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Confederate States of America

Ok - working with the "CSA: the Movie" setting as best as I can...

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The CSA was on fairly good terms with the Saudi monarchy, as another bunch of highly religious and bigoted slave-holders: indeed, the CSA took up something of a position as defender of the Saudi Kingdom (and it's sweet, sweet, crude) from Arab Nationalists and Communists. Although many Americans were hardly happy about an alliance with a bunch of hell-bound heathens, realpolitik and the general ally drought kept such views out of political bonds.

However, the successful ejection of Iraqi forces from Kuwait by CSA-backed Saudi forces led to an expansion of the Soviet presence in Iraq, which then provided a great excuse for the expansion of CSA forces in Arabia...which was not liked by many Arabs. Oil prices went up, and the Saudis began making suggestions as to the CSA perhaps reducing the number of troops stationed in Arabia.

With the discovery of a terrorist plot by an almost entirely Saudi group, an excuse was handy: although the terrorists were actually operating out of theocratic Afghanistan, and the initial mobilization was put into action under the pretext of extracting the terrorists from Afganistan, once a massive increase in forces in the Gulf had been deployed, it proved easy to "discover" direct ties between Saudi citizens and the terrorists, and to make demands as to full cooperation with CSA investigators that no Arab government could stand the humiliation of.

Unfortunately, although the late-90s collapse of the Soviet economy, the loss of their European empire and the ongoing economic crisis had left the Red superpower a near basket-case, there was such a thing as just too much to tolerate...

It is now 2003. Afghanistan remains a mess, and a distinct lack of cooperation re overflights on the part of Industan has required the "liberation" of part of Baluchistan. On the positive side, the CSA has obtained its main objective in occupying the Saudi oil fields. However, both the Soviets and the Anglo-French are now mobilizing forces of their own and issuing increasingly stiff diplomatic notes. The CSA government is betting that they are bluffing: the Soviets and Europeans are hardly going to start Great War III over the Saudis, right?

PS - yes, no Saddam Hussein: I just couldn't stretch suspension of disbelief quite that far...
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Empire-of-the-East's avatar
I wonder how the movie would deal with Obama, since they usually mirror our timeline's presidents.
Maybe McCain won instead though, and Obama led the JBU in overthrowing the Confederacy at long last.
ChaircarMao's avatar
Good,one of my friend introduce me about this film today.
:)
SRegan's avatar
Nice interpretation; what struck me watching the film when I did my (now rather shockingly outdated-looking) rendering for the original ATL Map Database was that it seemed to be an Anglo-French wank by default since the CSA apparently failed to fight in Europe in either World War. Of course, in the expanded timeline Russia is described as the 'supreme world power', so also possible that the rest of the world outside the Americas was supposed to be socialist. I think you've done a good job toning down the comic touches of the original and giving it more of a DoD-ish flavour (heck, that would be an interesting matchup - Decades of Darkness USA vs CSA: The Movie CSA; whoever loses, we win).
T1mbuk0n3's avatar
The movie is from 2004, and both the film and the expanded timeline don't say anything about a confederate annexation of Alaska, and they don't say anything about Hawaii either. I also don't know about Guyana, Suriname, or French Guiana, or the Antarctic territory of the confederacy.
T1mbuk0n3's avatar
I also don't know about south Korea being in league with the confederacy.
Historyman14's avatar
We need one after the total collapse of the CSA, by the year of 2014.
Jax1776's avatar
Isn't Alaska and Hawaii like independent? No mentions of them being part of the CSA.
QuantumBranching's avatar
This isn't an exact copy of the movie universe.
I'm embarrassed to admit this, but this was the movie that got me into Alternate History. :)
QuantumBranching's avatar
Humble beginnings and all that. :)
themasteraccount's avatar
Detroit should be Confederate, as in the movie It was mentioned that "confederate troops based out of Detroit intercepted Lincoln as he tried to escape across Lake St. Clair into Canada.
QuantumBranching's avatar
Ah, well. I didn't get to see the original, I had to make do with synopses and rough timelines: in any event, I wasn't going for an exact replication of everything in the movie...
themasteraccount's avatar
Fair enough, It would be hard to get everything on the first try.
AmongTheSatanic's avatar
That movie was hilarious.
lamnay's avatar
Nice one as usual. The film was absurd but it really get me into althis.
mdc01957's avatar
At least the Confederates aren't the Draka, right?
metalheadjohn's avatar
but they are the Draka.. IN AMERICA!
33k7's avatar
Love the map thinking about making one myself but a little different than yours I think in the story the CSA won the Vietnam War. And I like how you added your own touch by making it a little bit easier to understand why the North lost
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