Edit: for actually industry pricing for freelancers and graphic artists, this is a good book to refer to: The Graphic Artist’s Guild Handbook. i have freelance friends who use this book and say it's really good, so....yeah, it's probably a good investment if you're starting out. i totally forgot about it before i saw that tumblr post, sorry~!)
for anyone still thinking it's okay to underpay or not pay artists because they're "new", please take a look at this.
Some excerpts include (quotes are the excerpts, comments are mine):
"simple illustration - Ext. Budget $5.00" - meaning that even if you spend 1 hour on a simple but finished, professional illustration, you'd only be making $5.00/hour.
"Children's Book Cover Illustration - 2 illustrations that are 18x18x in full colour; Est. Budget $25" - so even if you spend a very short 2.5 hours per cover painting, you're still getting paid $5.00/hour. But realistically we all know full-colour illustrations take longer than that so let's not kid ourselves and price it at $2.00/hour. Slave labor ftw .
"Cartoon Children's Illustrator - $70.00" - oh, that doesn't look ba- oh wait... "19 pages full colour plus cover." ....20 illustrations for $70, making it an average of $3.50 per illustration. awesome.
here's some more links:
"A Note to you Should you be thinking of asking me to write for you for free"
"no spec work!"
I know I wrote a little much, but if you have time, please read .
I feel like this is important because this whole attitude is the same that lets people steal other people's art and print it on phone cases, posters, tshirts and more. They don't view us as hard-working people but more like machines that just churn out art. Not to mention it kind of screws the whole industry value up....(like, why would they pay for you to draw anything if someone else can do it for free?). This means the whole market value of art goes way down. It also let's people feel like they have the right to cuss me out when I refuse.....
This was originally done because I saw ridiculous people comment on tumblr and drawing ridiculous comic response is a way I cope, but then I realized that there are more of these people on dA; in fact, I often get notes about doing projects for free because of possible "exposure" i would get (not to mention those contests that hardly pays the winner anything to design a t-shirt or whatnot), and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Some people don’t feel artists deserve compensation seeing as it’s not as “essential” as, say, doctors or plumbers….Of course, then there are those who think that artists don’t even deserve recognition, let alone payment, so they take away artist sources and comments, thinking that artists live off of the euphoria of drawing alone (and of course if we complain about it, we’re being selfish bitches or spoiled brats).
Yes, recognition is amazing, but we also don’t want to work for free (unless it’s something you just REALLY want to do of course and isn’t looking to buy food with recognition coupons). There are plenty of great companies and people who hire artists, and these hired paid artists get plenty of recognition.
Please note: I don’t mean to say you shouldn't ever draw for anyone for free evar ever, but you deserve to be paid. Your art has value, and more importantly, your artistic skills have value and people should not expect it for free
This also is pretty good/funny: Should I work for free? a flow cart
ps. Psst, here's a secret....the payout "recognition" and "exposure" is a lie 99.5% of the time.
When i first started out here on DA, i was doing requests like crazy....but then several years later down the line, i started taking commissions; back then, my prices were dirt cheap (i think it was £5 per drawing)
First one i did was to a deviant on here-part way through the commission; he changed his mind and didn't want me to do the drawing anymore ( i was actually devastated by this).
When my mum showed my commission prices and my artwork to an old work colleague of hers (she was an artist for MTV many years ago) her words were to "increase my commission prices" when she found out how long it takes for me to draw/ink and colour in said pieces.
So now my commission prices are pretty standard for me (since i live in the UK, i go by UK National Living Wage) and i do by the hour, and not by a set price (after calculating what i was working on via set price....it turns out i was working at slavery prices).
My whole family has faith in me getting into the art industry, the last thing they want me to do is to undersell myself like i did in the past.
Anyway, this was an excellent read
Inspirational words too -^^-
Newer artists should just put their stuff out there, and draw a clear line between "free labor of love" and paid work. Time and word of mouth will get you recognition eventually.
That being said, I did promise the person I would work on his/her's request. But, with thanks to your information, I will charge in the future.
Out of curiosity, how does one charge for their work in Deviant Art? Is there a "Pay Pal" or something like that?
Thank you again for this.
and is making artists more money than simply charging per piece.
This means that the bigger your fanbase is, the more people you'll have to donate
1-5$ a week/month.
Granted, this isn't for every artist and this sort of "income bubble" will eventually
cap off (people will get tired of hearing artists pimp their patreon").
but it's a good tool for now that'll help artists that're still trying to improve their
skills and pay the rent.
You know what gets recognition on dA though? being extremely active, have really good draftsmanship, and know how to do pinups and fanart pinups. Then pump them out for max exposure. Riding on the coattails of other, greater artists and franchises do work very well . I should do some myself some time, actually....hahaha
Commission = Request + Recognition = Work experience + Income
I have more wall space... and if I arrange things carefully I can get them all up. The flow chart is hilarious!
I totally struggle with prices but then someone from Vietnam (no offense, my best friend was Vietnamese) offers realistic portraits for 4 dollars and I wanna cry.
I don't get requests often but most of them wanted anything drawn for free and were offended when I told them I need the money for my life, which is why I was willing to do the work for them...
Getting comments like "It's not that hard for u is it? so do it plz" is really rude <.<
When I receive offers of exposure, I am reminded that , here in New England, people die of exposure every year.
Keep up the good fight!
That'll be my answer the next time a request like this finds it's way into my in-box.
Especially when I'm already stressed out trying to live a double life, and drawing is almost becoming a coping mechanism.