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#659: Ex-vegan (3)
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Published: December 9, 2018
Veganism is not a diet. It's an ethical stance.
Therefore "ex-vegans" are as much of a joke as "ex-LGBT-right supporters" or "Ex-children's rights supporters". 

Some people just go vegan to be "hip", don't educate themselves and unconsciously starve themselves on some extreme deficient diet trend, then quit and blame their eating disorder on veganism. You often see these people on Youtube, doing extreme things like fasting and eating meals which are even too deficient for a guinea pig. They're a joke. And so was I: I used to be one of them, many years ago when I was still a teenager.

People, please don't blindly jump into extreme diets just because popular Youtubers are doing it. If you want to go vegan, but don't know better than the standard American diet, first do a little research about nutrition and ask other vegans what they eat. A vegan diet can be done in thousands of different ways, and you need to choose one that suits you. If fruitarianism or salad diets doesn't satisfy you, don't stick to it just because the guinea pigs on Youtube do, try another type of vegan diet like those with seitan and vegan cheeses etc. If you need advice on nutrition, feel free to ask me. My information is backed up by hundreds of peer-reviewed studies and papers written by widely respected medical experts.

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Oh, I just thought of another joke.

"Humane slaughter"
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Listen to this, this is rich:

There is an anti vegan rap on youtube I saw a long time ago called "Eating meat in a vegan world"

"Bear" in mind the title, because that was a chorus and the ONLY lyrics in the song, repeated several times over with some troll statements on the side that he doesn't care about veganism.

Comments:

Veganism drops worldwide to 0%.

I used to be vegan till I watched this. You helped wake me up.


This is what the carnism perspective towards our compassion is like.Eye RollI replied to the former saying that the world would be destroyed sooner if that was the case. All the while billions of individual lives are being taken in industries and practices all over the world. Animals are f**ked. 

By the way, in a world where carnism is taboo I can only imagine what the criminal punishment would be. "Today we are profiling a serial hunter who suffers from narcissistic psycopathy. He targest his victims within a 10 kilometer radius in the oak division of the woods. Law enforcement is adviced to be on the lookout for this man. He may have lost a loved one in his life which is why he is taking his rage out on fish and deer. He's armed and extremely dangerous":)
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I happen to have a comic on that: how carnism would be treated in a vegan world. I don't have it online yet, but once I develop a new art style I'm happy with, I'll finish it and post it up. It's not really educational, just for fun. XD It's about Shawn receiving mental treatment by a psychiatrist.
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You know, come to think of it, we classify humans as psycopathic just for showing deviance of what's right and wrong. Let's just say it was common, normal, or non-legal to commit murder but terrorism is taken seriously. People who kill repeatedly but not in mass numbers will probably get fined and incarcerated for a few days at the most. It's just a matter of how we view it. To cause pain and suffering is wrong, but in nature it's justified by survival and sacrifice. All in all, it's wrong to kill in any which way in our society because we can, whether it be humans or animals. But by this time our tolerance can truly be classified as extreme. Every time I read PETA's newsletters on university experimentation, skin farms, and circus abuse I have to control myself from going into rage knowing that my fellow people condemn them to horrid suffering and I can't stop them. The difference between human suffering and animal/environmental suffering is that one side is taken seriously, and is only a tiny part of the picture of the world. The other is treated as expendable, and is only a concern because of the disasters we caused in the first place. In Hindu mythology, there is an apocolypse like event in which Vishnu will cleanse the world of darkness and give it rebirth. I do wish something like that would happen. It was in a book about theoretical apocalyptic events. When human creativity and imagination knows no bounds and goes to the realms of evil you can't help but wonder what a sentient mother Earth would inflict on us... 
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Gays and people who spoke out against slavery used to be forced to receive mental help, while non-vegans who mass-kill other species and the planet run free. The logic of defining one as a psychopath is just not consistent.
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Yes, it's completely arbitrary. 

Human society demands that we respect fellow humans, so people will show basic respect to vegans that they can't even do for animals.

I heard this guy lost his job for insulting veganism on social media. I quote "we should start trapping vegans. Force feed them meat. Expose their hypocrisy"

When people mock veganism I use the industries they support as an excuse. That what  they physically pay the animal's to go through is nothing compared to what they verbally express. I'm actually curious as to what the "hypocricy" thing means. Real rich coming from the carnist perspective.
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Some people don't seem to understand that vegans speak on behalf of themselves, but on behalf of the animals.
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They think animals don't matter but they can't be more wrong because of their innocence and Dharma. We are doing exactly the opposite of what we should be doing. We should be protecting every one to the max.
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Here's another joke...plants right activist:meow:
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I've always been confused on how they care so much about plants and not about the conscious, moving animals. Seriously, how can anyone care more about plants than even insects? They move around, have preferences, and are still burdened with being the bottom of the food chain.
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They're only plants rights activists when vegans are around.
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Yup
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I don't know why but for me, it sound like skyrim ( " i used to be an adventurer " )
- I used to be a vegan, and i don't take any arrow so i guess i'm still a vegan ?
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I hope I don't stop.

Everyone I talk to tells me that everyone they know who went vegan started losing their hair or couldn't get medical care because they were in bad shape or something like that. I think they're just trying to discourage me.

What if doctors just say vegans are in bad shape and refuse to treat them to discourage non vegans? I think that's illegal, but...
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You will only start losing hair and become in bad shape if you deprive your body of essential nutrients. I did it before: I didn't realize my diet was deficient the first time I tried to ditch meat. Most of the time people just don't eat enough calories, or starve themselves out of ignorance. You never see this problem with people who have been raised vegan (like many Chinese, Indians and Buddhists) because they know better than the standard American diet. When I cook, I think in nutrients/vitamins: potatoes for my carbs, spinach for my iron, broccoli for iron/protein/vit C/calcium, a vegan burger for protein, B12 and iron, a teaspoon of flaxseeds for Omega 3, fruit for all the other benefits etc.

During their course, doctors receive less than 4 hours about nutrition, so to go to them for nutritional advice is like going to a hairdresser for advice about computers. Doctors specialize in sick care, not health care. Unless it are health professionals, but that's a whole different kind of doctor. Just eat enough calories, meals which are nutritonally complete, and all of your blood test will come out fine.
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I don't have any problems, I just try to eat a varied diet like you do. I have only met one other vegan besides you, and I know someone who was ex-vegan because he started losing hair and didn't know what he was doing despite being kinda obsessed with it. I should probably offer them some advice.
Although everyone I talk to, to try and convince them it's good to go vegan have the same old excuses. "It's too hard and takes too much planning and limits the food I can eat" and "Animals are lower than Humans, it's not wrong to eat them, I can do whatever I want to any animal, and telling me otherwise is just getting involved in politics" and the worst "I say sorry and try not to think of it".

But I've been able to maintain my weight and work out normally and do everything normally, I'm not deficient in anything. Where I came from, an island, had no cows or chickens, so by extension no eggs or milk, cutting out meat was easy, because I only ate like two kinds. I like lentils and sprouted wheat and stuff better anyway.
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People will pull any excuse to feel good about their violent habits. I used to be like your friend, I starved myself out of ignorance and blamed it on veganism.
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Darn iceberg lettuce and oreos.
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:la:
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Some also are petty and think being able to eat things that vegans have not yet perfectly replicated yet is an excuse to go back
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Those are people who put taste over life.
Smoked mackrel was one of my favourite foods back when I was a non-vegan. I haven't seen a vegan version of it yet, but that doesn't mean I go back to killing other sentient beings for my own selfish taste pleasure. There are plenty of other delicious things to eat, anyway.
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Aw, that looks like my rabbits before my mom got rid of them. Also, I hate those 'exvegans'. If you quit being vegan, you weren't vegan for the animals. You were plantbased.  These people are making us look bad...
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I agree. They were plantbased, not vegan.
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NOTE TO ALL: You wanna lose weight? 3 tips:

1. Portion Control

2. Exercise

3. Try to avoid junk foods

One of the things I'm doing currently is trying to cut down on unnecessary sugars.
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