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GND 311 - It's Quiet Off-Page... by Pika-la-Cynique GND 311 - It's Quiet Off-Page... by Pika-la-Cynique
In which a casting for the Good Omens TV show affects this version of Crowley, and he ain't too happy about it; and it's been a while since we cut back to anyone else and Erik kinda envies Mr and Mrs Glittery Issues all their screen time! but then again maybe not.


(and why did no one tell me about the show Lucifer and that whole tall-dark-and-supernatural-snarky dealing with his "you have no power over me" love interest?! my kind of trash!!)



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This is a work of fanart and solely intended for shits and giggles. Not mine, not making money from it.

Phantom [Phantom of the Opera] (c) Leroux and Webber
Blind Mag [Repo! the Genetic Opera]  (c) Smith, Zdunich, and Bousman, Sarah Brightman
Crowley  [Good Omens] (c) Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
Toot [The Dresden Files] (c) Jim Butcher



Based on the original Roommates comic by *AsheRhyder
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:iconmizumi28:
Mizumi28 Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I absolutely love Lucifer, and I'm so excited for Good Omens! Have you watched American Gods by chance?
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:iconpika-la-cynique:
Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2018  Professional General Artist
Shadow has shown up in comic!
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AlterEgox5 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2018
NO ONE TOLD ME THAT ABOUT LUCIFER EITHER, WTF? *runs off to go watch*
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Katkelman Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2018
You just found out about Lucifer in December? Poor you!!!
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Chepseh Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2018
Is the deeper meaning that you struggle to find any more use for them ...?

BRILLIANT IDEA: How about a story arc where she learns everything about his murders! :la: And the blackmailing and the mind games of course! :popcorn:
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2018  Professional General Artist
Is it even buried that deep? :D

Hmm, I rather think it's implied Mag is up to speed on Erik's canon. Harking back to the disastrous sushi double date.... the factoid Erik was sweating bullets over Raoul revealing at the table was his *in-comic* lapse in kidnapping Sarah. And while that young lady frequently dragged Jareth over the coals for movie misdeeds, there is a vague sense that the Building dwellers are covered by a sort of blanket amnesty for canon villainy, when there are signs of progress since.
And part of what makes Phantomaggia for me is her being pretty blasé about psycho murderers....
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Chepseh Featured By Owner Edited Feb 2, 2018
"Is it even buried that deep?"

WOO-HOO, YASS FINALLY! Good riddance, creepy emo and whats-her-name-fill-the-girlfriend-gap! More space for JxS naughtiness!

Seriously, what drew me originally and mostly to this saga was the actual merging of Labyrinth and PotO ... so the part of me that loves PotO can't help but feel somewhat miffed that GND gradually became "Sarah next door". :invisible: Still staying, and Sarah's story is the reason...!


"Hmm, I rather think it's implied Mag is up to speed on Erik's canon."

*re-reading the part* Well, here you've got at least one dump reader who interpreted that panels wrongly. Maybe it's because English isn't my native language. Mag's speech bubble(s) and your "As far as Mag knows Raoul is just *bashing on old stories*." in the artist' comment made me think she "just" had basic "I used to be an a-hole and I bring some baggage" infos about Erik's past, but not the juicy details. Yes, now I get what your comment meant to convey.


"Harking back to the disastrous sushi double date.... the factoid Erik was sweating bullets over Raoul revealing at the table was his *in-comic* lapse in kidnapping Sarah."

And Erik's tantrums, his "tender musical kidnapping" of Christine, and his attempts to kill someone in-comic don't count, because those lapses were played for laughs...?
Erik: "Yeah sure, Mag is cool with my canon killings and stuff. Amnesty and progress. But DON'T YOU DARE mentioning the sh*t I did on GND, she would totally leave me for that!!" ... :cough:
Also - Raoul was allowed to learn the truth about his brainwashings, Chris was allowed to learn the truth about her brainwashing, but Mag needs to stay in the dark about kidnapping and Co. ?


"And part of what makes Phantomaggia for me is her being pretty blasé about psycho murderers...."
And I don't really ... get? this indifference of hers? Considering that her main canon function was to rebell against her psycho employer with the killer squad. I guess it's supposed to be ironically funny?
When Erik was put together with Mag in Roomies and GND I saw some comments stating "It fits because they have both that certain dark side". Watching Repo! then I expected Mag to be some sort of female Erik, but imho she's nothing like that in canon. At worst she was an enabler.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2018  Professional General Artist
(ah nuts, started to answer and computer hiccupped)

I... have called myself out a few times on Mr&Mrs Glittery Issues gettin' all the fanservice round these parts, haven't I?
I can make a few bad faith arguments about attempting to redress the balance of how much canon material there is between the franchises, and how the existence of Raoul and the original endings make for better narrative closure; but essentially, yah, though I have a deep lingering tenderness for my pre-teen PotO obsession and try to do right by the characters, my faves and source of fizzy fangirl glee are obvious.

Although I do posit, after that massive JS development Date mini-arc was done, that since that pagetime has been fairly even between Labyrinth and PotO casts - albeit with RC  which is not the majority phangirl drug of choice.


To address your other points:
Yep, "Erik's tantrums, his "tender musical kidnapping" of Christine, and his attempts to kill someone in-comic don't count" because they were essentially humourous characterization, what with the whole original "living with villains" premise (and yes, throwaway gags become awkward in hindsight sometimes). And maybe Mag wouldn't even be so upset at finding out about the kidnap kaper except.... well, that IS the idea of the "amnesty" notion, without getting as deep and meta as 'Roommates' about Story's puppeteering, and post-canon free will - that former villains in their stories are acknowledged as having been playing a necessary part, For Drama! - but they own their actions and choices in this post-canon setting. And in Erik's case, he regressed to antics he'd even backed down from/renounced in his original canon moment of redemption, extra bad marks.
Most of the cast is sympathetic and willing to let it slide due to extra stress after the RC breakup possibility, etc. (except Jareth of course) It probably *wouldn't* be a deal-breaker with Mag, only..... well, she's aware her protégée Shilo is good friends with the girls, she could feel a twinge of guilt/protectiveness by transferral - as you point out, her canon function is to rebel against her deal with the devil, but that is catalyzed by her discovering Shilo's existence and wanting to protect her from the entire bloody machination. Should she see any parallels to Shilo's situation in Sarah being threatened by Erik, it would ping badly. Although of course, she has her own uncharitable resentment of Christine, and acquired-from-Erik distaste of Jareth ergo somewhat of Sarah by association. I dislike the catty female jealousy tropes, but Mag's feelings about our heroines are pretty mixed.

I'm considering Mag's relation with Nathan as a good basis here - he had become a quasi split-personality sadistic murderer in his bereaved grief and drive to protect his daughter, which she seems fairly understanding of - although, true enough, everyone in that tragedy is being coerced and manipulated by Rotti. But it's less a case of shared "actively revelling in being shades of grey/morally corrupt" dark sides as it is her coming from a very dark canon, involving plenty of plastic surgery/facial horrors, murders of convenience/"necessity", dangerous mentorships, and her being - by choice - blind; meaning a lot of the immediate superficial squeamishness one could have in dealing with the Phantom is nullified and she isn't going to be distracted in her assessment of his character. Besides the meta irony of her being played by Sarah Brightman, at, I am given to understand, a far more polished state of her vocal achievements than her early career recordings of the original-cast PotO musical.... (which also adds to Christine's issues about Erik's rebound ship...).


... Please understand that I am enjoying the needling and engaging with arguments here, not trying to wall-of-text intimidate and dismiss your legit reader interpretation of pages and events.
(disclaimer 'cos I've dealt with such accusations before.)
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Chepseh Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2018
"... Please understand that I am enjoying the needling and engaging with arguments here, not trying to wall-of-text intimidate and dismiss your legit reader interpretation of pages and events."

Ah, the curse of the misinterpretations, it's everywhere. :doh:


"I... have called myself out a few times on Mr&Mrs Glittery Issues gettin' all the fanservice round these parts, haven't I? (...)"

And riiight here one of my many misinterpretations. ;) I always liked to see some "Oops, I did it again! Next time the others will get a little spotlight again. Maybe." in those messsages. But I guess an interpretation a la "Well, yeah, sorry but not sorry, this is how I roll." would be more correct.


"Although I do posit, after that massive JS development Date mini-arc was done, that since that pagetime has been fairly even between Labyrinth and PotO casts (...)"

Ok, yes, I noticed Christine and Raoul are more present right now. Ascounterbalanacetforthetwomainsmumblemumble.



Big Thank you for the elaborate depiction of your views on Mag's role etc. . Personally I am actually quite touched instead of intimidated by your long replies. Despite being an "actual" artist with actual projects you still take the laborious time when you could also easily just apply "Don't like don't read" or other easier answers. I wish I could respond to your summations with a "Ah, finally, now I get it, now I share your viewpoints".  I hope a "Ah, finally, now I get it" is also passable. :ashamed: And I spare us all from replying with another text wall of mine that would basically boil down to "But I see it like this but I see it like that bla bla personal reader interpretation bla bla your glass might be half full mine is clearly half empty".


PS: Oh, and I thiiink when I edit an answer -all- edits pop up in your inbox? If that is really so, I must have flooded your inbox last time a little, Sorry!!
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2018  Professional General Artist
Sometimes I feel it is a bit egotistical and frankly masturbatory to get into long involved discussions of my own work. On the other hand, they weren't my characters (nor even my premise) to begin with, so in a way it is just general fanwank/debate and discussing of headcanons....

.... There's a deliberate storytelling exercise that motivates me to continue GND, and there's also my own shits and giggles and fansquee reasons. So yeah, re imbalance issues, sorry/not sorry.

(don't worry, I'd only see the "live" edit notifications in the corner if I'm on dA while you're typing, the Notification center only shows me the final cut)
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Waifine Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is fantastic and I love it and it is so WONDERFUL that you have discovered Lucifer. 
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hawthorne-cat Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2018  Professional General Artist
THE LEFT SOCKS!!!!
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rcoots Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I had to go hunting for reference on this one. I had no heard of Lucifer. Nor Good Omens being a show now. Still hilarious!
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MollyTheWanderer Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay, Dresden reference! 
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ashley-f Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2018  Student General Artist
Do I see a Hamilton reference in the title? [Musical senses tingling...]
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2018  Professional General Artist
ayup!
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Owl-tree-artist Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2018  Professional General Artist
I heard David Bowie was the inspiration for 'Lucifer'. Maybe that's why this fanbase loves it extra-much ;) ...We just have damn good taste
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Tricari Featured By Owner Edited Dec 31, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Mm-hm, I'll take David Tennant in howsoever form he appears. Though I STILL think they missed a chance to get Mark Sheppard, too, somehow (heh). Er . . . focusing on the comic, I Love this "meanwhile, back at the ranch" behind the scenes look :) There can never be too much of the magical glitter couple <3, but I was beginning to wonder what everyone else was up to :)
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ashley-f Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2018  Student General Artist
AMEN!
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britterooski15 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017  Professional Filmographer
lol the "doctor" is finally ginger XD
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britterooski15 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017  Professional Filmographer
DAVID TENNENT IS CROWLEY?! <3

why am I just hearing about this show AAAHHHH
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britterooski15 Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2017  Professional Filmographer
OH MY GOD YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TV SHOW LUCIFER!?

GIRL DAT SHOW! 

it's totally your jam and tom ellis is EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! <3
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Igenlode Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Ah. This is one of those pages that makes a lot more sense once you get down to the author's note... (since I was completely unaware of both "Good Omens" TV show casting or the existence of a "Lucifer" series!)
I'd assumed "tall, dark and snarky" versus "androgynous blond" was a description of Crowley and Aziraphale... and red hair is one of those things that really doesn't come across in black and white (I never knew Rita Hayworth was supposed to be a redhead until I came across her Technicolour movies!).

I did get (and appreciate) the idea that Mag identifies people by their associated smell (sulphur and cologne :D) though. And feathers = Jareth in trouble.  'Outside the limelight' not entirely Erik's natural habitat, at least not when there is a sinister but shadowy reputation to cultivate...

And yes, Jareth being out in Sarah's company all the time certainly leaves his unfortunate room-mate with rather more privacy and space -- a happy Jareth probably equates to less sulking on the ceiling and variations in the local microclimate, as well!

Ah, the goblin war has kicked off ;)  (They seem to be wearing the left socks!) 
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readyplayerzero Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
I LOVE THE LUCIFER SHOW.

Also... yes. Yes. I am very, very iffy about Crowley's hair. Aziraphale is on POINT, but good golly Miss Molly. WHY, CROWLEY, WHY.
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How do you know which sock is the left one and which one is the right one? I've just always sort of made sure they matched and that's it before I put them on. Unless it has a very specific design. Seriously, have I been doing something wrong my whole life?

Just finished Dead Beat, by the way. And I still blame you for my now being hooked on Dresden.

Also, "The Wizard will pay in blood and left socks!" is totally going in my favorite quotes book.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2017  Professional General Artist
:D
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GhibliGirl91 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017
I was gonna say Chloe Decker deserves a fanfare as she parades herself straight into WIBSY.
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Silverfern500 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017
Lucifer is amazing and I'd love to see any of them make an appearance!
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LittleNjo Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2017  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Currently reading through The Dresden Files. "Reading" term being used loosely as I'm enjoying the James Marsters narration on audible.  

The reason I didn't say anything about Lucifer is because you're usually the one hinting new fandoms to me. I frankly thought you already knew about it.  I'd love to see a cameo, or maybe some interaction with the white queen.  

However, in that vein- You've seen Magicians right?  It's the wizard show we've needed.  Also, the movie "Bright" is the newest cult classic it's the fantasy movie no one knew was missing.  It's going to do for fantasy what Darwin's book did for science I hope.  Thats all I know about right now on the fantasy front.  
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Anafiel Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
omg lucifer and his one liners! that is one of my favorite shows!!!
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maraskywhiner Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2017
Eh, David Tennant will do it justice... It's weird, though, he's definitely not a natural ginger (much to the Doctor's dismay!), so someone had to work hard to make Crowley ginger. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for those conversations!

Happy holidays, and thanks for another update!
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LilliphineBlack Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2017  Hobbyist
Yay! More of the cuties! I love those two. Not that I'm hating on the others but hell I love them!
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LittleMrsMoffett Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Shouldn't have been too hard to lighten his hair as he seems to have quite a bit of auburn highlighting in his natural color. I've seen a picture and although I don't mind the ginger, I'm not a fan of David Tennant with long hair or Michael Sheen with blonde hair. Nevertheless, I love both actors and am very excited to see how this TV show will turn out. So much squee!
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Melliloquent Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Love the David Tennant casting, don't love the ginger, even though I love ginger hair in general. It just doesn't seem like Crowley? Who knows, maybe David will be able to sell it. But meh...
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Avalonia69 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2017
Curious if you've watched Dirk Gently's Detective Agency show (starring a former hobbit)?
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A-Parliament-Of-Owls Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I was wondering when the Good Omens adaption would come into play...
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SalmonPanther73 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
LUCIFER IS THE BEST SHOW!!! Just an idea, could you potentially bring in Miraculous Ladybug and Chat Noir? Something about pun-tastic flirty tall blondes... :)
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Melimoe Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017
This is amazing. I just spent 2 days reading from start to here. I can't wait until the next page comes out. 
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SpitfireFae Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017
Toot Toot! <3 And Lucifer is definatly a guilty pleasure of mine lately, I guess everyone just assumed you had already seen it.
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Mysteria95 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017  Hobbyist Filmographer
I apologize about Lucifer, I had also assumed you knew about it. If I had known you didn't know, I would have sent info on it your way a long time ago.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2017  Professional General Artist
Ah, I was exaggerating a little, I was aware of the series - because of the distant Gaiman/Sandman connection; I was just a little surprised my usual multi-fandom haunts weren't more full of gifs and squee, once I finally did catch a few eps.
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Juliana63 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017
I thought you knew about Lucifer!! Isn't it just delectable??
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GothicBlackAngel Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017  Hobbyist Writer
Toot! So I guess Jareth IS taking revenge on Dresden after all...
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2017  Professional General Artist
Orrr the goblins are freelancing revenge. Sarah did lead them right to Harry's door, they might be taking their own initiatives....
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Mystery-Immortal Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2017
OMG Toot ^__^ Lucifer is amazing
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Ceallai Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
OH RIGHT OF COURSE YOU WOULD LOVE LUCIFER. Please tell me we'll be seeing him in GND! :D :D Speaking of which, I completely forgot to check for new episodes this week, gotta go.
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maari-rose Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2017
All hail the 'Za Lord!
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Cranefolder Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2017
In regards to Lucy well... frankly we thought you knew 😕
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hoppytoad79 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2017
I'm not thrilled with Crowley as a ginger in the upcoming adaptation of Good Omens, but what can you do?  I think David Tennant will do a great job as Crowley.

Avoid the spotlight, you two.  The shadows are a wonderful place to be.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2017  Professional General Artist
It's an interesting characterization point for Erik. Cos, like, canonically - The Trapdoor Lover, lurking about the darkened wings as his protegée shines onstage, skulking around the murder basement killing intruders, hides face away, just wants to make his music, absolute introvert. But also: massive creative ego, demands for recognition, taste for puppeteering and control, flair for drama and, here, rivalry with Jareth....
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