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ThatMarchingBunny Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Cute stuff as usual :3
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TheBabyBunch Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2018  Professional Writer
This is intended. This is not an "issue" with Picarto; it is intended behavior and the way it was designed from the beginning. This will *never* be "fixed" for good reason; most streamers prefer it this way or at least don't care (as seen by the reason Picarto implemented it and has kept it this way since they first introduced multistreaming).

The way that Picarto works, chats are merged into one room when chatting. If you had to have the consent of all streamers currently in the multi to ban someone, that removes the entire point of chat moderators. A person cannot be banned from one part of a multistream and not the others without removing the entire point of multistreaming, which is that channels and chats are merged so that viewers can participate in all of them at once easily.

Generally people are banned for good reason. In the off chance that isn't the case in these specific places, do you really want to go and watch the stream of the friend of someone who banned you unfairly? The "I commissioned them" excuse doesn't work; being banned from Picarto chat doesn't remove your ability to communicate with the artist in other ways. 

Usually when I hear accusations of someone being "ban happy," it's just that the person doesn't like the reason that they were banned. That doesn't mean they have a right to chat. You do *not* have a right to participate in someone's Picarto chat; it's a privilege that can be revoked temporarily or permanently by anyone authorized as a moderator or a co-streamer at any time for any reason, no matter how petty. That is what people are trusting someone with by making them a co-streamer; they're effectively making them a moderator of their chat. If you have an issue with a particular streamer, take it up with them; changing intentionally programmed behavior that is extremely valuable is not going to solve anything.

I personally would rather not stream at all with friends (or at least do so much less often) if this behavior was changed; this is *exactly* how it's supposed to work and for very good reason.

Note that I'm not addressing you specifically or any specific instance, just the issue in general.
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ThatMarchingBunny Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I am sorry, but even if it's intended, it's a very very bad feature.

"If you had to have the consent of all streamers currently in the multi to ban someone, that removes the entire point of chat moderators."
Then don't multistream if that is a concern.

"Generally people are banned for good reason."
Not in today's world, this isn't the case. People get banned simply for disagreements all the time. Much like what happened to me today.

"In the off chance that isn't the case in these specific places, do you really want to go and watch the stream of the friend of someone who banned you unfairly?"
So you are saying I shouldn't want to watch my friend because someone else banned me unfairly who is also their friend? Ya, I would still watch my friend because they are not the ones who banned me unfairly. I would much rather they stop mutlistreaming with the particular person who decided to do that. In plus, I work with this person quite constantly, and you know that. Meaning it makes perfect sense why I would need to be there.

But let's give you a scenario since you seem so sure of yourself. What if I ban you on Picarto and I start mutlistreaming with AdorableRabbit? Do you think that would be fair?

"Usually when I hear accusations of someone being "ban happy," it's just that the person doesn't like the reason that they were banned."
Sounds like a very likely excuse used by someone who is ban happy in order to make themselves feel better about doing it. Bans are meant to get rid of rule breakers, not people who you simply dislike or can't agree with. If you want to ban someone on your own stream, go for it. But banning someone when they don't even watch your stream and that causes that person to be banned on a stream they need to be on, and is good friends with the other person, then that is a serious problem.

"You do *not* have a right to participate in someone's Picarto chat; it's a privilege that can be revoked temporarily or permanently by anyone authorized as a moderator or a co-streamer at any time for any reason, no matter how petty."
Then maybe it's time we start making a list of people that shouldn't be multistreamed with who cannot control themselves.

"that is extremely valuable"
It's not extremely valuable because it has the issues I listed which make a situation worse, not better. You think AdorableRabbit was happy to have to deal with this crap today all because of someone who couldn't control themselves? You think he liked having one of his best friends banned from his stream? You think he likes being put in the middle of crap like this?
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PrincessPolly63 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2018  Student Digital Artist
While does make sence, seems rather iffy, esspecially if both streamers have mix feelings over one person. Like Streamer A likes this one person but Streamer B hated the same person and banned him. Actually sucks. Though I do have to respect the other streamer's list. Friend actually told me not to question anything and deal with it. But at the same time I can't help but feel sympothy

Though, what if a person's reason for a ban was legitamty unfair?
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TheBabyBunch Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2018  Professional Writer
If it was unfair, that's between them and the streamer(s). Like I said earlier, people don't have a *right* to chat; it's a privilege that is not guaranteed and is not protected by any rules or rights. If someone's banned unfairly, that's not an issue with how bans work, that's an issue with the person or people involved. I think you're getting the idea though.

EDIT: And to be clear, I do agree that it does suck if someone's banned unfairly. The solution isn't to remove someone's ability to ban though; the solution is for that person to be better educated or learn for themselves.
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ThatMarchingBunny Featured By Owner Edited Jan 16, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahh, I see. I do agree no one should ever lose the ability to ban.
But today this has created a big frustration for me, and I know AdorableRabbit, he doesn't like confrontation like this and I doubt he can even deal with it well.
If this creates a situation where he is going to have to pick between me or the other person, I think that is a very serious issue. I don't want him to ever be put in such a spot because of a dumb feature on a website.

Edit: Also, this ban was so random and surprising to me, because I have never had a problem with this particular person till our disagreement yesterday. I thought we were friends till today, clearly, that wasn't the case.
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Mathilda-Young123 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
Finally!
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ThatMarchingBunny Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
XD I take it you have known about this for some time. Thanks for the mention :3.
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