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#658: Selective compassion (6)
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Published: December 7, 2018
"An activist in Denmark was crying in national television when he saw cows getting slaughtered in Aarhus slaughterhouse. The whole population was laughing at him and calling him names. I think that the fact that people make fun of others for feeling compassion for animals is quite funny, when they grab their pitchforks when a dog gets treated poorly."

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Some animals are to be killed some aren't
What is this based on? Let's use dogs as an example as that's the most commonly respected animal, in my experience.

- Dogs are our companions
Practically any animal could be your companion if you gave them the chance. People keep pigs as companions, and form bonds with them as strong as you can with a dog.

- I just like dogs, I don't have a connection with other animals
That is not a justification for killing other animals. Somebody could equally say to you "I don't have a connection with your dog, so I am going to slit their throat". Just because of how you feel about an animal, doesn't mean that animal is disposable, they are sentient beings.

- Dogs are intelligent, other animals are dumb
That is not a justification for killing them. Other animals such as cats, hamsters and so on could be said to be less intelligent than dogs, that doesn't mean you think killing them is fine presumably. But as it happens, pigs are in many ways more intelligent than dogs, able to make connections and solve problems more advanced than anything dogs can do, and can interact on a higher level with video games, they can recognise human faces, understand reflections in a mirror, respond to commands and so on. If you have any serious consideration for animals, feel free to look up articles on chicken intelligence, cattle intelligence, sheep intelligence and so on. It is out of the question that dogs are alone as being intelligent animals.

- Companion animals are my property, like my TV
This is an absurd comparison. The reason why you'd be upset with someone killing your dog is not because they are your property, it's because they are sentient beings, living their own life, and you don't want harm to come to them. Damage to your TV is a financial loss, your companion animals are more than that surely? 

- Just our culture, it's actually fine to slit dog's throats as long as it's done in another culture not this one
That makes no sense at all. Following through with this statement, you'd be appalled if a dog was killed in front of you, but apparently if that same dog was transported to another country where it is culturally acceptable to kill them, then you'd say it was fine. Think it through - it's the same dog, precisely the same thing is happening to them. Why does it matter where it happens?

- Dogs have been companions of humans for hundreds of years
That is just because humans have chosen for it to be that way, it isn't the fault of other animals. You could make a companionship with any animal if you chose, there's no reason to be killing them just because you chose not to make a friend of them.

- You can play catch with a dog and they do tricks
You can do the same with many other species. But why do you want to kill animals who don't want to play catch? Most cats don't want to play catch, they might do other things, but most don't retrieve things and play catch like dogs do, but it doesn't logically follow that you must slit a cat's throat.

- Dogs are cute
Why do you discriminate against animals based upon what they look like? If you come across a dog that isn't cute, are you compelled to slit their throat? If someone doesn't find your dog cute, is it okay for them to slit their throat? 

- Yeah but it's because I have a connection with my animal, they're like family. Killing animals outside my family is fine.
This is a direction comparison between humans and dogs. Therefore, you are saying that killing your dog would be bad because they're like family. Killing anyone outside your family is therefore fine, would you apply this to strangers then? A human stranger is not part of your family, unlike your dog. The argument of "you're humanizing animals" cannot be used, because you are the one humanizing animals in this case, comparing them to your family. Just because an animal or human is outside your family is no grounds to slit their throat. Also, think this through. If you have an animal that currently isn't in your family, you're arguing that it's fine to slit their throat. But if you chose to instead adopt them, then immediately it's abhorrent to slit that animal's throat. It's the same animal. Look at this from the animal's perspective, not your own. 

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SachinAmateurArtist's avatar
SachinAmateurArtist|Student General Artist
I watched a video about the FBI raiding animal sanctuaries to take back rescued piglets and put them back in slaughter upon classifying activists as "terrorists" and a comment that read that bacon is being brought back to the "good" people of America. I had to add another item to my "Reasons to shoot yourself in the head" list. The my inner conscious said, no, no Sachin, you want to be an activist and liberator when you grow up. Get it together, you'll have your chance to save the victims still remaining!
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Pupaveg's avatar
Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
So hidden oppressed victims were discovered, and taken by the authorities and killed? Right. And people say that the animal holocaust has nothing in common with WWII? They literally base their logic on the same oppressive mindset.
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SachinAmateurArtist|Student General Artist
I don't think truer words have been spoken. I don't think the police could imagine if they had three year old kids who were slaughtered, they're no different than piglets.
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Pupaveg's avatar
Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah. Only difference is the victim.
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BookiestofWorms's avatar
Ew!! A ching-chong!!!! They need Bookworm Adventures Deluxe!!!!
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Mondonosuke's avatar
I balled my eyes out when I watched cows getting slaughtered in one of those hell pits. I couldn't stop crying it was the most horrific thing I had ever seen in my life it made me want to be a vegetarian. I'm still working on that, it's hard changing things that I was raised doing but I will! I refuse to eat meat and someday I will be fully cleansed of it.
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Pupaveg's avatar
Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know how you feel. But thankfully you can still have vegan meats, so you can still enjoy the taste of the foods you ate before, without the torture. Here are some examples of vegan chicken recipes: www.youtube.com/results?search…
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Mondonosuke's avatar
Wow thanks I will definitely check it out! You're very smart on all of this so I do have something else to ask if you don't mind? What do full vegans do typically to get the nutrition or rather protein they need to be healthy, eat nuts and drink protein drinks? I just was wondering how I can go full vegan and be completely healthy, I know it's realistic I just don't know how, ya know?
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Protein
This nutrient is extremely easy to come across. If you are eating the correct RDA of total calories each day, then it is virtually impossible to be short of protein. Deficiency of protein is incredibly rare in modern society, and basically only affects people who are starving for whatever reason. It's not a concern for those who are eating a normal amount. The world health organization recommends between 5-10% of your daily calories to come from protein. So many common plant-based foods are in excess of that, many fall within that range, and only a few things like fruit fall slightly beneath. This really is not a concern for anybody.

Watch this short video about protein and veganism
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m4p8s…

Read more here:
www.veganhealth.org/articles/p…
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Kryptic-Splash|Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, it is kinda double standard,at least on some people, because i know many peeps who would laugh at you crying over anything that isn't human, including pets, which is horrible.

I'm not vegan, mostly because i have only like, 3 or 4 vegetables i would even eat for several reasons i'm not gonna list here, and while i do eat meat, i wish that the meat is produced in a way that the amount of suffering animal goes through is as minimal as possible. Yes, it doesn't make the original killing any less bad, but at least the animal didn't have to suffer.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
As I said to someone else here before: the standard legal form of slaughter for animals is for them to be "stunned" and then have their throats slit. For chickens and pigs, the stunning is generally done with an electric shock, and for other animals a pneumatic bolt pistol projects a metal rod into their forehead. It is claimed that this renders the animal 100% unconscious, but if you actually look into the facts, slaughterhouse workers will admit that there is no way to verify that this is the case for every single animal, and indeed the process doesn't always work, isn't followed routinely, and indeed, the "stun" can wear off while the animal is being killed. But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you did it humanely" as described above.
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Kryptic-Splash|Hobbyist Digital Artist
yes, i 100% understand. Stunning doesn't always work. You can see it in human executions: the substance that is supposed to make person fall asleep doesn't always work, amount si too small or one giving the substance doesn't know the correct methods, which leads to quite horrifying results when other stuff is given

But that is exactly the problem: we still kill other humans regularly, the cruelty like that is completely fine to us, especially in countries where death penalty exists(just look at what US has done recently and how they seem to think about stuff) and not only that, many countries who have had it removed have arranged public votes on it, and in many of them people want it back. It's is a state of mind this world has right now, that killing, as long as there is at least some reason, no matter how stupid it is, is justified. Was it humans, animals or plants, we don't think about it as long as there is a good reason that applies to us personally. Pigs are killed for food, criminals are killed because they are dangerous, trees are chopped down because we need space for crops, etc. No, those pigs do not need to be killed, nor do criminals or trees, but do we care? of course not. We are cold-hearted by nature, and those who aren't, well, i'm sure you know what society thinks of them(i don't mean this as an insult, sorry if it comes off that way)

And talking about companion animals, i have seen animals killed for varying reasons. My grandpa got his dog and cat taken down for simple reason that dog was getting old(she had no health issues yet however) and cat couldn't do his's job, hunting pests, anymore. My dad's rottie-dachshund-mix was killed because she had bad tumor in her belly that had spread and caused her horrible pain. and yes, they didn't need to be killed so soon, but the way it was done was painless, which makes it at least little better, and in the case of a mix, she was saved from going through unnecessary suffering. Yes, i miss them, more than any human relatives i have who have died in my small lifetime, but i'm fine with it. at the very least, they don't need to see the horror that this world is turning into.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Do you realize that the comparison between killing innocent sensitive beings out of greed and selfishness VS killing violent criminals like serial killers and ISIS members for our own safety is extremely flawed?
Do you also think that every dictator's actions throughout history, including mass-murder, is justified because "they are cold-blooded" and "they don't care about the victims"? Or would their actions have been ok if they killed their victims faster, meaning the majority of deaths of the people they killed is justified because it was done with a headshot before they were tossed into a mass grave? Of course not! Killing is not justified by saying that the perpatrator is ok with it, or because they kill their victims "quickly". Because the most interested party, the innocent victim being killed, is denied a choice here. If we follow through with your logic, every form of violence is justified and we shouldn't even bother having laws and jails for criminals at all, because "humans are cruel by nature" and "they don't care about their victims". Killing people or other animals unnessecarily should be opposed, not praised, no matter how "fast" the victim dies.
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Captiankritz1|Hobbyist Digital Artist
i made a character that is a cannibal
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Frost5abor's avatar
Hmm, I would argue that dogs have evolved specifically for humans and along side humans as if they were another member of their tribe. Dog's and humans have had a very VERY long lasting bond over the centuries from hunting together and giving and taking in order to survive. Dogs have the ability to form chemical bonds much like a mother and her newborn would with humans. It just isn't the same thing with livestock, so I guess that's where the line is drawn? Honestly dogs are pretty special creatures. We made them for us. We didn't make livestock for anything other than food.

Now make no mistake, killing animals inhumanely is horrific and if we are going to kill them to eat then it shouldn't be torture for them. Thankfully it usually is very quick and clean and it's better for them to die that way than to be eaten by wild animals who have no concept of mercy.
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Grey-Terminal's avatar
So much hypocracy lol
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Frost5abor's avatar
Frost5abor|Hobbyist Artist
i'm surprised you know what that word means considering you can't spell it. how am i being a hypocrite? 
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Grey-Terminal's avatar
I hate dogs because of people like you `they are speshul`lol. Did you know pigs are much more intelligent?
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Practically any animal could be your companion if you gave them the chance. People keep pigs as companions, and form bonds with them as strong as you can with a dog.
Not having a connection with other animals is not a justification for killing other animals. Somebody could equally say to you "I don't have a connection with your dog, so I am going to slit their throat". Just because of how you feel about an animal, doesn't mean that animal is disposable, they are sentient beings.

Dog's and humans have had a very VERY long lasting bond over the centuries from hunting together and giving and taking in order to survive. 

That is just because humans have chosen for it to be that way, it isn't the fault of other animals. You could make a companionship with any animal if you chose, there's no reason to be killing them just because you chose not to make a friend of them.

"They're bred to be killed so it's fine"
Following this logic, if somebody has a dog living with them, and she is pregnant, then simply standing there and saying "When those puppies are born I am going to kill them all" would be enough justification for doing so. That of course is absurd. Basically, you are not in a position to determine the fate of an animal. If the argument is that some animals have been selectively bred for consumption, then again, that is not a justification. The entire process of selectively breeding them was done at the hands of humans, and all subsequent loss of life is at their say so and is entirely unnecessary.

The standard legal form of slaughter for animals is for them to be "stunned" and then have their throats slit. For chickens and pigs, the stunning is generally done with an electric shock, and for other animals a pneumatic bolt pistol projects a metal rod into their forehead. It is claimed that this renders the animal 100% unconscious, but if you actually look into the facts, slaughterhouse workers will admit that there is no way to verify that this is the case for every single animal, and indeed the process doesn't always work, isn't followed routinely, and indeed, the "stun" can wear off while the animal is being killed. But regardless of the fashion of execution, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you did it humanely" as described above.
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Frost5abor|Hobbyist Artist
"That is just because humans have chosen for it to be that way, it isn't the fault of other animals. You could make a companionship with any animal if you chose, there's no reason to be killing them just because you chose not to make a friend of them."

I know that, that doesn't change the fact that that is why it is like this. It's none of our faults it is like this either, that is just how it worked out. 

"They're bred to be killed so it's fine"

Never said this. I'm saying dogs are special above all animals because of our history, and that is why people are more offended.

I still hold the argument it is better for them to die if they must the way they are, instead of being yanked from the womb of the mother and being eaten alive by a baboon. 
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Humans BREED over 50 billion(!) animals a year. These animals are genetically manipulated: intentionally bred with all sorts of health problems to increase profits. These animals have no chance to change their own misfortune, and are purely tortured and killed out of humanity's greed and selfishness, by the BILLIONS every week. Mother animals are being restrained and regulary forcibly impregnated over and over and over and over again. Their babies are killed so humans can steal their milk for themselves. The mother's genetically manipulated body is being milked over and over and over again until she cannot take it anymore and collapses. Then she gets her throat slit and is replaced by her daughters. Baby chicks in the egg industry are killed by the millions every week right after hatching because they can't lay eggs. Mother pigs are also used as breeding machines, are locked inside a cage they can't even turn around for their entire lives, until they too collapse and are discarded and replaced. 91% of the Amazon rainforest is being cut down, driving tens of thousands of species to extinction, in order to make space to grow crops meant to feed cattle. Trillions of marine animals are killed and may discarded, again because of human greed. Mother cows are being slaughtered by the billions while still pregnant, and their babies are cut from her body when she's still alive and their blood is drained while they're still breathing for fetal serum. And you argue that a baboon attacking an animal (who has a chance to change his own misfortune) to survive, otherwise he'll die of hunger, is "crueler" than the ultimate animal holocaust on earth? I mean, really? Think about what you're saying, it makes no logical sense.

"It's just the way things are" is no logical explaination for treating one animal as precious while treating another one (who have just as much feelings) like shit. 
Cultures and social norms develop over time. Whether it is slavery, women having the vote, or anything else, the fact that it was ever the norm or part of culture, is not a justification for it. If you think that culture is a justification, then if you look at other cultures, you must advocate every single practice that they do, regardless of how clearly unethical it is. That's not a rational point of view. You should be able to form a view on a practice regardless of where it happens. So if you say that killing dogs is unacceptable because your culture says so, but you think that it's fine if other cultures do it, consider the following: If someone is about to kill a dog in your culture, would you really say "Excuse me, can you please cross the border to that other culture where that kind of thing is the norm? Then I will stop caring about that dog". This is about the victim, it doesn't matter where it happens.
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Bendy-TBW|Student Artist
This is sadly true in todays society.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah.
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Bendy-TBW|Student Artist
My uncle in mexico has a meat shop and him and my cousion would. Kill pigs for their meat. I would never harm any one ot any animal. Even if its just a pig. If i did i would feel eminse amount of guilt.
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