I believe Patreon is scrapping the $1 faction though, alot of friends are losing alot of support due to this. ^^ Just wanted to drop that here.
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Eastrider Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2017
I think the main question that needs to be asked and solved first and foremost, before anything else: Do you intend your Patreon to become a paywall for any, or all of your artwork content?

Once you have an answer for that, you can continue completing the details. Either way, making a fair Patreon normally always follows the same basic rules, in general.
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SOLIDShift Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I say you do you? XD

I'm still trying to get a patreon up. I haven't even launched it -- it's just been sitting there --
cuase like there are maybe 3 people that even know I exist. XD
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Rockwell-Light Featured By Owner Edited Nov 27, 2017   General Artist
The best advice I ever got for Patreon and that I like to give others is this: Do what you're already doing. Don't over promise or reach for more when you start, because you're just going to stress yourself out. I use my Patreon to show more steps of the process, so it's a lot of WIPs and advice. I also put all of my little doodles there that aren't really complete works, and only post them here as a sketch dump. This way patrons and non patrons alike will still eventually see all my works, but those on dA and tumblr will have just a tad bit of wait time and won't always get the individual pieces ^^; Some people also do early access, so post finished pieces/videos there a few days or months before sharing it publicly, but I think that timescale depends entirely on your output.

Biggest point is do what you already do, don't start offering a lot of big promises because you're only one person and while it's cool to have big goals or want to reward every patron individually, there's only so much time between commissions, gifts, and personal art to also do that stuff.

If you're still lacking inspiration, check out the pages of some artists you like and see what they're doing!
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EyeMeat Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
after the offhand help youve given me upon request, im very intrigued at the thought of consistent (or even semi consistent) tip and tricks for drawing. i dont have any money right now, but lucky for you im finally at that age where i can start scoping out my first actual job. it may take a while to build up the funds to help, but if i can, then youll likely be one of my first investments. anything can happen though, so dont feel too down put if i cant. looking forward to whatever you decide to do.
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DeltaSpector Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
I think patreon might help you earn more and maybe while teaching others, they might help you learn new things they might be more familiar with.
I'm no expert on this stuff but it may be helpful for you.😁👍🏻
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Glo72 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Digital Artist
What is patron .u. I'd rather you critique my art :3 or you make us a reference sketch I don't get enough critique but when I do I'm so thankful 
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Remarin Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student
www.patreon.com/
It's a platform where people can "subscribe" to individual creators by paying whatever amount they want to each month. Many artists and youtubers have become able to actually live off of Patreon support :0 Each creator can decide for themselves, what "reward" their patrons will get for their support
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Glo72 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Digital Artist
A step by step like this would be halp ful sta.sh/010o8n3ayvaf <example
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bloominglove Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017
You could do an earlier release of your work on Patreon. Some people do NSFW on Patreon and SFW on DA, but not sure if its your thing. Do some Q&A?
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KyKur Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think this could be a really good idea!
Just a little input:
If you still want to post little tutorials here on dA you could post higher-quality and more in-depth ones over on Patreon.
That's all I got, I feel like others have done this topic justice.
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I think you are on the right track there. Usually, the trick is in giving the Patreons that small little thing more over non-patrons. Not so much about cutting features you normally give out.

From what I have seen, the additional stuff can be (amongst others):

- no-sped up videos of progress
- patreon streams
- PSD files (tho you work on one layer by the end of the picture, but listing it here)
- step-by-step explanation on your progress (can be done through the mentioned discord channel)
- on the theme of discord channel - a lot of patreons have one to build up a community they can easily connect with (with it being free and real-time)
- some people do sort of request day where they pick a random patreon who will get a free comish (tho these are usually patreons with very high price tiers where they basically already covered the cost of commission) or sketch
- voting on next non-commission picture 
- creating some sort of monthly PDF file with that months sketches gathered in it, some studies (e.g. wolf anatomy, dragon anatomy and the like)
- discounts on commissions
- dibs or patreon specific slots when commissions open (or separate list)
and many more..

Point is, you have to set up and be clear about what you are doing from the get-go. First question is - do I have time for monthly uploads (or at least be active in a discord community)? If yes, then it is really only a question of what YOU want your community to look like.

And if you feel bad about gating content to non-payers, you can always be clear about an intention that some months later some (or all) of the content will be made free. If it's communicated clearly then no patron will feel cheated as they will be subbed with that in mind.

Patreon is really about what community the artist wants. If you want elitist bunch then gut your content and only sell it through patreon. If you want a merry bunch of fans enjoying creating art, give them a platform to interact (patreon discord) and that will be pmuch all they need. Especially if you are active and send tidbit progress pictures and the like.

EDIT: Just wanted to add a final thought - your community will evolve over time so do not worry too much about your start. The patrons will most likely request additional features through interaction, especially if its real-time based like Discord. You will always be able to brainstorm stuff and adjust what is already there.
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Corgi-Legs Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student General Artist
Uploading WIPs and rough sketches to Patreon is a wonderful idea. However, sometimes, YouTube videos or video tutorials in general are hard to produce regularly. Perhaps written or drawn tutorials/tips in a sort of "template" page with instructions would be better for you because you're already so active with your commissions.

Perhaps you could upload your finished pieces to Patreon before DeviantArt with a month gap between them - it would mean DeviantArt would still be used as an archive for all of your brilliant work but it would also give Patreon subscribers more to look forward to.
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Sikkol Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Artisan Crafter
Id suggest several things here:

First thing you should ask yourself:
Do I have enough time for this?
- tutoring, making sessions etc. taks a lot of time to prepare for beforehand  = especially if you want to have some decent level of "tutoring"

Make sure you really want to do this:
- try it out, see what happens
- if it is not something that brings you joy and you really like spending your time doing it, there is no point in doing so

About the tutoring part:
- make sure people know you don't tutor or teach professionaly
- make sure people know, they pay you to help you, in exchange for your experience you share with them

Reward system:
- its good that you want to keep your dA going the way it is, not to separate two ways
- try to think of some kind of "reward" system like you said = personal help with someones ideas, maybe redraw quickly their sketches to show your perspective and to inspire them

But most importantly remember: Is the money and the activities you do (Patreon in particular) worth your time? If yes, fuckin do it! If no, you wont last to do it anyway, or you will be really sad and feel tortured about it

Hope I helped! Good luck! The community is here for you :hug:
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Remarin Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student
Thank you very much for the break-down!!!
I'll keep these points in mind when trying it out; I definitely would prefer to have the big chunk of commissions out of the way before really getting into tutoring/session making, or at least make a conscious compromise of dividing up my schedule (which is currently set at: "try to finish one commission a day")
So one thing I'll definitely be doing is, take my time to really prepare some kind of set-up.

Though, anything that makes me do routinely studies would already be profitable for me; the one thing I really want to improve on is self-discipline with art related habits. Plus it would give me incentives to try out voice-over videos and livestreaming more often, and thus have more chances to grow comfortable with it :'I All in all, it would be a good learning experience for me artistically, even if it'd end up being a temporary experiment. (Which I'll of course put in bold red letters, for people to keep in consideration)
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Sikkol Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Artisan Crafter
Yeah, you have a great opinion about it already, which is great!
It is also good that you already know, what exactly you want to do right now and how.

"Go forth, my child!" is all I can say right now!

Discipline is very good what goes for studying art, but I learned the hard way, that the best things come to you exactly when you need them/think about them the least!
Always follow those kind of "illminations" that goes like "fuck yes, this is what I have to do!"
For the rest, it is just a hard work.

Thumbs up, that you are open to other people's opinion! Best way to grow in whatever you do in life.

Good job, keep it up, we will be here for you if you need anything, m'kay? :heart::hug:
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Adalfyre Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
^ I approve this!
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Sikkol Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Student Artisan Crafter
Thanks :heart: !
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noface60 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Go for it.
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