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#635: My choice (8)
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Published: November 26, 2018
It's my personal choice 
It cannot be called a personal choice when it involves harming a third party for a trivial reason, which is your desire to enjoy eating them / their secretions. 

Don't force your opinions on others
If you're reading this, I can pretty much guarantee that I did not talk to *you* about this. Either I have redirected you here because that's what you've accused me of and I didn't do it, or somebody else has redirected you here, in which case, I can't vouch for them and it's not my responsibility. But, in either case, even if somebody did start talking to you about veganism, is it really "forcing" their opinion on you? To simply say "please consider not stabbing animals" is a very reasonable suggestion, is it not? Nobody is in a position to "force" you to do anything, if you want to keep stabbing animals, I am not in a position to prevent you. Indeed, from a non-vegans perspective, your opinion is that animals should be stabbed in the neck. To me, that is a far more forceful application of an opinion than simply asking someone to re-evaluate their position on something politely. 

Stop judging me 
To offer an alternative to animal abuse is not to judge you. Indeed, if somebody is talking to you about the subject, it should suggest to you that they think that you *do* care about animals, and so their judgement of you is positive - they are saying "Surely you wouldn't want to be involved with this?". If they had a negative judgement of you, they wouldn't even bother with you, and would assume you have no compassion for animals, which surely isn't true right?

- Vegan Sidekick

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Finland-Skywalker's avatar
Finland-Skywalker|Hobbyist Filmographer
Do you want to force everyone to become vegan?
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Even if somebody did start talking to you about veganism, is it really "forcing" their opinion on you? To simply say "please consider not stabbing animals" is a very reasonable suggestion, is it not? Nobody is in a position to "force" you to do anything, if you want to keep stabbing animals, I am not in a position to prevent you. Indeed, from a non-vegans perspective, your opinion is that animals should be stabbed in the neck. To me, that is a far more forceful application of an opinion than simply asking someone to re-evaluate their position on something politely. So if you're really against forcing others to do as you please, it makes no sense for you to be non-vegan. Practice what you preach.
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Finland-Skywalker|Hobbyist Filmographer
I don't believe animals should be stabbed in the neck I never said that. Don't jump to conclusions. I was thinking that because you were talking about veganism like it shouldn't be a choice.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
You say that you don't believe that animals should be stabbed, but by consuming animal products, you literally pay people to stab animals on your behalf or kill them in other ways. You talk about non-veganism as if it is a personal choice. It cannot be called a personal choice when it involves harming a third party for a trivial reason, which is your desire to enjoy eating them / their secretions. If you truly believe in freedom of choice, then walk the talk by allowing your victims their choice to live, rather than forcing your choice on them by killing them. That's the whole point of this comic.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you vegan?
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respecttheyoshi's avatar
This is an argument used against abortion as well, the victim in that case being an unborn child.
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PupavegEdited |Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, it's especially hypocritical for "pro-life" people to consume animal products. Like, they're concerned about the killing of a fetus or a bunch of cells, but killing and torturing already born, sentient beings is "fine". A lot of dairy cows are also having their baby brutally cut out at the slaughterhouse (www.viva.org.uk/sites/default/… image might be graphic) while still alive and being slaughtered and dismembered, until they eventually bleed to death, while their unborn babies struggle on the floor because of the unnatural way the pregnancy was brutally interrupted, only to be either kicked to death or have their blood drained. Pro-life, my ass. Pro-convenient sounds more like it.
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Actually, I feel like it could go both ways. Particularly against pro-choice vegans, with the argument as follows: 

I do not understand how you can get worked up about chicken eggs while also supporting the murder of still-developing fetuses. Considering that both are yet-to-be-born, even if I do acknowledge the "fact" that humans are just another animal, clearly in your eyes we must have even less worth than the rest of the animals if you're willing to say that preventing a chicken embryo from developing is wrong, but aborting the life of a partially-developed human baby is a-ok.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
The problem vegans have is not with wether or not a chick is inside the egg though. You see, in the egg industry, only females are required because males don't lay eggs. As such, in the breeding process, the males and females are divided when they hatch, and the males are killed immediately as they serve no purpose. Subsequently, their sisters go on to be kept in captivity until their egg production is no longer profitable to the farmer, at which point they have their throats slit. This is generally at around one or two years old. The average lifespan of a chicken is eight years. These animals are genetically manipulated, artificially bred (by restraining the female animals while forcibly impregnating them) and then killed by the billions every single year, just for human greed and selfishness.

I'm pro-life, but I am consistent about wether or not it's ok to kill innocents needlessly. That's why I'm vegan.
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lyaksandra|Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The only reason for thinking an animal like a cow deserves you siding with it is that you're also an animal. Which is good to know, because there will never come a day when I listen to my cats for advice.

You're responsible for shouting to the four winds and people hearing you. Stop pretending otherwise. You're from the first world, aren't you? Where people have renounced making themselves responsible for WHAT THEY DO. Laughable and pathetic. Get a real job so you're tired and lack the time to think stupid useless things.
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PupavegEdited |Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why do you assume that people who speak out against animal abuse and the leading cause of environmental ills have no job? We do. Why do you assume that we all live in a 1st world country (probably such as yourself)? We don't. And yes, I am also an animal, and so are you. Humans are animals, this is a fact. So I'm not sure why you state the obvious. I find it a bit odd how you can translate "please don't exploit and kill animals and the planet" to "you're telling me to listen to my cat's advice". It sounds like you have a bad reading comprehension. So instead of telling people who actually make a difference in the world to "go get a job", maybe you should go back to school? Because what is truly "laughable and pathetic" (as you call it) is going to pages against animal abuse to argue in favour of animal abuse. So perhaps I'm not the one with too much time on my hands?
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HicEstBellum|Hobbyist Writer
Eating a cow in a bit. 😍😍
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I also have a comic for that one. ^_^

#633: Mmm, bacon (7) by Pupaveg
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Parasitic-King|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tell that to all the poor people thay are being enslaved and tormented to harvest your pretty vegan diet
Also some people like me are allergic or sensitive to plant proteins so

Also animals are delicious
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Poor people tho"
#627: Not everyone can go vegan by Pupaveg

Also, the majority of crops produced are fed to cattle, so if you are sincerely against slave labour (and not just pretending to for the sake of argument), it makes no sense for you to consume animal products.

"Taste tho".
Meat is often seen as just being a type of food. But it is a dead body, of a once living creature. To say "I just like the taste" is to say "Killing is justified if I like the flavour of the dead body". If we follow through with this, then somebody would be justified in killing your pets if they liked the taste, which surely nobody would agree with. Or even extend it to humans and say that if someone likes the taste of human flesh, then it's fine to murder people. Harming someone else for one's own pleasure is morally reprehensible, and any good person knows that.

There are over 80,000 different types of plants in the world. No one is allergic to all of them. Also, if you're allergic to certain plants like soy, corn, wheat or grains, better stop eating meat, because the animals it comes from receive it in their feed and you'll react.
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Parasitic-King|Hobbyist Digital Artist
You good
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Soldier667|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Finally, someone who sees people the way I do. I always get told there is no moral issue with killing animals because they don't have feelings.

Humans are assholes.

Beans have protein, eat 'em.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
It is incredibly ignorant to claim that humans are the only animals who have feelings. Not to mention quite stupid, too (sorry, I don't know how else to put it), because even a child can tell.
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Soldier667|Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's OK, I have problems with the Human race too.
It's rare for me to find someone who agrees with me.

Everyone knows animals react intelligently to their environment, and are aware and thinking.
I've heard all the same forms of lame excuses you have heard.

But... as you know, people will make up crap if it helps them sleep at night... or sleep off that hamburger.
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes. It's mostly cultural indoctrination why people react like this. But for some it is indeed selfishness. But as with all forms of oppression that was once condoned (and still is in some areas of the world), this greed and selfishness will eventually dissapear, when a culture evolves morally. After all, no form of systematic oppression will last forever.
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BubblesDraws|Hobbyist Digital Artist
How the fuck would you give animals a choice.
"Hey cow! Can I eat you?
Cow:
"Okay thanks!"
??????
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well obviously, all sentient beings want to live. So by not enslaving and killing anyone, you allow them their choice. That's just common sense.
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BubblesDraws|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ya ever heard of a suicidal cow? I sure have and you're talking to one
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Pupaveg|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't be suicidal. :( 
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