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#650: Morally evolve by Pupaveg #650: Morally evolve by Pupaveg
Based on the “Vegan VS Farmer” video street interview by Earthling Ed: youtu.be/VdPcvOM4vXk

After 90 years of producing dairy products, Elmhurst now produces plantbased drinks instead. Its owner Henry Schwartz, has become vegan himself, too.
More and more companies are offering plantbased alternatives to the environmentally destructive animal ones. Campina, Kips and Melkan are a few examples of companies who offer plantbased products today. The world is changing and farmers should change along. 
I, as a former cattle rancher, have too.

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Over 50 billion animals are raised for slaughter each year. In order to feed them, it takes far more land, water and crops to feed them than it does to just feed us 7 billion humans on plants. The number of animals being farmed is unsustainable in fact, causing all kinds of pollution as a result of their manure and the greenhouse gases released, which is more harmful than all traffic pollution combined. Disagree with me? Please feel free to research it, but it's by definition going to require additional farming, space, resources, water...

Animal agriculture is the leading cause of...
:bulletred: Deforestation.
:bulletred: Ocean deadzones.
:bulletred: Greenhouse gas emissions.
:bulletred: Habitat destruction.
:bulletred: Water pollution.
:bulletred: World hunger (result of the aforementioned destruction).
:bulletred: Species extinction (also because of the aforementioned destruction).
:bulletred: Animal cruelty.

It's never going to be sustainble. It's never going to be kind. And it is never, by definition, going to be humane.

"HUMANE SLAUGHTER?"

The words 'humane' and 'slaughter' put together, are what is known in the English language as an oxymoron, i.e. 2 words that contradict each other when put together. To use the term 'humane slaughter' is as nonsensical as to say 'humane rape', 'humane slavery', or 'humane holocaust'—regarding the latter point, some synonyms for 'slaughter' in the dictionary are 'bloodbath', 'massacre', and 'holocaust'... given that it does not make sense to use the term humane for any of those 3 words, neither can it make sense to say it for the word those synonyms derive from.

Ask yourself this question: is there a nice way to kill someone who doesn't want to die? Given that animals want to live, and value their lives as we value ours, there is no nice way to kill them.

In any case, anyone looking at the methods we use to kill farmed animals can see for themselves that it's not 'humane'. Whether the animal is stunned with a bolt gun or prongs, or whether it's by gas chamber, or whether they are killed via the Halal/Schechita method, these are not exactly methods we would use to euthanise even someone who did want to die.

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:icondarkvikingmistress:
DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2019  Student Writer
Besides, you can farm fruit and veggies! There's certainly a big demand for them because everyone needs them to be healthy. 

I've often thought living on a cherry farm would be quite nice. 
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed. More and more farmers are actually moving towards crop production instead, because the consumer is changing.
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EmanuelTheodorus Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2019
Is that supposed to be grapes?
Mmm, grape smoothie.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yepz!
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Pollie-Chan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I haven't done research and i don't plan on ever doing so since I'm not big on these topics, but if eveyone went vegan wouldn't the population of pigs, cows, chicken, ect get too large? Since there isn't necessarily any natrual Predator for them if kept in captivity.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Animals are bred by humans for consumption. As more people go vegan, less animals are bred for consumption. As such, if everyone eventually goes vegan (which may not even happen, and if it did, would gradually take place over many years), then animals would no longer be farmed. So their population would not be an issue.
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admiralnatsilane Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2018
I think the name of the farmer in this comic strip is Elmhurst!
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:iconpupaveg:
Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha! ^_^ Sounds like it. But it's the farmer from the link in the description.
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StrangerThings4Ever Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student General Artist
So cute!
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks ^_^
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:iconstrangerthings4ever:
StrangerThings4Ever Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Student General Artist
Pupaveg no prob :3
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Captiankritz1 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i wonder what human flesh tastes like, how about any of you guys? I'm thinking of going full on legal Cannibal and need some willing donations.
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Pollie-Chan Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'll join you on that
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Captiankritz1 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
thank you!
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018
If this is a satire then you might not want to read this comment but if you're being serious then consider that humans need protein to live and our most available source of protein is animals so there's that.

Also I see a strawman fallacy.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Protein: This nutrient is extremely easy to come across. If you are eating the correct RDA of total calories each day, then it is virtually impossible to be short of protein. Deficiency of protein is incredibly rare in modern society, and basically only affects people who are starving for whatever reason. It's not a concern for those who are eating a normal amount. The world health organization recommends between 5-10% of your daily calories to come from protein. So many common plant-based foods are in excess of that, many fall within that range, and only a few things like fruit fall slightly beneath. This really is not a concern for anybody.

Also, what's the "Strawman"? Please enlighten me so I can change it?
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MrsVolv Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Professional General Artist
"People will lose their jobs" argument... I'm sure many people has lost their jobs when human trafficking became illegal - does that mean we should have never abandoned slavery? Job < Life
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:iconpupaveg:
Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed. One can always get another job, but those who are killed can never get back their lives.
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018
The strawman fallacy is a logical fallacy in witch one misrepresents or incorrectly defines a position or term witch essentially builds a "Straw man" of sorts.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am aware. But since I have literally quoted the conversation in the video, how is that "strawman"? Please explain, because I'm confused?
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018
Sorry if I misunderstood. However you should know that humans have evolved to eat animals and you can't erase thousands of years of evolution!Also let's clear something up right now; DeviantArt is a place where people can share awesome art they make not propaganda!
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Humans didn't evolve because of eating animals, but because of eating starchy vegetables, which causes brain growth. You see, the brain works on glucose, not on fat and cholesterol. And now it's time to morally evolve by encouraging people to evolve past the violent habits of their savage ancestors. :peace:
And what do you mean, propaganda? The meat/dairy/egg industries literally spouse propaganda like "you need the babymilk of another species mama for calcium" and "u need meat for pwotein and B12". All I do is debunk their propaganda.
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018
My point with evolution is that we evolved to eat animals and morals aren't objective so they can't "evolve".
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Humans have no biological need for animals, and our bodies didn't adapt to that of a meat eater. Meat eating is a cultural habit, not a natural one, which started out of desperation when food became scarce at one point in history. And even if it were natural, it is still unnessecary to kill animals and the planet today just for our taste pleasure. 
And are you saying that humans can't evolve morally? Guess you've never heard about women's right to vote, ending segregation or LGBT rights to get married, then? Next up is animal rights.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
You know that there are other ways to get protein, right?
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018
Yes but animals are the most available source.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
That's not true. There are billions of plants that contain protein
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018
Yes there are but even then animals are more efficient in some cases and besides you can't change the entire world especially with religious people who believe that their god demands that they eat animals.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Yes there are but even then animals are more efficient in some cases.
Yet meat can cause cancer, cholesterol, etc.

Actually, no god demands to kill animals.
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The-Ashen-Writer Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018
You know what sacrifices are right?

And plants can cause quite a few problems as well when ingested and don't forget that if we were to decide farms entirely to growing plants that have protein then that could negatively impact the environment.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Ah, those are just psychopaths.

False.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
That's not true. There are billions of plants that have protein.
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pookacrew Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That actually varies. Yes their are edible plants that are safe for human consumption that do have protein but there is actually different kinds of protein. The protein found in plants isn't necessarily the same as protein found in meat. And while you could possibly argue that there is supplements for such things, those are only so effective and one can easily take the supplement in an excessive amount along with the fact it is proven that nutrients ingested via food is much more effective and safer than those from a supplement.

Humans are also inherently omnivorous meaning we must eat both plants and animals. Yes you can argue it's cruel but we hunted and killed animals just the same before agriculture and farming. It's true that there is inhumane methods of raising and slaughtering animals but there is movements meant to better the animals' life before their end. The main reason people also go vegan or vegetarian is because of health reasons as well, like allergies to certain foods like meat or eggs. Though I will say some people choose the diet also or just for their belief of not wanting to promote the farming of animals.

I'm not trying to negate your belief or preference in a vegan life style as that is your choice but forcing it upon others or pushing what you believe is fact without proof isn't going to aid you or the vegan cause. Facts are much more convincing to get people on your side than saying things like 'plants have proteins too' without knowing the nutritional facts. The movement is more than just 'save the animals' but also 'here are the nutritional facts and proofs that may convince you to go vegan or support my movement.'
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
1. Different protein or not, it's still protein.

2. That's no excuse to kill animals. Many vegans have lived for many years without the need to consume meat.
"The main reason people also go vegan or vegetarian is because of health reasons as well, like allergies to certain foods like meat or eggs." The real reason why people go vegan is because there is no reason to kill animals. They deserve to live as well.

3."Facts are much more convincing to get people on your side than saying things like 'plants have proteins too' without knowing the nutritional facts." Like this comic? This comic is showing facts.

It is true that there are vegans that are forcing others to become vegan, but there are other vegans that are showing others what they actually do to the animals in order to get meat. Which are facts.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:thumbsup: Well said!
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Bunny Emoji-66 (Thank you arigatou) [V3]  
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pookacrew Featured By Owner Edited Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you believe plant proteins are the same as animal proteins, you are misinformed. Animal protein is one of the essential ways of getting protein though is advised to not eat red meat in excess like most foods for it does contain more than just protein as a source of nutrition but to also add poultry or fish into one's diet. And yes while there are plants that can provide protein, eating those strictly is not healthy either from the amount of fiber one would be ingesting. Along with the fact that some people won't have the luxury of such a thing thanks to allergies or other medical conditions. But one can agree a plant protein is not the same as an animal protein as one belongs to plants and the other belongs to animals which is far closer to the muscle to a human.

And while there is vegans who have lived long on such a diet, it's because they were also careful with their diet and how they or what they ate. And you claim the main reason people become vegan is for the sake of the animals, you forget most do it for the health benefits or for their health alone. I have a friend who is vegan because of allergies and health issues but also follows the movement against animal killing. But you can not tell me they became vegan first because of wanting to protect animals as I'm sure their health came first. Yes, animals deserve to live but will you tell that same comment to a tiger who kills to eat or a dog who require meat as an essential part of their diet house pet or not? Please, go tell the a wolf or a fox that the elk or rabbit it had killed to eat deserved to live as much as it does. I'll say now, killing animals in excess is very wrong but we still need meat regardless but if one wishes to be vegan, go ahead.

As for this comment and what you state, please do direct me to the sources the artist provides to back their point? What citations or resources were provided to back their statement like reliable articles not made by Peta or actually fact filled research from someone who knows their ins and outs of the matter, not outdated videos from 7 to 2 years ago. Let me know what places are using such methods of slaughter than show me a video of the graphic and horrid manner a cow is killed or animals gassed so I know where to stay away from when I wish to buy a steak or pork. I am aware these methods and it's common knowledge to those who look into the matter but it's not something we can stop easily. My point is in how the animal is raised and how there is methods more humane than the halal method as I can agree that is inhumane. But looking into where one's meat comes from is the start of finding a place one can trust is humane enough should they still not want to go vegan. There are much better methods than decapitating an animal cruelly but if you don't think we wouldn't fire arrows into animal when hunting before agriculture, you are mistaken. I'm not saying that the way some industries raise their animals is right or that slaughter is humane but such things can be changed much easier than forcing farmers to stop raising animals because it's more humane. Industries like the ones displayed in the video can also be anywhere from third world countries or somewhere in a place like Russia. Start with the actual problem of inhumane industrial methods in raising the animals than trying to get people to stop eating meat.
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Did I say that they are the same? No, I didn't.
Enough protein? Please tell me how much is "enough"?

And you claim the main reason people become vegan is for the sake of the animals, you forget most do it for the health benefits or for their health alone." Or, you know, because of their beliefs? Or how they were raised?
Some animals eat their own shit. Should we eat out own shit just because animals can?

Read her comics and you will find out.
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Marbletism Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student General Artist
Very good points! Well done.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
^_^ I only did the art.
Earthling Ed made the points.
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Marbletism Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Student General Artist
Ah! Okay.
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Soldier667 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like this comic.

If only people were a fraction as agreeable as that farmer.
Why is the bunny on a milkshake? Is that a coconut milkshake he's drinking or is the farmer distracted by thoughts of milkshakes?
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a vegan coconut chocolate milkshake my boyfriend made me the day before yesterday! :la: And yeah, many farmers are aggressive when it comes to defending their job. They know they're doing something wrong, but are afraid of change, which makes them feel the need to defend their harmful actions with the most ridiculous arguments.
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pookacrew Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Or it's that it's their only lively hood or that people refuse to listen to reason or facts. It's one thing to compare a farmer who cares and raises their animal with love and care and another to shove them into the same category as industrial farm that only raise and care for the animals as basic as needed before the slaughter house. You can't change the views of a vast majority of the world as only so many can be converted to such a mind set but what you can start doing is by first trying to fix how the animals are treated before they end up in a supermarket. All big changes start small but if you can at least change someones opinion on where they get their meat and support the much more humane companies instead of ridiculing them for eating meat, you can at least bring the big companies who practically abuse the animals down and promote more humane methods of raising the animals for meat. While I can agree slaughter will never be considered humane, I can at least push for humane ways for the animal to be raised.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I disagree. Regardless of the fashion of execution and life, there isn't a justification for taking the life. It is still taking the life of a sentient being, for your enjoyment ultimately. If somebody killed your companion animal, I doubt you'd say "that's fine because you pretended to be their friend first" as described above. Breeding animals for the sole purpose of killing them is not "humane". My friend, you cannot “kindly” breed an animal that doesn’t want to die for the sole purpose of killing them. You can breed a sensitive creature to kill but it’s never going to be kind, it’s never going to be compassionate and it’s never going to, by definition, be humane. As Andrea Kladar said: “To examine whether something is “humane”, first determine if you would want it done to you.

In any case, the livelihoods of those on the side of the oppressor is not worth more than the lives of the oppressed. Just as it would not be ethical to continue human slavery on the basis that plantation owners would be put out of work, so too is it unethical to continue animal slavery for fear of farm owners and slaughtermen being put out of work.
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DragonRider200 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018
Oh, a coconut milkshake? I love coconut
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate coconut water, but I love coconut milkshake!
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2018  Student Digital Artist
I remember that I used to love coconut water when I was a kid. Now I don't like it for some reason:XD: but I like coconut in general, especially with limon and chilli powder.
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Pupaveg Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Never tried that, but sounds good!
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AllytheWolffy98 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2018  Student Digital Artist
It is good! :D
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