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Scandinavian Commonwealth Flag Evolution
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I have always wanted to make one of these, so I figured I'd make one for my Commonwealth of Scandinavia flag, even if it wasn't all that hard to see what came from where on it.

I stole the idea of making it school book-ish from Sapiento, who did something similar with this: fav.me/d207kxa

Norway's flag is a white saltire on red in this TL mostly out of convenience, but it was indeed one of the first Norwegian flag proposals from 1814, so it's not as if it doesn't make any sense. (As seen here: www.stortinget.no/PageFiles/94… )

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rphb's avatar
This is wrong in so many ways.
1) it is not how the norwegian flag looks like
2) Scandinavia already have a union flag. Which is a Standard Scandinavian crossflag that is yellow with a red cross
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Rarayn's avatar
1) The white on red saltire was one of the very first proposals for a Norwegian flag historically, predating the one now in use by a few years. You are correct in that it wasn't actually used, but this is an allohistorical scenario where it was. It was mostly just an excuse to make a Union Jack-esque flag for Scandinavia though.

2) The union flag you describe is the alleged flag of the Kalmar Union. There is little to no proof of it ever having been used, and even if it was, it wouldn't be relevant to a Scandinavian union formed in the 19th century.
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It would be extremely relevant yes, and it is the symbol of pan scandinavianism today, Which I number myself a part of.
A Scandinavian union needs a common flag, and there is already a consensus on how it will look like.
And just looking at thine maps it seems to be a bit naive.
"the holy german empire"? I am sure thou meant "the holy roman empire of the german nation".
An empire that had been torn apart a long time before its final demise in 1806 by nationalism.

It is easy to imagine that many things would have been different but it still needs to follow logically.
One scenario that I imagine could have led to a vastly different world is if Lief Eriksons Vinland collony had been a success.
After initial success with establishing a Vinland colony on what we know as Newfoundland, the vikings sailed further south down the coast and established contact with the rich mesoamerican indians. That lead to the establishment of the cocao-iron road, from Mexico, over Vinland, Greenland and Iceland, to Norway and the rest of Scandinavia and Europe.

That trading route lead to great wealth flowing into the Kingdom of Norway that was able to dominate the other Scandinavian states and form the High Kingdom of Scandinavia.
The trade route lead to an exchange of resources, technologies and diseases to travel over the Atlantic. The Vikings would not be able to conquer north America, but by the time Ocean going ships able to cross the Atlantic were invented, Christopher Columbus would find Caribbean island inhibited by Vikings and a mainland America filled with skrællinger immune to the European diseases, who were ridding horses and carrying steal blades just like his men.
Mexico might be partially submitted with time like India and China, but never fully conquered like it were, and the continent would never have been "empty" for settlement, so the Europeans would never have a place to emigrate to and and USA would never have formed. Also the unified Scandinavia would have been able to challenge the United Kingdom to such an extend that it never would have been able to rule the seas. There would be shifting alliances between Scandinavia, Spain, France, the Netherlands and England that would have ensured that no country would have acquired total dominance like England had under the 19th century.

Futhermore, a unified Scandinavia would have been able to keep Holmgård would likely also have maintained Kænugård in their empire, which would have ensured that it would remain a truly great power in Europe equal to that of France, The Holy Roman Empire and the United Kingdom.
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Rarayn's avatar
I'm not sure what you are referring to with the "Holy German Empire" part of your comment. Do you have a link to the map you saw it on?
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11monar|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It´s really interesting, a beliveable combination of the three flags. But which symbols would be put in the middle of the flag if a king of Norway or Denmark became the Samväldeskonung instead? Just curious :)
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Rarayn's avatar
Norway would use its golden lion on red while Denmark would use its three blue lions on yellow. Not sure if it would look as aesthetically pleasing though, hah.
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11monar|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
who knows :)
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phantomdotexe's avatar
phantomdotexe|Professional Writer
Who knows? Maybe someday.
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DevineEmperorMeiji's avatar
Holy mahjolee. That is awesome
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NazjaRaj|Student Digital Artist
Kalmar union in an AH. priceless.
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Rarayn's avatar
The Kalmar Union was dissolved as it was OTL. This is a different beast entirely. ;)
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Ienkoron's avatar
"Norway's flag is a white saltire on red in this TL mostly out of convenience, but it was indeed one of the first Norwegian flag proposals from 1814, so it's not as if it doesn't make any sense."

Now the Swedish War Ensign of 1815-1844 makes sense to me, in my flag book it shows the white Saltire on red in the canton of the swallow tailed Swedish flag but no explanation why. Thank you for clearing that up :D
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I don't know for sure if that's the reason it was used on the Swedish-Norwegian War Ensign, but it is a possibility, yeah. I've yet to see any sources that confirm or deny it, anyway.
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Ienkoron's avatar
It makes sense if it was though, and more so to me now.
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trygveblacktiger|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
ithink if norway danmek and sweden have make one big empier we have kiced austia and pussia
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Rarayn's avatar
One shouldn't underestimate the Prussians, but we'd probably be able to beat them back, if nothing else. ;)
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I-Teach-You-Ha's avatar
i would like to life in that sweden!
good job
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Rarayn's avatar
Just remember not to call it Sweden when there are any Danes or Norwegians present. :XD:

Thanks!
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I-Teach-You-Ha's avatar
but wait a second, dont them listen to sweden?
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The Commonwealth is built with the brotherhood and equality of all three Scandinavian people in mind, so even if Sweden is the politically dominant part of it, simply calling the Commonwealth "Sweden" would probably not please the non-Swedish members of it.
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I-Teach-You-Ha's avatar
oh right sorry
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...What?
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The Swedish king ruling Denmark! ;)
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